VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

That still seems pretty vague to me, as it could be interpreted literally, 'only have new sex while both of us are present' (which Lena almost certainly breaks to be able to offer up Louise), or figuratively, 'you can experiment, but we are together, ie. primary partners.'

If you think this sounded vague because you can torture out a different "figurative" meaning if you pretend you don't know what words mean and just shuffle them around to produce something completely different, then i don't know what to tell you. You do you, i guess?



And yes, Lena does break that deal if she has what's effectively affair with Louise. In fact, she explicitly wonders about whether that's breaking the deal and if she's cheating (but ultimately concludes that hopefully not, because "its with a girl so it doesn't count". Which is porn bullshit, but that's another story)

Every time someone else starts to refer to them as an exclusive couple, they always respond with "no, it's not like that", indicating they are not. So any excuse which states they are, it just bullshit.

Can you provide any example when this happens? I don't really remember Lena or Ian who get in relationship to claim they aren't, or anyone really talking about exclusivity of their pairing.

 

[dolfe67]

You want Ian, Lena and Holly in a throuple? The easiest way to do so is have the three of them not sleep with anybody else.

They can't even sleep with each other (at least Ian and Holly if you want the throuple)

The writing is good but some decisions suck, and their logic is... subjective to the dev. I guess it's also to avoid too many intertwined paths

 

[Gicoo]

They can't even sleep with each other (at least Ian and Holly if you want the throuple)

They can. Lena may break up with Ian if he goes for Holly, but if she herself makes moves on Holly, they may later rejoin.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Ah, the innocence of youth...

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[Night Hacker]

To remind you of what i originally stated:

Every time someone else starts to refer to them as an exclusive couple, they always respond with "no, it's not like that", indicating they are not. So any excuse which states they are, it just bullshit.

Can you provide any example when this happens? I don't really remember Lena or Ian who get in relationship to claim they aren't, or anyone really talking about exclusivity of their pairing.

Yuppers! I wasn't going to search, as that would be A LOT to search through, but I tried some random chapters, searching through the source code then, once I narrowed down the chapter, I searched my saved games for a spot close to that, and knowing the line number in the code to search for and using my own mod which shows me the line number, I was, thankfully, able to quickly track down the scene where Ian says that (and Lena has said similar, but I am not searching for that right now)...

 

[19Castiel23]

I hope we can see new scenes with Cindy soon

 

[ffive]

Yuppers! I wasn't going to search, as that would be A LOT to search through, but I tried some random chapters, searching through the source code then, once I narrowed down the chapter, I searched my saved games for a spot close to that, and knowing the line number in the code to search for and using my own mod which shows me the line number, I was, thankfully, able to quickly track down the scene where Ian says that (and Lena has said similar, but I am not searching for that right now)...

Thank you very much for looking it up. But having seen it, i kind of have bad news...

i've looked that scene in the script, and this is how this particular text is used:

    elif ian_lena_dating:
        h "So, about you and Lena..."
        h "Is it correct to call you a couple?"
        i "What? No, it's not like that..."
        i "I mean, we're dating, but we're not a couple. We're just..."

you get this one only when Lena and Ian are friends with benefits, i.e. they indeed aren't a couple. When Lena and Ian are in committed relationship, this scene plays as follows:

    if ian_lena_couple:
        h "So... Lena told me about you two..."
        i "She did?"
        h "Yeah... I'm happy for you. I think you make for a great couple..."
        i "Thanks, Holly. We agreed to take things step by step, though..."
        i "I guess not much has changed between Lena and me. I just wanted to be open about my feelings for her."

In other words, on the path where Lena/Ian are an actual couple there's no denial that they're indeed one. Consequently, the expectation to only "experiment together" in such arrangement isn't in any way bullshit, like you originally claimed. On the couple route both Ian and Lena expect their partner to be faithful and don't sleep with other people without getting them also involved. The game supports this approach on mechanics level, tracking instances of sleeping around as cheating, which can eventually cause the relationship to fall apart.

 

[Sherka]

Emma, the real GOAT of this game

 

[Hungover00]

Speaking of Emma, is there any other on ramp for her, other than the night at Blazer that Alison is also at?

