VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[fatpussy123]

Reason why I said something like Mike/Ivy situation and not exactly and why Cindy having romantic interest in Ian would even matter here? As if people in love or serious relationships never cheat? She was in long term relationship with Wade yet it didn't stop her from cheating on him with Ian his best friend, so why would it stop her doing same to Ian with Axel?
Not to forget Axel is considered to be a master manipulator, so even if she doesn't intend to cheat, Axel can very well manipulate her and by looking at her conversation and response she gives when Lena warns her, Cindy doesn't seem very bright in that regard.

This isn't real life. It's a narrative. And in stories character motivations presented to the reader need to be coherently followed up on. It could be realistic for a character to be walking down the street and get hit by a car, ending that character and their route. It happens in real life right? But that would be unsatisfying to the reader.

In a similar vain just having one of Ian's love interest cheat on him with no way of preventing it and with no build up would be similarly bad writing and unsatisfying to the player.

The reason why Cindy cheats isn't as simple as "Cindy is always a cheater and it was inevitable". She cheats because of her growing frustrations with Wade that we see over the course of multiple chapters and because she feels there are things Wade does not provide for her, both sexually and in terms of how stagnant her life feels. There has been no indication she feels this way about Ian when their relationship is healthy. There are ways to make her unhappy, being rude in dialogues or sleeping around despite wanting her to break up with Wade, but in the healthy relationship there is no indication of unhappiness regarding Ian.

Yes even in happy relationships in real life people cheat, but in the story it would be random, inconsistent, and unsatisfying for people on the Cindy path playing a romantic route.

 

[fatpussy123]

What do you mean Cindy goes on dates with Ian?, the closest thing to a date would be the museum and that's before they enter into a romantic/sexual relationship. All the other scenes happen at their homes if I'm not misremembering. Also, Cindy doesn't show a clear romantic interest in Ian, that's the issue in that path, she's not being straight with him and thus the "You're playing with me" arguement. Although is true that she's more posessive of Ian than Mike of Lena.

And regarding Mike being upfront about being a fuckboy:

    l "If she was that important to you, you wouldn't be here tonight, don't you think?"
    $ fmike = "sad"
    mk "It's not like that..."
    l "I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that, it's just..."
    "I was frustrated, but didn't want to admit it to him."
    "Mike looked at me in silence for a second before sighing and sitting on the bed next to me."
    $ fmike = "n"
    mk "You probably think I do this all the time, but I don't. Not since I am with her..."
    mk "You're the only other girl I've slept with since I started dating her."
    "I wasn't sure how that made me feel."
    l "She must be pretty special."
    mk "She is. But so are you."
    mk "I mean... It's not like we've had that much time to get to know each other, but it's easy to see..."
    mk "There aren't many girls like you, Lena. You're off the charts in so many ways."
    $ flena = "smile"
    "Now, that was something I liked hearing."
    l "You really think so?"
    mk "I wouldn't be here otherwise, wouldn't I? You're the hottest girl I've ever met. You're not only hot, but you're also beautiful, and you have charm, too much, even."
    mk "And well, being noticed by a girl like you... I just couldn't say no to you, even if I wanted to."
    l "I'm glad you didn't... At first, I was afraid you'd ignore me, but I'm happy a guy like you noticed me, too."
    $ fmike = "smile"
    mk "There was no way I couldn't notice you, you know that. When I saw you with Louise, I thought she could be Jeremy's girlfriend, so I used her as an excuse to talk to you."
    l "Oh, so that's the real reason you said hi?"
    $ fmike = "happy"
    mk "Yeah, well... You won't blame me now, will you?"
    $ flena = "happy"
    l "Not at all."
    $ fmike = "smile"
    mk "So there you have it. If I had met you a year ago, well... Things might've been different, who knows."

Which we all know it was bullshit but it's not exactly like Lena's expectations come from nowhere and is all in her head. I'm not saying that Cindy and Mike paths are identical, but there are enough similarities to at least suspect "cheating"might also happen on Cindy's path no matter what.



Yes, but ass pic happens if Ian and Cindy are in a loving relationship and Ian chooses to trust her instead of calling her out. That's what makes things unclear about the meaning of the ass pic being the same in that case as in Ian just fucking Cindy casually. And also it's not impossible she would tell Axel not to post the pic but it happens all the same without being made public when it's not published.

I was using the term date loosely. I meant Ian and Cindy before ever having sex go to the museum together, go to the club and dance together, spend time talking about their issues, Cindy asks Ian to accompany her to her modelling, they actually have a built up chemistry.

Mike on the other hand meets Lena at the club once and ends up in her bed the same night. All subsequent scenes are them having a little dialogue before inevitably having sex.

Even in the dialogue you posted, it is praise from Mike, but it's so obviously bedroom talk/shallow flirting. Lena doesn't really know anything about Mike and hasn't spent time with him outside of her bedroom or at the club.

