VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Andrea9999]

I'm sure he's still the main villain. Seymour will "reveal his cards" at the right time.

I only played one route in this update.

Spoiler: I was taken aback by

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[ffive]

Why are you surprised that's the average woman's fantasy.

I mean it's not even specifically woman's fantasy. As if guys don't lap up all that power fantasy isekai drivel where they get randomly hit by a truck and wake up in new world, now all special and admired by everyone, with women dropping their panties at the mere sight of them.

 

[Maviarab]

I mean it's not even specifically woman's fantasy. As if guys don't lap up all that power fantasy isekai drivel where they get randomly hit by a truck and wake up in new world, now all special and admired by everyone, with women dropping their panties at the mere sight of them.

Wait....that's just a fantasy?

Fuck!

 

[Starscream76]

Seymour, Alex and Ivy and perhaps Jack who we saw are the antagonists of the story. remember that at the beginning it was Ivy who suggested that Lena do a photo shoot, I think. And as luck would have it Alex poses and he is a photographer and knows Seymour very well since we saw them when they were at the nightclub with Ian and Jeremy. the game offers a lot of routes and the route of lust and luxurious life must be one of them now knowing if lena will convince Emma difficult to say. I would say yes seeing Emma wobble and turn her jacket around where we see Seymour dominating her could be interesting. Anyway, that was my point of view.

 

[ffive]

Seymour, Alex and Ivy and perhaps Jack who we saw are the antagonists of the story. remember that at the beginning it was Ivy who suggested that Lena do a photo shoot, I think.

IIRC Seymour meets Lena at public photo exhibition. The photos were taken by one of Lena's friends, neither Axel nor Ivy had anything to do with it.

 

[Andrea9999]

IIRC Seymour meets Lena at public photo exhibition. The photos were taken by one of Lena's friends, neither Axel nor Ivy had anything to do with it.

It was the thin man who took the pictures. "Danny" perhaps?

 

[Oxymoron98]

Honestly this romantic turn is a bit hard to believe considering he has been set up to be this story's antagonist and possibly tries to blackmail Lena into the contract. Personally if this was the direction she wanted to take the route instead of being so antagonistic like I described he should have been trying to temp her with the good life harder instead. This could lead to the possible Emma "corruption" being more believable. The execution just seems really off. Unless this is just a ploy to have Lena lure Emma to him.

Still waiting for that Non-meat bag male character for lena. There is no non-shitty love route for Lena not including Ian. Maybe Robert? But he's a dick because he holds your job over you to date him. Name one positive male relationship in Lena's route. This must be how women feel watching Micheal Bay movies.

 

[Starscream76]

IIRC Seymour meets Lena at public photo exhibition. The photos were taken by one of Lena's friends, neither Axel nor Ivy had anything to do with it.

yes exact it's Danny and she meets Seymour at the exhibition. but then you have the choice to work for Seymour or not. I completely forgot about it lol.

 

[Takkatakka]

yes exact it's Danny and she meets Seymour at the exhibition. but then you have the choice to work for Seymour or not. I completely forgot about it lol.

Well...technically Seymour sees her the first time when Axel appears at the restaurant accompanying Seymour. I don't think that is ever referenced in the game, but he knew she worked there when he was taking her they during their first meeting.

Also of course Seymour is the one who block Lena from pretty much every other job and gets her fired from the Restaurant to pressure her to work for him (which is also never really referenced so far).

 

[oyoyo1]

Perhaps she is just trying to avoid the trope of "evil capitalist, does evil, for reasons..."

What do you mean for reasons? The reason is simple: for money/power.

Still waiting for that Non-meat bag male character for lena. There is no non-shitty love route for Lena not including Ian.

Maybe future Wade?

 

[SearingFive]

Well...technically Seymour sees her the first time when Axel appears at the restaurant accompanying Seymour. I don't think that is ever referenced in the game, but he knew she worked there when he was taking her they during their first meeting.

Also of course Seymour is the one who block Lena from pretty much every other job and gets her fired from the Restaurant to pressure her to work for him (which is also never really referenced so far).

It gets referenced by Lena later in the game. She remembers him being with Axel.

Seymour blocking her every job regardless of her being smitten with him is canon. It's just never brought to light if Lena accepts the contract, but on the other hand, if she refuses, all those things he did to her behind her back come to light.

 

[Starscream76]

I should try replaying the game refusing to work for Seymour and see what happens. It's true that for the moment all the paths I have taken I have each time agreed to work for him lol. The Seymour/Lena relationship reminds me of an old game Katie's Corruption, I don't know if most people know this game, I think so

 

[SearingFive]

I should try replaying the game refusing to work for Seymour and see what happens. It's true that for the moment all the paths I have taken I have each time agreed to work for him lol. The Seymour/Lena relationship reminds me of an old game Katie's Corruption, I don't know if most people know this game, I think so

Fun Fact - Eva was inspired by KC and made GGGB.