 

[phr1510]

Thank you very much for looking it up. But having seen it, i kind of have bad news...

i've looked that scene in the script, and this is how this particular text is used:

    elif ian_lena_dating:
        h "So, about you and Lena..."
        h "Is it correct to call you a couple?"
        i "What? No, it's not like that..."
        i "I mean, we're dating, but we're not a couple. We're just..."

you get this one only when Lena and Ian are friends with benefits, i.e. they indeed aren't a couple. When Lena and Ian are in committed relationship, this scene plays as follows:

    if ian_lena_couple:
        h "So... Lena told me about you two..."
        i "She did?"
        h "Yeah... I'm happy for you. I think you make for a great couple..."
        i "Thanks, Holly. We agreed to take things step by step, though..."
        i "I guess not much has changed between Lena and me. I just wanted to be open about my feelings for her."

In other words, on the path where Lena/Ian are an actual couple there's no denial that they're indeed one. Consequently, the expectation to only "experiment together" in such arrangement isn't in any way bullshit, like you originally claimed. On the couple route both Ian and Lena expect their partner to be faithful and don't sleep with other people without getting them also involved. The game supports this approach on mechanics level, tracking instances of sleeping around as cheating, which can eventually cause the relationship to fall apart.

how can you look into script, pls tell me, ill do my own inside walkthrough.

 

[varpep]

Speaking of Emma, is there any other on ramp for her, other than the night at Blazer that Alison is also at?

Unfortunately not Hermano. Alison always seems to get in the way of you fucking other women. What a nuisance

 

[ffive]

how can you look into script, pls tell me, ill do my own inside walkthrough.

You can use UnRen tool to unpack the game archives, then view the .rpy files --which contain the game script-- in any text editor.

 

[Blurpee69]

too complicated game if u don't use the guide lol

It's really not? Like it's supposed to be played through multiple times, and generally the first playthrough is intended for however you're feeling.

 

[Gicoo]

if u are dating a girl u will pissed the others lol

It's not a harem game. So its not too complicated, just not to your expectations.

 

[Ray_D]

Emma, the real GOAT of this game View attachment 4531456

Indeed.

 

[ffive]

It's not a harem game. So its not too complicated, just not to your expectations.

"It's not a harem game" is already too complicated for some.

 

[Hungover00]

She suggests a coffee date with Ian right after they met again and confirmed being with her boyfriend. Coffee date is a nice trap anyways, Axel also used this term to Lena. And she added him on instagram with her new account having only pictures of herself alone, with her boyfriend missing. She dumped Ian, girl is used being several steps ahead of whoever currently her boyfriend is.

Is Gillian reverse monkey-branching? Or would it be monkey-branching in reverse?

 

[Hungover00]

Don't forget about Holly. She also tries to see if Ian is interested in starting a relationship with someone. She's also the one to initiate things with Ian if he accepts her invitation to the book fair.

It's very odd that Holly gives up on Ian noticing her if he doesn't come to the book fair. Like that one conflicted event weekend was the be all or end all of their relationship and if he sticks to his previous commitment there's no chance for her.

Like, yes, people can be that up in their own heads and creating narratives, but I'm not sure if that was on purpose for Holly, or accidental?

 

[Hungover00]

Is Gillian reverse monkey-branching? Or would it be monkey-branching in reverse?

Would be very suitable if she is dating Mark, and Lena and/or Ivy are fucking him. Notices the branch she's on is unstable, so she tries to get back to solid ground (4 years of Ian).

I do worry that any possible Gillian plot is going to be undercooked. We're almost at chapter 14, and she's background and/or foreshadowing. And since many paths cut her out completely, trying to shoehorn her in will be a lot of dev time for little results, imo.

 

[ffive]

It's very odd that Holly gives up on Ian noticing her if he doesn't come to the book fair. Like that one conflicted event weekend was the be all or end all of their relationship and if he sticks to his previous commitment there's no chance for her.

I mean, Holly goes way out of her comfort zone to try and invite Ian, so if he turns her down i can definitely see her being dejected about it and going like, "what was i even thinking, of course he wouldn't go with someone like me", and then effectively giving up unless Lena and/or Ivy give her confidence boost down the road.