Turret

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You know that EK changed more than once stuff in the game around when she saw the need. Seymour 2021 might have been so, but going by the flow of several paths plus the new update, I doubt that the character card of Seymour 2024 looks alike.

Seymour is evil. The blackmail was the last straw for Seymour. He blacklisted Lena in all her jobs, from modeling, restaurant server, and sex work online so that Lena would be financially isolated and would be forced to work for him. If Lena still refused to work with Seymour, that is when the blackmail happens where Seymour reveals it was him who blacklisted Lena. If you consider those actions as "amoral" then I would suggest reflecting your moral system.
Spoken like either an a)idealist, b) activist or c) a guy with a board before the head. Since you simply state the Seymour is evil, no evidence, it is just your opinion you try to sell as universal. I know discussion today often boils down to such shenigans, especially in this thread, but you know what blows this "agrgument" of yours out of the water?
There are paths where the blacklisting has zero impact, does not come up at all or does not happen. In these game universes Seymour is nicer than in others.
As for morals, I am a cynic since I have been around for a while and I have seen some things I would have liked not to. Additionally, morals are also varied around the world and stretchable. So please no more attempted moral grandstanding and showing off limited life experience.

I know ther is a faction of players who will neverlike/accept several game characters and attempt to spread hate. If you really believe Seymour to be evil, you simply show that to quote Bachmann turner Overdrive "You ain´t seen nothing yet". Seymour is not a good guy, but he is also not evil.
 
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Turret

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Seymour is a person without morals who got where he is by doing what is necessary, these people have goals and see women like Lena as an object that he has to take ownership of, if he doesn't achieve it, that's when we see his most toxic and dangerous version of him threatening the people Lena works with, we still haven't seen the full extent of the damage he can cause, besides what experience are you talking about baby to say what you said, I work with people like him and they don't care about the consequences, only the results :whistle: :unsure:
Poor sod if you have to work with people like Seymours really bad version, somthing you definitely do not need! But like some other poster in the thread you also argue with his bad versions only. I was talking about the paths where Seymour is less bad and consistent with the mellower Seymour from the update.
It is rather obvious that EK is making several paths where Seymour is not really the big antagonist anymore, I would not be surprised if on those paths characters like Axel, Billy, Artur are becoming the main opposition.
 
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Does anyone know a way to cheat Ian with Axel and Jack? Whenever I get to the club part I can't go with Jack but I can with Axel
 
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Does anyone know a way to cheat Ian with Axel and Jack? Whenever I get to the club part I can't go with Jack but I can with Axel
Axel has a higher priority than Jack. So to fuck Jack, either don't let Lena get involved with Axel or interrupt their route:
Have Axel fuck Lena in chapter 9, but afterwards in chapter 10 and 11, use the worst options on him and don't have Lena relax or masturbate to relapse (let her play music). At the club, she can avoid fucking Axel and either be loyal to Ian or cheat on him with Jack (requires high lust). In chapter 12, chose the best options towards Axel and he and Lena will resume fucking.
 

CaiWez

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Axel has a higher priority than Jack. So to fuck Jack, either don't let Lena get involved with Axel or interrupt their route:
Have Axel fuck Lena in chapter 9, but afterwards in chapter 10 and 11, use the worst options on him and don't have Lena relax or masturbate to relapse (let her play music). At the club, she can avoid fucking Axel and either be loyal to Ian or cheat on him with Jack (requires high lust). In chapter 12, chose the best options towards Axel and he and Lena will resume fucking.
Can you though? In my playthrough even when Lena chose those options in chapter 10 and 11, she doesn't get to fuck Jack because Axel shows up at the club anyways. She can reject Axel at the club but can't accept Jack offer to cheat.
 
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Would be interesting to see Emma get influenced by Lena on Ian Cuck route and trying to get something similar with Perry. They could both then share tips & tricks on how to keep their providers hooked. There would even be room for Holly to join them with Stan as provider. I need new proper update before I get too lost in this depravity...... :oops:
 

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There are paths where the blacklisting has zero impact, does not come up at all or does not happen. In these game universes Seymour is nicer than in others.
Blacklisting is canon and it happens regardless of Lena's stance towards Seymour, the phone call she makes to the gallery and Danny before visiting Emma for the practice. There is zero impact if she signs the contract. It's the blackmailing part that does not come up if she willingly signs. So yes, Seymour is sneaky if Lena signs the contract and on the other hand he is upfront about it if she refuses.
 
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Can you though? In my playthrough even when Lena chose those options in chapter 10 and 11, she doesn't get to fuck Jack because Axel shows up at the club anyways. She can reject Axel at the club but can't accept Jack offer to cheat.
Can someone confirm this?
 

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There are paths where the blacklisting has zero impact, does not come up at all or does not happen. In these game universes Seymour is nicer than in others.
Lena losing access to her modeling gigs due to Seymour's interference always happens, always comes up and it certainly has impact on her ability to make a living. Seymour is the same scheming dipshit in all game universes, sorry. I'm not sure why you're so keen to bat for him here to the point where you'd basically ignore even the author's description of that character.
 

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I'm not sure why you're so keen to bat for him here to the point where you're basically ignore even the author's description of that character.
Because this is someone who is convinced that Sophia in PC is the perfect intellectual equal to PC's Edwin and that their romance will be one for the ages.

Otherwise...utterly deluded and obviously plays very different VN's to the rest of us.
 
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Because this is someone who is convinced that Sophia in PC is the perfect intellectual equal to PC's Edwin and that their romance will be one for the ages.
I mean, at the end of the day i could understand getting blinded by Sophia's, ahem, assets. But Seymour. :hidethepain:

Like, there was someone a few months back here who was claiming that Robert was actually pretty good romantic option for Lena and seemed ready to die on that hill. This feels like a rerun or smth.
 

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Can you though? In my playthrough even when Lena chose those options in chapter 10 and 11, she doesn't get to fuck Jack because Axel shows up at the club anyways. She can reject Axel at the club but can't accept Jack offer to cheat.
Okay, if you want Lena to cheat on Ian with Axel and Jack in the same playthrough with both of them, thats probably out. Axels event pushes Jacks event away. Would clash too much plotwise to have Lena accept two alphas.
 
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Lena losing access to her modeling gigs due to Seymour's interference always happens, always comes up and it certainly has impact on her ability to make a living. Seymour is the same scheming dipshit in all game universes, sorry. I'm not sure why you're so keen to bat for him here to the point where you'd basically ignore even the author's description of that character.
It never made much sense to me that Seymour blacklists Lena no matter her response and attitude. I'm guessing it was to reduce early branching and to clearly establish Seymour as an asshole a nemesis/corruptive influence. And it clearly worked for most of us, even if Seymour's latest update is weird.
 
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