 

[Skylark21]

In a similar vain just having one of Ian's love interest cheat on him with no way of preventing it and with no build up would be similarly bad writing and unsatisfying to the player.

Reason why I brought up similarity between Ian/Cindy/Axel and /LenaMike/Ivy. Mike and Lena's relation might not be exact same but he's still a love interest for Lena with a proper romance route too and Lena isn't a NPC, she's a MC. so if Mike can fuck Ivy regardless of our choices in that route, why do you think Ian is going to be any special?
Anyways, tbh I don't care whether Cindy cheats on Ian or not, I mostly treat Ian as NPC in my playthrough, so no big deal for me. I just felt Cindy cheating with Axel is going to be one of those events in the game that happens regardless of our choices hence my comment.

 

[pokiehl]

Iris didn't have any indications of bi-curiosity, that I can recall, until asked to take part in a lesbian threesome in GGGB.

That said, Iris was, if anything, the character most steeped in porn-logic safe for Ash. So I'm not expecting something like that will be the same case with any female characters in ORS necessarily, but I don't think any lesbian pairings should just be dismissed as a whole just because the interactions haven't happened yet.

Something not having any build-up yet doesn't mean it cannot recieve build-up soon, we don't have to jump directly to "Cindy having her tongue wiggling around inside Lena" right away. There was nothing indicating Emma's romantic interest in Ian until it came this past chapter, though you could perhaps read her feminization content as being indicative of a desire for romance sprouting in her.

Lena and Cindy already had an argument at the party, whereas the first tried to warn about the dangers of getting involved with Axel, and they now share a relation with him. I can picture several options for a lesbian path becoming available from this setup, or at the very least a 3some. You can think of Axel disposing Cindy away, deceiving her with a promise of a top model career and then she goes to Lena and realizes she's been right all long, and they become close friends. Just a quick idea of how it can be managed by EK.

 

[ffive]

then she goes to Lena and realizes she's been right all long

Unfortunately the game doesn't store whether Lena has warned Cindy or been a complete bitch to her (in fact, warning Cindy causes a generic drop in their relationship level) so no, such scenario isn't going to exist outside of fanfiction.

 

[GokutheG]

Unfortunately the game doesn't store whether Lena has warned Cindy or been a complete bitch to her (in fact, warning Cindy causes a generic drop in their relationship level) so no, such scenario isn't going to exist outside of fanfiction.

I've thought about this and wouldn't be surprised if how high the Lena/Cindy value is what determines this. It starts at 3 which is the highest it can reach. If you're cordial with her and warn her the value just drops to 2. So I can see Eva using this to try and not spoil something with a named variable.

Or I'm just putting too much faith in Eva.

 

[fatpussy123]

Reason why I brought up similarity between Ian/Cindy/Axel and /LenaMike/Ivy. Mike and Lena's relation might not be exact same but he's still a love interest for Lena with a proper romance route too and Lena isn't a NPC, she's a MC. so if Mike can fuck Ivy regardless of our choices in that route, why do you think Ian is going to be any special?
Anyways, tbh I don't care whether Cindy cheats on Ian or not, I mostly treat Ian as NPC in my playthrough, so no big deal for me. I just felt Cindy cheating with Axel is going to be one of those events in the game that happens regardless of our choices hence my comment.

Why do I think Cindy won't cheat on Ian like Mike did?

Like I said, because Cindy actively displays interest in her relationship with Ian. She is unhappy when Ian sleeps around, she keeps trying to reassure Ian that she will dump Wade for him, she has a deeper relationship with Ian than Mike has with Lena.

Mike never committed to dumping his girlfriend for Lena, Mike does not have a deep relationship with Lena, Mike does not care about who Lena sleeps with.

With those differences in mind it would make as much sense to say Alison or Holly would cheat on Ian on the pure romantic paths, only because Mike did so on Lena's path. Even though the situation clearly have meaningful differences.

Cindy has displayed way too much affection for Ian than Mike ever showed for Lena. It might still happen, but if it does it would be pretty bad writing, whereas Mike situation was just consistent with his character.

 

[ffive]

I've thought about this and wouldn't be surprised if how high the Lena/Cindy value is what determines this. It starts at 3 which is the highest it can reach. If you're cordial with her and warn her the value just drops to 2. So I can see Eva using this to try and not spoil something with a named variable.

Or I'm just putting too much faith in Eva.

Unfortunately it can't really work this way, because there's more than one option which can drop relationship with Cindy. So the game can't determine if a single drop in relationship level is a result of a warning, or from Lena not warning Cindy but just being casually snippy towards her at some other point.

 

[MagicMan753]

Unfortunately it can't really work this way, because there's more than one option which can drop relationship with Cindy. So the game can't determine if a single drop in relationship level is a result of a warning, or from Lena not warning Cindy but just being casually snippy towards her at some other point.

Just because the variable is not there now. Doesn't mean he won't add in the future or some sort of choice to become friends on lena's side. Eva goes back and constantly adds things like adding mike to the dojo or changing stories of some characters like Stan, etc. So you can't say for sure that just because there is nothing now, doesn't mean there won't be in the future.

