VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

Option to break up or slap Lena's butt blue

There's also option to turn their relationship into open one, where they can sleep with other people.

 

[Gicoo]

I would like to hear from you guys what you think about Ivy as character, especially in relation to the story ark with Holly as girlfriend/member of the girlfriend group with Ivy and Lena.
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It seems Ivy – much like Jessica in GGB – is convinced that all men in this world want and value in women is their bodies and sex. And yet, her idea of "living life to the fullest" seems to be having casual sex with lots of guys (nowhere in the associated dialogues does the subject if the girl in question even wants to have sex with guys appear), becoming "hot" by mainstream heterosexual standards and making money by selling said hotness to men. Holly in contrast is described by Ivy as having a "miserable existence" or something similar, and the way to make her confident includes her losing weight (which is kinda problematic seeing as she's already very slim to begin with), make herself hot to men and having sex with hot guys to become "more confident".

I like nasty story-driven VN sex as much as probably any of you, but these things still continue to irk me a bit. Somebody could teach Holly that in the 21st century, one can be a nerdy book-geek woman, make money without sex work and can still explore your sexuality.

Ivy and Holly are just on both opposite sides of the spectrum. Ivy is entirely fallen to cynicsm, you get sexual liberation and success by maxing out your potential, every other man and woman is as selfish and sexdriven as you are (if not they are just fooling themselves) vs Hollys idealistic naive imagination of romance, you will end up with your true love through sheer will and fate by being yourself.

There were a few hints that Ivy is very sensible about being slut-shamed:
Her first big crush left his girlfriend for her and spurned girlfriend tricked her into babyplay and humiliated her by releasing those kink videos to the public. So Ivy learned 1. she is hotter and has to compete with jealous colleagues over men, 2. that men value hotness to an extent to sacrifice principles for it and it must be explored, and 3. that emotional intimacy will be used against you, so you have to toughen yourself up and avoid it.
Very easily shown in why she despises Louise and why she hesitates fucking Jeremy.

So she doubles down on slut-shaming and avoids emotional intimacy, making her ironically as frail and immature as Louise at times, she just hides it well better and benefits from being in the writers grace. Because just like GGGB Jessica, Ivy is a projection of what EvaKiss perceives to be the ultimate tough independent sexual free spirited women, who needs no men but due to their pride end up very likely ends up miserable and alone, unless you get a Ashley/Dave figure in their life to handle them. This has partly to do with her role in the narrative: As the mentor and not heroine, Ivy/Jessica are supposed to encourage and guide Bad Jess/Slut Lena, but not overtake them and ultimately be surpassed by them. Hence Ashley can succeeed being a porn star and Jessica didn't, hence Lena could score with Jack and will flourish and Ivy didn't and won't.

Either Eva doesn't know how to give Ivy a proper resolution, so she stays being that allegedly super slut that barely fucks anyone despite their reputation - or they will give Ivy one once she is finally getting in a relationship with Ian, Lena or someone else like Billy or Jeremy. The main flaw that explains this contradiction is that she barely got any development for 12 chapters. Jeremy and Ian got interested in her in chapter 1 and haven't fucked her, yet. The single male fuck she had was off-screen. Either because of writing issues in general or more specific the prevalent narrative rule that Ivy musn't have naughtier content than Lena, else the latters development is undermined.

TLDR: Ivy is doomed.

 

[fatpussy123]

Ivy and Holly are just on both opposite sides of the spectrum. Ivy is entirely fallen to cynicsm, you get sexual liberation and success by maxing out your potential, every other man and woman is as selfish and sexdriven as you are (if not they are just fooling themselves) vs Hollys idealistic naive imagination of romance, you will end up with your true love through sheer will and fate by being yourself.

There were a few hints that Ivy is very sensible about being slut-shamed:
Her first big crush left his girlfriend for her and spurned girlfriend tricked her into babyplay and humiliated her by releasing those kink videos to the public. So Ivy learned 1. she is hotter and has to compete with jealous colleagues over men, 2. that men value hotness to an extent to sacrifice principles for it and it must be explored, and 3. that emotional intimacy will be used against you, so you have to toughen yourself up and avoid it.
Very easily shown in why she despises Louise and why she hesitates fucking Jeremy.

So she doubles down on slut-shaming and avoids emotional intimacy, making her ironically as frail and immature as Louise at times, she just hides it well better and benefits from being in the writers grace. Because just like GGGB Jessica, Ivy is a projection of what EvaKiss perceives to be the ultimate tough independent sexual free spirited women, who needs no men but due to their pride end up very likely ends up miserable and alone, unless you get a Ashley/Dave figure in their life to handle them. This has partly to do with her role in the narrative: As the mentor and not heroine, Ivy/Jessica are supposed to encourage and guide Bad Jess/Slut Lena, but not overtake them and ultimately be surpassed by them. Hence Ashley can succeeed being a porn star and Jessica didn't, hence Lena could score with Jack and will flourish and Ivy didn't and won't.

