VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Geigi]

Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.

The first time I played the game, that scene made me uncomfortable and it's the reason I dropped the game.

 

[CreativeCritic2]

In her defense. EK never really wanted to touch Jasmine as they weren't comfortable doing a trans character in the first place. It was a capitulation to their patrons, and I would have to imagine that most of those TERF tropes came from them and not necessarily EK. EK has said they won't be doing trans characters again.

Hmm... possibly. I haven't even been on the Discord so I don't know what Eva was told about Jasmine but Jasmine behaves more like a figment of conservative fever dreams than something out of porn.

 

[CreativeCritic2]

That whole drug dealing mamacita route was cringe as fuck, too imo. I don´t remember the details, only played GGGB well after it was completed but there was talk, this Jasmine character got added in late. A high tier patron basically throwing money at Eva to do it? If true it might explain that one, to a degree at least.

I agree with everything you said... I am glad that Jasmine got a shot at redemption and I think her character was complicated and made more nuanced by the GGGB DLC.

The drug-dealing stuff was indeed super-cringe and out of pocket... I'm pretty sure that they don't put you in charge of a gang because you let the entire game run a train on you.

 

[Blurpee69]

Hmm... possibly. I haven't even been on the Discord so I don't know what Eva was told about Jasmine but Jasmine behaves more like a figment of conservative fever dreams than something out of porn.

I agree with you entirely. I didn't say it was a strong defense, just that EK has discussed that it wasn't something they were particularly comfortable doing in the first place.

I don't really like Jasmine's character either for most of the game. The love ending is nice, but we as players have to wade through a lot of uncomfortable situations with Jasmine to get to that.

 

[Gicoo]

IDK about y'all, but I find it amusing that only Ian calls Lena out about her infidelity, trust breaking etc., and not the other way around! Especially when both my MCs are fucking everything that moves in FWB path.

Like I get that wee can see Ian's inner thoughts about the matter, with him acknowledging to be no angel either. Therefore, there has to be repercussions that go both ways. Otherwise it feels like a double standard to me.

Does it make any sense to y'all?

Lena can ask about Cindy and can break up with him.
Ian can also cheat on Lena with Alison, Minerva, Bad Jess, and potentially Louise and Ivy. Its likely that Lena can discover this and likely breaks up with him. Or Ian can hide it well or he can decide to break up with her because he is a cheater and feels guilty.

 

[Eleanorduval]

sorry to annoy u again with my question. If i readed well the game walkthrough

If ian are in couple with lena,alison will break up with him no? I remember in one my old save he is in love/couple with lena

 

[Socrambus]

I think part of the reason here is that GGGB has female protagonist, while most of the futa femdom games you mention have male MC on the receiving end of their behavior. So these changes allow Jasmine to approach and interact with Ashley... with all the unfortunate baggage that comes with it.

I've got similarly negative reaction to how Jasmine was presented in GGGB, but i don't think this was entirely intentional. Not that it really helps.

You are right, but almost every character in the game is negatively portrayed, Dave and Eric being kind of the only exceptions. The game is almost nothing but stereotypes and racial fetishization.

 

[Geigi]

So, if Eva add any sexual scene or a route with Ed, what would you like to see more? What kind of a dynamic between him and Lena could be interesting?

 

[Gicoo]

sorry to annoy u again with my question. If i readed well the game walkthrough

If ian are in couple with lena,alison will break up with him no?

He will break up with Alison in chapter 10 automatically.
He can cheat on Lena with Alison starting in chapter 11. Alison seems fine with being his sidething on that route.

So, if Eva add Ed's any scene with him or a route, what would you like to see? What kind of a dynamic between them could be interesting?

Mostly a logical continuation of what was already implemented and removed. Ed is interested in her model career and his artistic talent is shown, possibly by paintig her. It can be a typical work affair akin to Ian-Minerva, them fucking behind their customers and Mollys/Arnolds eyes. Another weird take would be Mollys infertility and Lena willing to jump in, but frankly, they seem to old to start having children know. Molly can also die and Lena can comfort Ed.