 

[BlandChili]

Unfortunately it can't really work this way, because there's more than one option which can drop relationship with Cindy. So the game can't determine if a single drop in relationship level is a result of a warning, or from Lena not warning Cindy but just being casually snippy towards her at some other point.

But the game could base a Lena/Cindy development on if there had been a drop in agenda, regardless of which point or how many drops there have been. Lena and Cindy have a starting agenda level, so the game can check if that value is still present.

 

[ffive]

But the game could base a Lena/Cindy development on if there had been a drop in agenda, regardless of which point or how many drops there have been. Lena and Cindy have a starting agenda level, so the game can check if that value is still present.

Yes, but since the drop of relationship can be either caused by Lena trying to be helpful or by Lena being an ass (or both) and the game has no way to determine which case it was, it would be difficult to produce relationship development which would make sense for all these potentially very different scenarios.

Just because the variable is not there now. Doesn't mean he won't add in the future or some sort of choice to become friends on lena's side. Eva goes back and constantly adds things like adding mike to the dojo or changing stories of some characters like Stan, etc. So you can't say for sure that just because there is nothing now, doesn't mean there won't be in the future.

Sure, but the variable not being there suggests that EK didn't consider that a plot point that would lead to any development between these two characters. Can it theoretically happen? Of course, just like theoretically Robert can have a training montage and become a chad who puts Axel to shame.

 

[Xupuzulla]

The more i read people defending Cindy the more i hope Axel tapping that ass is canon in every save.
Once a cheater,always a cheater,like that bitch Gillian.

 

[BlandChili]

Yes, but since the drop of relationship can be either caused by Lena trying to be helpful or by Lena being an ass (or both) and the game has no way to determine which case it was, it would be difficult to produce relationship development which would make sense for all these potentially very different scenarios.

Well, one way to use it would be for Cindy to cautiously approach Lena if their relationship hasn't taken a hit. Could start out with a simple genuine interaction and build it from there, so long as Cindy has retained her surface-level impression of Lena.

 

[Xeron_Xr]

great update

 

[fatpussy123]

BTW on the romantic Cindy path, if Ian tells Cindy he trusts her but then doesn't text her at the beach, she won't text Ian either. If Ian tells her she's playing with him, he won't have the option to text her and she will text him by default. More proof that on the "you're playing with me option" Cindy is more invested in the relationship.

If anyone still thinks Cindy cheats on Ian regardless of this option, then you're essentially saying EK programmed in all these variables, micro interactions, and different branches just to merge them back into the same route right after. Not only would it be bad writing, but it would also just be a massive waste of time for EK and the player.

 

[Gicoo]

So we have Lena/Cindy fanfic and the insistance that Axel fucks Cindy on every playthrough. Good to keep in mind when these topics will be brought up a dozen of pages later, they are not the first ones.

Is it confirmed that chapter 12 is over? Or is it possible that the following Lena section is part of it? It would be the first chapter that had almost exclusively one character. Its not so much that I dislike the Lena parts, it was just that they were given more attention in earlier chapters and I wanted a balance of both characters. If chapter 12 is over, then it was a one-sided Ian perspective, even though Lenas perspective on the trip is important, especially the Wade flirting and threesome, and some other relationships like Emma (what happend to the ass-grab?, Holly and even a Perry tease that was build upon.

 

[Ahnthipheres]

It is possible to have a relationship between ian, lena and holly? or at least a sexual one and that the three of them know it obviously. No cheating.

 

[akki_sky]

It is possible to have a relationship between ian, lena and holly? or at least a sexual one and that the three of them know it obviously. No cheating.

Yes

 

[fatpussy123]

It is possible to have a relationship between ian, lena and holly? or at least a sexual one and that the three of them know it obviously. No cheating.

Yes it is possible. Two main versions of the throuple exist

Ian fucks Lena -> Tells Jeremy he is falling for Lena -> Goes to the book event with Holly and kisses her (NO SEX) -> Lena forgives Ian -> Lena chooses all romantic options with Holly -> Ian and Lena become official -> Holly kisses Lena -> Holly confesses to Ian and Ian is ok with it -> profit

Ian fucks Lena -> DOES NOT tell Jeremy he is falling for Lena -> Goes to the book event with Holly and kisses her and has sex with her -> Ian tells Holly that he wants to continue their relationship -> Lena breaks it off with Ian -> Lena chooses all romantic options with Holly -> Ian and Holly begin seeing each other often -> Holly kisses Lena -> Holly confesses to Ian and Ian is ok with it -> profit

 

[Ravnen]

No sorry it is Lena but it’s going to be focused on a LI a lot of people are not a fan of so limited content/ content people are going to want to skip through. (At least to start maybe later in the chapter it will open up more)

Love interest, I mean all people have different love interests I should think. So Im guessing next chapter is going to be all about the realationship between Lena and Ian then, as thats kinda the most obvious?