Either Eva doesn't know how to give Ivy a proper resolution, so she stays being that allegedly super slut that barely fucks anyone despite their reputation - or they will give Ivy one once she is finally getting in a relationship with Ian, Lena or someone else like Billy or Jeremy. The main flaw that explains this contradiction is that she barely got any development for 12 chapters. Jeremy and Ian got interested in her in chapter 1 and haven't fucked her, yet. The single male fuck she had was off-screen. Either because of writing issues in general or more specific the prevalent narrative rule that Ivy musn't have naughtier content than Lena, else the latters development is undermined.

TLDR: Ivy is doomed.

Very interesting that Ivy and Holly are representing the two far ends of the spectrum of nihilism and idealism. Ivy can influence Holly to be more like herself, but is it possible that the reverse will also be true? In a twist of fate Holly will be the one to change Ivy?

Ivy tries to influence Holly by putting her through the ringer of casual fucks: Mark, Robert, Clark, Lena, Ivy, maybe Marcel later, and lastly Ian. If Holly's optimism is true and there is light at the end of the tunnel, then Ian will come to love Holly even on her slut path, obviously the choice will actually be made by the player. Ivy will have to reckon with her nihilistic world view being something imposed on herself and not accurate to reality. On the other hand what if Ian rejected Holly at the beach or fucked her casually and later doesn't reciprocate the feeling that slut Holly is clearly holding onto? Then Ivy's worldview will be validated and Holly will be dragged down to the same nihilistic hole Ivy is in.

 

[Gicoo]

As much as I want nun Ivy, cooking for Ian in a dress and undyed hair, there is no indication for it. With Lena and Ian, it is a very physical, competition focused relationship that is explicitly casual and non committed. Its even worse with Billy, Mike and Jeremy, who are even more shallow.

I imagine the best we get is to convince her of a normal faithful relationship.

 

[tanrgith]

What's the requirements to get the
- Lena/Holly route
- Lena/Louise route
- Ian/Minerva route

 

[Gicoo]

What's the requirements to get the
- Lena/Holly route
- Lena/Louise route
- Ian/Minerva route

1. Just be nice to Holly, fantasize about her. Its more important to not mingle with others and not get Ian and Holly together. Also don't need to encourage Holly to visit Ivys lessons. Lena can lose Holly if she isn't commiting to her and pushing her towards Ivy too much, though its hard to screw that up. Overall very easy, if anything you can screw this up by fucking several other characters, so that neither Lena or Holly commit to each other.
2. Tell Louise about Jeremy and don't pursue Mike. Louise makes a move on her and Lena can just reciprotate. Don't focus on Mike and especially Jeremy, his route changes Lenas and Louise relationship too much.
3. Switch reviews or write honest review, visit the office when Seymour is around (charisma), blackmail Minerva (have high charisma or wit).

 

[NewSeal]

whenever I visit this thread it feels less of a porn game one and more of a philosophical meetings about emotions, love, heartbreak, cheating, experiences

Well tbh the game is supposed to play more like a visual novel/dating sim than just a fuckfest. And all the characters in it deal with all those things you mentioned so it makes sense that it reflects on the players' discussions.
and also going months at a time without an update will do that to you

 

[Cervixpunch]

Louise deserves better,Evakiss should cut all Ivy planned content and focus only on Louise

This feels like kicking a starving puppy when it's already down .

The dev made the most promiscuous and kinky woman unavailable to the male MC for the majority of a VN something I don't think I've ever seen one do before. Robert fans are eating better than them. At this point I'm pretty sure Ivy simps are Eva Kiss' unofficial stress ball.

 

[Xupuzulla]

This feels like kicking a starving puppy when it's already down .

The dev made the most promiscuous and kinky woman unavailable to the male MC for the majority of a VN something I don't think I've ever seen one do before. Robert fans are eating better than them. At this point I'm pretty sure Ivy simps are Eva Kiss' unofficial stress ball.

Some of the EK decisions in this game make no sense.
Is funny because when i started posting in this thread people were defending "Evakiss vision" all the time

 

[varpep]

Some of the EK decisions in this game make no sense.
Is funny because when i started posting in this thread people were defending "Evakiss vision" all the time

Xuzu has been a hater since day one Respect

 

[TheBigWater]

Do I remember correctly that we are aiming for release this month?

 

[Nifferman]

Axel used to be me one or 2 decades ago
a perfect sculpted ideal of what women should want
but an injured soul that is slowly rotting away
i can see it on his emotional instability
and willingness to resort to violence by the mere mention of her!
he will eventually grow out of it,
but Lena will be 38 years old on the best of times and situations
since only time can mend a broken heart!

 

[dolfe67]

This feels like kicking a starving puppy when it's already down .

The dev made the most promiscuous and kinky woman unavailable to the male MC for the majority of a VN something I don't think I've ever seen one do before. Robert fans are eating better than them. At this point I'm pretty sure Ivy simps are Eva Kiss' unofficial stress ball.

Believe it or not, but lots of players don't like promiscuous women in their porn game

 

[Xupuzulla]

Xuzu has been a hater since day one Respect

Im not a hater,is just funny to me when people want to defend EK so bad when is obvious some of the decisions in this 4 years are questionable....