 

[ffive]

So, if Eva add any sexual scene or a route with Ed, what would you like to see more? What kind of a dynamic between him and Lena could be interesting?

srsly, pls no. One creepy old dude (and now also Arthur) is more than enough.

 

[Eleanorduval]

He will break up with Alison in chapter 10 automatically.
He can cheat on Lena with Alison starting in chapter 11. Alison seems fine with being his sidething on that route.


Mostly a logical continuation of what was already implemented and removed. Ed is interested in her model career and his artistic talent is shown, possibly by paintig her. It can be a typical work affair akin to Ian-Minerva, them fucking behind their customers and Mollys/Arnolds eyes. Another weird take would be Mollys infertility and Lena willing to jump in, but frankly, they seem to old to start having children know. Molly can also die and Lena can comfort Ed.

if i understand u well,i have to let alison have her fun with jeremy before in 1st chapter.Only after in chapt 11 that ian will be able to have fun with her?

i kinda don't like letting jeremy have his fun with alison lol

 

[Hungover00]

A) We knew that Mark has had threesomes with two women, or MMF, from GGGB. Ash and Eva can join him and Jacob, or him and Jacob can fuck Eva together if Ash refuses. So his response isn't too surprising.

B) I think Robert's response is much better, because it highlights how bitchy Lena is being with this question. Which I really want Holly to emulate as another step of her transformation.

I honestly did not recall/recognise he was one of those two guys from GGGB. Heh.

 

[Hungover00]

Probably, but it's subjective. In my opinion, the ideal thing is for Ian (if you're into Holly Trinity) to help Wade not give up on Cindy, and for that to influence their relationship in future episodes.

Fair and true. A reasonable break for them is the best option.

I kind of prefer Cherry for Perry rather than Emma, but probably not for Holly Trinity. Best that Cherry doesn't enter the inner circle for that one.

 

[yuvce]

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srsly, pls no. One creepy old dude (and now also Arthur) is more than enough.

One is still too much. 0 is enough.

 

[mommysboiii]

so I am the only one that thinks jasmine was hot as fuck?

 

[BlandChili]

so I am the only one that thinks jasmine was hot as fuck?

Who knows. I guess you should post that question in the GGGB thread instead of here.

 

[JKING92]

Lena can ask about Cindy and can break up with him.
Ian can also cheat on Lena with Alison, Minerva, Bad Jess, and potentially Louise and Ivy. Its likely that Lena can discover this and likely breaks up with him. Or Ian can hide it well or he can decide to break up with her because he is a cheater and feels guilty.

Ok. But I still feel like in Ian's case it's far more easy to be a discreet cheater, whereas with Lena you have to go way over your head to prevent any "evidence" (ch. 11 at Blazer)

 

[mommysboiii]

So, if Eva add any sexual scene or a route with Ed, what would you like to see more? What kind of a dynamic between him and Lena could be interesting?

sterotypical arthur pervert

 

[Gicoo]

Ok. But I still feel like in Ian's case it's far more easy to be a discreet cheater, whereas with Lena you have to go way over your head to prevent any "evidence" (ch. 11 at Blazer)

If he cheats Lena with Cindy, Perry is on him (also Jeremy and Ivy if they fuck in the open). With Minerva, Robert may tell Lena. With Alison, Perry can also suspect him and possibly later tell Lena.

I imagine Lena will also know if he cheats on her with Louise or Ivy, unless these two decide to be really stealthy about messing with Lena.

 

[SearingFive]

If he cheats Lena with Cindy, Perry is on him (also Jeremy and Ivy if they fuck in the open). With Minerva, Robert may tell Lena. With Alison, Perry can also suspect him and possibly later tell Lena.

I imagine Lena will also know if he cheats on her with Louise or Ivy, unless these two decide to be really stealthy about messing with Lena.

Ivy's such a blabbermouth she'll gloat and tell Lena if she successfully steals Ian from her. Louise is a psycho she'll create a big drama in front of everyone if Ian gets on her wrong side while two-timing her.