VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[DeemLeem12]

Seymour is morally really bad only on the antagonise him from the start paths. His current portrayal is consistent with the Seymour on the Lena and Seymour have a good relationship paths.

You are argueing with meta knowledge here, since we can see Seymour (or other characters) at their worst if we play enough paths. But that is futile here since the various paths represent different universes. On the paths were Lena and Seymour have a good relationship, Seymour is not a blackmailer. Unless it was reworked during an update, if Lena and Seymour are close, he proposes his exclusive contract before(!) doing any blacklisting.

Besides, I never said Seymour is fully good or so, as your argumentation assumes. I argue that the Seymour on the paths where Lena and him have a good relationship is not an evil bastard. He is still im- or amoral in his choices, but he has growth potential and is nicer than many think. As I said, play some path variants where you can learn more about him.

Nevertheless Seymour is, as said, mostly im- or amoral in his choices. Going by his favourtie philosopher I would say amoral. and this is a part of him for good. Even if Lena and friends can nudge Seymour to become a better person, part of him will stay amoral. And a Lena in a close relationship with him will undoubtedly be influenced by this towards a morally more grey stance. The couple smart points Lena can get is for seeing this and if she wants to stay a "pure" do-gooder.

Seymour is evil. The blackmail was the last straw for Seymour. He blacklisted Lena in all her jobs, from modeling, restaurant server, and sex work online so that Lena would be financially isolated and would be forced to work for him. If Lena still refused to work with Seymour, that is when the blackmail happens where Seymour reveals it was him who blacklisted Lena. If you consider those actions as "amoral" then I would suggest reflecting your moral system.

 

[IDoAThing]

Stan is done with lena and louise's shit and bashes their brains in with a bat that also happens to named lucille

 

[Ray_D]

Famous rapper Sean Combs, known by nickname P. Diddy, spoke out in support of Seymour Ward.
"A wonderful man, investor, businessman and philanthropist. I don't know why people spread lies and rumors about him, they just want to look morally superior.
We have a great relationship and he was often my guest at my parties, and his trips to Little Saint James island were purely for business. He is a law-abiding citizen, and 1000 bottles of baby oil were simply a gift to show our long friendship," - Diddy said.

homies 4 life man.

 

[Allan Trumbull]

How to get the male Mc - female mc - female character threesom scenes if it is available ??

 

[Kilkafka]

Seymour is evil. The blackmail was the last straw for Seymour. He blacklisted Lena in all her jobs, from modeling, restaurant server, and sex work online so that Lena would be financially isolated and would be forced to work for him. If Lena still refused to work with Seymour, that is when the blackmail happens where Seymour reveals it was him who blacklisted Lena. If you consider those actions as "amoral" then I would suggest reflecting your moral system.

Couldn't agree more.

Yes, the game allows Lena to have a smart, business-like relationship with Seymour, kudos to eva for pulling that off, but the fact that he actively sabotages her career, no matter how good their relationship is proves that he is an evil, selfish man who just has to get what he wants, no matter whose life he destroys.

Having said all that, it is also quite interesting to see how far Lena can leverage his offer and move up in the world without being "trapped" by him. Like the contract scene where, if you're smart enough, you can add that extra clause.

In that regard, I think Seymour's route is one of the more engaging ones for a "Neutral" Lena. In a very "can you con the con-man" way.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I saw someone comparing Axel with Seymour like fuck off with that bullshit
Axel is actually a good villain,look how much despair he creates to Cindy fanboys with his actions.
Also he knows how Lena likes it,not like that simp Seymour who needs toys like a bitch.

 

[varpep]

Okay I'll say my two piece about Seymour. Is Seymour evil? Well from what I've seen, no. Still doesn't stop him from being the main antagonist for the Game though. Based on his actions, philosophy and values, he fits the alignment of a chaotic neutral.
Which is to say that he values freedom and individuality above all else. Even if his freedom deprives others of their own and oppresses them. He believes he should be above the law and everyone should have his same perspective on things. Now I would still argue that he is indeed a bad person even if he may not perceive himself to be one. He is very selfish in his way of doing things and this includes blacklisting Lena in order to entice her to enter a contract with him and ultimately be with him. When he tells Ian about why he blacklisted Lena and he says he merely did it to "motivate" her, I don't believe he was lying. He genuinely did not see what he did as a bad thing.

Now I believe Turret may have some confusion with the whole universal continuity thing. Like fatpussy123 and Gicoo have said, a lot of things are constant in every ORS universe and that includes Seymour blackballing Lena. Just because Ian and Lena are not privy to his foul play does not suddenly change Seymour's character. Yes he comes of as nicer but this just means Lena and Ian are ignorant about who he really is. But I don't agree with using certain tags in the game to say a character is a certain way. Lena and Ian also have "evil" tags for their expressions. Some examples are when Lena doms Louise for the first time and Ian doms Minerva in the hotel. An evil tag is used for their expressions. Does this then mean Lena and Ian are evil? I think not.

Axel though is a different story. But that is another discussion for another time.

 

[Lord Bradley]

How to get the male Mc - female mc - female character threesom scenes if it is available ??

Make sure Ian has good relationship with Lena, and Lena has good relationship with Louise. You can have Ian/Lena/Louise threesome.

You can also have Ian/Lena/Holly threesome and actual relationship, but it's a bit complicated to get so look up a guide for that.

Can a Seymour route enjoyer tell me what implications it has regarding Holly/Allison please? I heard talks of that, but I hate this route too much to pay serious attention to it. Thanks for any info!

