VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[BlandChili]

The bigger problem is the lack of content for defying Seymour. Going against Seymour isn't just a "eww, old man, hard pass" choice, its supposed to be a whole statement about how Lena won't sell out and then Seymour showing his true colors trying to fuck with her life and then...she doesn't really do anything?

Considering we got a Lena x Emma scene, couldn't that have been tied into a larger event where Lena starts getting involved with Emma's political activism or helping out in that old movie theater they are repurposing? We also still have that whole Charles the bum silver bullet against Seymour, I know EK is probably saving it for a larger event but I wouldn't have minded seeing that side of the plot developed some more if Lena is opposing Seymour.

Yes and it could even tie in to how Ian and Lena influence Emma's style. Eva kinda jumped the gun already with that, but I thought it could have been fun if there could have been a background cooperative, or alternatively tug-of-war, influence set where Lena and Ian could each pull Emma towards the feminine and hot spectrum, or keep her comfy with her own style.

That's of course window-dressing, you are right that there's the whole political drama that Emma should ideally have independent content to, which would work fantastically in contrast with the Seymour route. Would have been fun if Lena could use her musical talents there, Emma is bound to know more alt-culture and pop-culture types, they often are involved with socio and enviromental political places. A free concert or two to entertain the hopeless, get Lena going as a musical brand in the indie scene.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

To be completely honest I get the feeling Eva is struggling with how to structure Lena's story material outside of Seymour.

The way Ian randomly got a major update after Lena barely had any story progression after the beach house, thrown in right when Lena was actually going to go do something that wasn't optional. But also how her StalkFap content barely progressed in terms of perversion, and how a lot of time seems to pass between new events such as this Mike thing and whatever independent modelling efforts she might get to attempt. Add to that, that recently things at the cafe develop more in regards to Perry instead of Lena, a detail Ian influences rather than her, and there isn't a lot left for her besides litteral sex to fill out content with.

I feel like Lena got too many "paths" for story progression between modeling, music, Stalkfap, Dubai toiletry and whatnot so it's hard to close in on any of em since there's too much branching. It gets overwhelming to write for so many case scenarios I assume.

Ian is relatively straightforward in comparison so each story update is pretty meaningful.

 

[BlandChili]

I feel like Lena got too many "paths" for story progression between modeling, music, Stalkfap, Dubai toiletry and whatnot so it's hard to close in on any of em since there's too much branching. It gets overwhelming to write for so many case scenarios I assume.

Ian is relatively straightforward in comparison so each story update is pretty meaningful.

I think the real problem is that it's a mish-mash of mostly "do or do not" paths. Lena can choose to entirely neglect Stalkfap for example and her options with Seymour, Billy and Mike are all structured as "would you like to" instead of one being a mutually exclusive option to another. Seymour and Billy could have easilly been mutually exclusive in the same way Ian pursuing Cindy or Holly is, instead of just being left openly available. The issue with allowing the player to do nothing is that, that then means you have a position 0 you need to develop on from as well as the various optional paths.

For example I think pursuing a more pornographic version of StalkFap and attempting to establish a professional modelling career independently should be mutually exclusive. Nothing much really happens with it if you don't choose to do explicit content. I think the other photographer dude besides Danny for example should have contacted Lena independently if you chose to not do explicit content for StalkFap and then let Lena structure her modelling portfolio from there. The difference between the two routes would be different sexual kinks and quicker cash for explicit StalkFap and a longer-term gain of similar value for non explicit StalkFap.
Perhaps Eva still has time to do that if she wants to, but so far choosing not to do explicit content doesn't really promise anything since Lena doesn't really work actively on her portfolio.

 

[ffive]

Seymour and Billy could have easilly been mutually exclusive in the same way Ian pursuing Cindy or Holly is, instead of just being left openly available.

They kind of are though -- if Lena is working for Seymour she's prohibited from doing other work, so she just tags along with Ivy as "vacation trip". Perhaps there's even going to be some choice for Lena at Billy's place to abide by that rule, or break it, with potential consequences. I'd imagine drug use might play into that, too.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

I think the real problem is that it's a mish-mash of mostly "do or do not" paths. Lena can choose to entirely neglect Stalkfap for example and her options with Seymour, Billy and Mike are all structured as "would you like to" instead of one being a mutually exclusive option to another. Seymour and Billy could have easilly been mutually exclusive in the same way Ian pursuing Cindy or Holly is, instead of just being left openly available. The issue with allowing the player to do nothing is that, that then means you have a position 0 you need to develop on from as well as the various optional paths.

For example I think pursuing a more pornographic version of StalkFap and attempting to establish a professional modelling career independently should be mutually exclusive. Nothing much really happens with it if you don't choose to do explicit content. I think the other photographer dude besides Danny for example should have contacted Lena independently if you chose to not do explicit content for StalkFap and then let Lena structure her modelling portfolio from there. The difference between the two routes would be different sexual kinks and quicker cash for explicit StalkFap and a longer-term gain of similar value for non explicit StalkFap.
Perhaps Eva still has time to do that if she wants to, but so far choosing not to do explicit content doesn't really promise anything since Lena doesn't really work actively on her portfolio.

I mostly agree with you. Tho I really think she has too many options to be manageable still, even if said paths can be exclusive from one another. Between Billy, Mike, Seymour, Agnes? (IIRC if you reject Seymour and Stalkfap you get her instead of Master Simp) with Axel being intertwined with her in some of those and the café which has 2 possible options as is?