Believe it or not, but lots of players don't like promiscuous women in their porn game

Inst Ivy popular with patreons?
I doubt EK cares if people here dont like her,still weird how she barely has straight content

 

[Geigi]

Believe it or not, but lots of players don't like promiscuous women in their porn game

Maybe, but they do love to play as one.

 

[Canelo_92]

Ivy and Holly are just on both opposite sides of the spectrum. Ivy is entirely fallen to cynicsm, you get sexual liberation and success by maxing out your potential, every other man and woman is as selfish and sexdriven as you are (if not they are just fooling themselves) vs Hollys idealistic naive imagination of romance, you will end up with your true love through sheer will and fate by being yourself.

There were a few hints that Ivy is very sensible about being slut-shamed:
Her first big crush left his girlfriend for her and spurned girlfriend tricked her into babyplay and humiliated her by releasing those kink videos to the public. So Ivy learned 1. she is hotter and has to compete with jealous colleagues over men, 2. that men value hotness to an extent to sacrifice principles for it and it must be explored, and 3. that emotional intimacy will be used against you, so you have to toughen yourself up and avoid it.
Very easily shown in why she despises Louise and why she hesitates fucking Jeremy.

So she doubles down on slut-shaming and avoids emotional intimacy, making her ironically as frail and immature as Louise at times, she just hides it well better and benefits from being in the writers grace. Because just like GGGB Jessica, Ivy is a projection of what EvaKiss perceives to be the ultimate tough independent sexual free spirited women, who needs no men but due to their pride end up very likely ends up miserable and alone, unless you get a Ashley/Dave figure in their life to handle them. This has partly to do with her role in the narrative: As the mentor and not heroine, Ivy/Jessica are supposed to encourage and guide Bad Jess/Slut Lena, but not overtake them and ultimately be surpassed by them. Hence Ashley can succeeed being a porn star and Jessica didn't, hence Lena could score with Jack and will flourish and Ivy didn't and won't.

Either Eva doesn't know how to give Ivy a proper resolution, so she stays being that allegedly super slut that barely fucks anyone despite their reputation - or they will give Ivy one once she is finally getting in a relationship with Ian, Lena or someone else like Billy or Jeremy. The main flaw that explains this contradiction is that she barely got any development for 12 chapters. Jeremy and Ian got interested in her in chapter 1 and haven't fucked her, yet. The single male fuck she had was off-screen. Either because of writing issues in general or more specific the prevalent narrative rule that Ivy musn't have naughtier content than Lena, else the latters development is undermined.

TLDR: Ivy is doomed.

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

 

[GokutheG]

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

Yeah it's obvious that the dev's main target are straight guys. You can really see that fact in how lacking in weight the gay content is compared to straight.

Allison does bring up the fact that the pill makes her ill when talking to Ian about why he needs to wear a condom.

 

[Geigi]

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

This has already been discussed over. The only way women can play porn games aimed at them is having more women developers(writers and artists). Unfortunately, when I talk about this on reddit community, not many are interested in discussing this. Either they play only AAA games with romantic content or otome games with erotic content. There's barely interest in porn games. They prefer more books, fanfictions etc. over games. Then again, you have female players here who don't mind playing these games so there's that.

 

[Socrambus]

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

Slut Holly is not the same as Ivy, she's just a puppet Ivy directs in that direction for her own amusement. Ivy is in control of her sexuality and successfully weaponizes it to get money though OF and pole dancing (she's shown to be doing pretty well financially) and to manipulate others (men and women) to advance her agenda. Although she fails with Axel and we'll see how Billy's thing ends up. But she's a predator (or tries to be), not a victim.

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

I mean, thinking that having to wear a condom sucks is a legitimate thought. Behaving like an asshole and being loud about it is optional.

 

[Xupuzulla]

You're absolutely right in that Ivy is shaped by cynicism towards love and the idea of romantic relationships with a true connection. And while I can see the appeal to the male (or even female) player in watching a super sexual character like Ivy and the evolution of Holly into the same direction, it's a bit eerie to see that their path still shapes them into women who look and behave how many heterosexual men want them to (in the case of Holly even sucking off Mark, whom she barely knows, and getting photographed while doing so, with just a little nudging, and in the case of Ivy, making money through men and the male gaze). I wonder if this is due to the creator having deliberately tailored the game's plotlines for the male, hetero target group which typically plays VN's, or also because of their own inherent biases towards women and sexuality. I like the game a lot so far, but it sometimes left me a saddened 'cause it's almost as if the game wants to show us "It's still a man's world, even though women now have equal rights, on paper."

I had the same thought with how the game often has Ian say and think he's so unhappy with having to wear a condom when having sex with Allison, independent of what the player makes him do. I kinda wanted Allison to jump in at one point and say "I'm not on the pill, and taking the pill is significantly more medically invasive than you putting on a rubber for a couple of minutes. You want to fuck me, so do you wanna risk a pregnancy?"

Her patreons must be like 95% straight men,she has no reason to cater to anyone but the people who give her money.