 

[BigAlzBub]

What do you mean for reasons? The reason is simple: for money/power.

Money and power are means, not ends.
A character might want to acquire money so they can lord it over a hated foe, or explore unknown regions no one has ever been to, or to have the greatest collection of <whatever>.

A character might want to acquire power so nobody can ever hurt them again, or because they think they understand things better than anyone else, and only they can guide a group/nation/humanity through clashing rocks.

All too often antagonists in fiction are left with cloudy motivation and generally only exist to provide the protagonist someone to fight and ultimately defeat. I find this shallow and ultimately unfulfilling, I don't just want to know what the antagonist wants to do, to me I want to know WHY they are doing it. I appreciate that not everyone cares about this, c'est la vie.

 

[Xupuzulla]

The problem is that some of us expected something more..."exciting" for the first time they have sex,instead we got a very vanilla scene where all of the sudden Seymour is a weak simp.
The payout was bad for the build up EK did for years.
People are defending her saying "MAYBE IS ALL TO LURE EMMA!" but thats a trash ass plot line and not what people wanted

 

[oyoyo1]

Money and power are means, not ends.
A character might want to acquire money so they can lord it over a hated foe, or explore unknown regions no one has ever been to, or to have the greatest collection of <whatever>.

A character might want to acquire power so nobody can ever hurt them again, or because they think they understand things better than anyone else, and only they can guide a group/nation/humanity through clashing rocks.

All too often antagonists in fiction are left with cloudy motivation and generally only exist to provide the protagonist someone to fight and ultimately defeat. I find this shallow and ultimately unfulfilling, I don't just want to know what the antagonist wants to do, to me I want to know WHY they are doing it. I appreciate that not everyone cares about this, c'est la vie.

I'd argue power can be an end by itself. A character could simply pursue it for ego or the ability to bend others to their will without being able to say no.

IMO this trope of moral grey area for antagonists is overdone lately. Some stories are made worse for the sake of the villain having a sympathetic backstory. I think it's fine to just let your bad guys be bad guys sometimes.

With a character like Seymour though, I can see some people expecting a machiavellian 5D chess reason for being the way he is... so fair enough. He certainly talks a big game. Personally I don't mind him pursuing power for the sake of power.

 

[mommysboiii]

as far as i know she sends that picture only if you dont make a move on her first and jeremy is the first one who banged her. idk about the non performing part.

Damm thats disappointing

 

[BigAlzBub]

I'd argue power can be an end by itself. A character could simply pursue it for ego or the ability to bend others to their will without being able to say no.

IMO this trope of moral grey area for antagonists is overdone lately. Some stories are made worse for the sake of the villain having a sympathetic backstory. I think it's fine to just let your bad guys be bad guys sometimes.

With a character like Seymour though, I can see some people expecting a machiavellian 5D chess reason for being the way he is... so fair enough. He certainly talks a big game. Personally I don't mind him pursuing power for the sake of power.

These are not examples of power for it's own sake, in your first example it is because it grants them the warm and fuzzy feeling of people fawning over you, and in the later it is having people kowtow to you. You probably can't drill down into their motivations any further, as at some point the answer just becomes, because it makes (figuratively speaking) areas of brain light up, and the wiring of the brain is just something which is super mysterious to us right now.

It also doesn't have to lead to morally grey antagonists. Just because group X shat on the antagonist from a great height when they were growing up, doesn't justify whatever terrible things that the antagonist does to them when the roles are reversed. You can understand someone's motivations and still think they are a massive piece of shit.

I do agree that Seymour is looking less and less likely to be the master chess player, but who knows?

 

[Nifferman]

These are not examples of power for it's own sake, in your first example it is because it grants them the warm and fuzzy feeling of people fawning over you, and in the later it is having people kowtow to you. You probably can't drill down into their motivations any further, as at some point the answer just becomes, because it make (figuratively speaking) areas of brain light up, and the wiring of the brain is just something which is super mysterious to us right now.

It also doesn't have to lead to morally grey antagonists. Just because group X shat on the antagonist from a great height when they were growing up, doesn't justify whatever terrible things that the antagonist does to them when the roles are reversed. You can understand someone's motivations and still think they are a massive piece of shit.

I do agree that Seymour is looking less and less likely to be the master chess player, but who knows?

True, I'm more excited about Author than for Seymour now after the new update.

 

[Starscream76]

As said, it is a question of choice to make. Lena feels attracted to Seymour after seeing what Eva has planned but I think there will be several arcs with the different characters like in GGGB