 

[SerHawkes]

What in the utter fuck did I step into here? A discussion on Geymour and his bland as fuck villain ways, that EK tries her ever so hardest to prop up as the best "written" character and whatever amalgamation of bullshit???

We have dismissed this claim.

 

[fatpussy123]

Axel is actually a good villain,look how much despair he creates to Cindy fanboys with his actions.

This is true. We Cindy fans stay up at night at the thought of all the dreadful things Axel is getting up to with Cindy on that boat.

 

[MagicMan753]

This is true. We Cindy fans stay up at night at the thought of all the dreadful things Axel is getting up to with Cindy on that boat.

Nah, the true Cindy fans have full trust and belief in our queen. So I sleep soundly at night knowing she did not do anything wrong.

 

[Gicoo]

So I sleep soundly at night knowing she did not do anything wrong.

So did Wade.

 

[notstaged]

I want to be the architect of your orgasm

Sy, a true master of Brosnian corruption, lures Lena in with luxurious gifts and prospects, while she's totally unaware of the vile things that await her at the end of this tunnel, a never ending supply of chicken nuggets and sugary drinks to plump her up, to mold her into a perfect Dunhamesque aberration, all the while Sy is making keikaku faces inside his thousand monitor room, spinning around in his chair. Roll credits.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Okay I'll say my two piece about Seymour. Is Seymour evil? Well from what I've seen, no. Still doesn't stop him from being the main antagonist for the Game though. Based on his actions, philosophy and values, he fits the alignment of a chaotic neutral.
Which is to say that he values freedom and individuality above all else. Even if his freedom deprives others of their own and oppresses them. He believes he should be above the law and everyone should have his same perspective on things. Now I would still argue that he is indeed a bad person even if he may not perceive himself to be one. He is very selfish in his way of doing things and this includes blacklisting Lena in order to entice her to enter a contract with him and ultimately be with him. When he tells Ian about why he blacklisted Lena and he says he merely did it to "motivate" her, I don't believe he was lying. He genuinely did not see what he did as a bad thing.

Now I believe Turret may have some confusion with the whole universal continuity thing. Like fatpussy123 and Gicoo have said, a lot of things are constant in every ORS universe and that includes Seymour blackballing Lena. Just because Ian and Lena are not privy to his foul play does not suddenly change Seymour's character. Yes he comes of as nicer but this just means Lena and Ian are ignorant about who he really is. But I don't agree with using certain tags in the game to say a character is a certain way. Lena and Ian also have "evil" tags for their expressions. Some examples are when Lena doms Louise for the first time and Ian doms Minerva in the hotel. An evil tag is used for their expressions. Does this then mean Lena and Ian are evil? I think not.

Axel though is a different story. But that is another discussion for another time.

If anything, you just reinforces Seymour's initial character card: a big baddie with a twisted mind. Obviously we can't just take coding flags as raw evidence, but they fit snugly with his actions and mindset before this update.

Is Seymour evil?
Is you ask him that, no.
If you ask other characters with relatively normal moral compass that, yes.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

“I want to be the architect of your orgasm”. Man, shut the hell up Seymour! Can't pump harder, so he then proceeds to masks his inadequacy with these lines. Future cuck in the making. I'll jump out of the window if Robert is the one who cucks Seymour.

Reminds me of Ethan from GGGB, though that guy takes pleasure in making people fall into depravity, then discards them like trash when it's no longer "fun".

 

[SearingFive]

Reminds me of Ethan from GGGB, though that guy takes pleasure in making people fall into depravity, then discards them like trash when it's no longer "fun".

Didn't Arthur say to Lena that Seymour actually cycled a lot of girls before her?

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Didn't Arthur say to Lena that Seymour actually cycled a lot of girls before her?

If true, that doesn't necessarily mean Seymour love making young girls do crazy shit for the sake of it like Ethan. I haven't bothered with Seymour's route at all (Lena completely rejects his offer in my playthroughs), so I could be very wrong here.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Famous rapper Sean Combs, known by nickname P. Diddy, spoke out in support of Seymour Ward.
"A wonderful man, investor, businessman and philanthropist. I don't know why people spread lies and rumors about him, they just want to look morally superior.
We have a great relationship and he was often my guest at my parties, and his trips to Little Saint James island were purely for business. He is a law-abiding citizen, and 1000 bottles of baby oil were simply a gift to show our long friendship," - Diddy said.

This Diddy guy knows the real good guy Seymour.
Well done Diddy.

 

[Socrambus]

Seymour's philosophy is nihilistic and based on his (probably pathological) narcissism. Although he claims that everyone should adopt his way of looking at things and is their own fault that they are weak losers, that would imply that Emma (or another person disatisfied with his behaviour) should shoot him dead and it wouldn't be an evil act because there is no good or evil, just society imposing its judeo-christian morality. Of course, that doesn't occur to him because he's the superior being.

 

[fatpussy123]

Seymour's philosophy is nihilistic and based on his (probably pathological) narcissism. Although he claims that everyone should adopt his way of looking at things and is their own fault that they are weak losers, that would imply that Emma (or another person disatisfied with his behaviour) should shoot him dead and it wouldn't be an evil act because there is no good or evil, just society imposing its judeo-christian morality. Of course, that doesn't occur to him because he's the superior being.

That will be the conclusion to his character. Gunned down by Emma in the streets. Why does that feel topical?