Compare that to Ian which has Hierophant, the book contest and the amateur MMA career, that's fairly light and really streamlined in comparison.

 

[Ray_D]

I don't know what is the term called when things are introduced in plot, but later either not explored (forgotten/abandoned) or changing trajectory (bait and switch?)

Tertiary characters are called those.

but I have noticed it increasing within ORS unfortunately. I'm reaching a point where I hope this gets wrapped up no matter how shitty ending and Eva Kiss starts new project with rejuvenated passion/creativity.

If eva decides to do another project it won't do any good, since she will ruin it the same way she has been ruining ORS and why did that happen? because eva is surrounded by only yes men who support and influence her ideas.

Am I just an asshole? I dunno. "Big Dogs" in the industry have left me quite disappointed lately...

No, you're not alone in that man I've had the same feeling lately.

 

[BlandChili]

They kind of are though -- if Lena is working for Seymour she's prohibited from doing other work, so she just tags along with Ivy as "vacation trip". Perhaps there's even going to be some choice for Lena at Billy's place to abide by that rule, or break it, with potential consequences. I'd imagine drug use might play into that, too.

Yes, I suppose we'll see. But it's kinda similar to if you just refuse Billy initially, Lena just tags along anyway. Maybe posh Lena will be too good to partake?

 

[GokutheG]

They kind of are though -- if Lena is working for Seymour she's prohibited from doing other work, so she just tags along with Ivy as "vacation trip". Perhaps there's even going to be some choice for Lena at Billy's place to abide by that rule, or break it, with potential consequences. I'd imagine drug use might play into that, too.

I'm really looking forward to how Eva will handle Billy's route. He seems like a total dumb ass so I don't see whatever he's planning to work out well. I'm thinking a smart Lena will be needed to not only keep Ivy from going off the deep end trying to get it to work since the Wildcats rejection I think she could also help him figure out to get his modeling buisness to actually be a success.

 

[Ray_D]

To be completely honest I get the feeling Eva is struggling with how to structure Lena's story material outside of Seymour.

Yes, I have noticed that too. Correct me if I'm wrong, but originally ORS was only going to have ian as the only protagonist, right?

The way Ian randomly got a major update after Lena barely had any story progression after the beach house, thrown in right when Lena was actually going to go do something that wasn't optional. But also how her StalkFap content barely progressed in terms of perversion, and how a lot of time seems to pass between new events such as this Mike thing and whatever independent modelling efforts she might get to attempt. Add to that, that recently things at the cafe develop more in regards to Perry instead of Lena, a detail Ian influences rather than her, and there isn't a lot left for her besides litteral sex to fill out content with.

Yes, in this episode if you made the right decisions with ian it's basically one victory after another. I think I'd go so far as to say that eva is finding it easier to write ian's story and their respective events.

 

[varpep]

Yes, I have noticed that too. Correct me if I'm wrong, but originally ORS was only going to have ian as the only protagonist, right?

Yes, in this episode if you made the right decisions with ian it's basically one victory after another. I think I'd go so far as to say that eva is finding it easier to write ian's story and their respective events.

How's your meat doing Ainsley?

 

[CallMeLiar]

I'm really looking forward to how Eva will handle Billy's route. He seems like a total dumb ass so I don't see whatever he's planning to work out well. I'm thinking a smart Lena will be needed to not only keep Ivy from going off the deep end trying to get it to work since the Wildcats rejection I think she could also help him figure out to get his modeling buisness to actually be a success.

I think this will be the same as GGGB, similar to a music party fuck fest.

 

[Ray_D]

How's your meat doing Ainsley?

I just need give a little good old rub.

 

[varpep]

I just need give a little good old rub.

 

[VIK1358]

Honestly one of the best Vanilla Games on this site. Storywise too. Characters also etc.

 

[Socrambus]

On this note, i'm a little surprised there wasn't any Lena/Mike content in both Ch.12 and 13 so far. Even if they didn't sleep together Lena has potentially the music collab with him lined up, so you'd expect at leasts some texts regarding that... but there's literally nothing.

Maybe Gillian has found out he's been cheating on her and decided to resolve the matter... permanently.

I still think it would be dissapointing if Mike turns to be Gillian's secret guy. But if Gillian has his body buried in her garden and reveals herself as a psycho femme fatale wanting to get back with Ian... best plot twist ever.

Not constantly texting the same thing, but there being some progress on that path. Like maybe Lena texting him this time with her feedback on what he'd sent her. Or Lena spending some time on this project in her spare time instead of just running off for another round of shopping.

It just feels a bit too much like another Robert thing, who falls off the face of Earth until Lena wants to scratch an itch and is looking for a dick. Which is fine in case of Robert, but a little disappointing when the game seemed to have Lena/Mike as more than just that.

I assume that there is more texting going on the background for both Ian and Lena. But you are right on the progress being slow on the colab plot.

 

[NewSeal]

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Never forget when someone posted an edited image of Lena sucking on Lola's head and Eva laugh reacted on it.

 

[Ray_D]

Vanilla Games

Vanilla?

 

[fortuna95]

Vanilla?
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just compare it with GGGB

 

[Azhari17]

I can't get scene with Minerva. In last chapter my Ian chatted with Louise, Cindy and Minerva, but only scenes with Louise and Cindy appear, but not with Minerva. I tried to ignore Louise on trip, but then only scene with Cindy appears. Does anyone know the solution or maybe knows if this scene was added at all?

 

[Geigi]

Vanilla?
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Well, kinda. It's more vanilla then most FMC games, but also it's not a true vanilla game.