VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

The whole point is that she is 23 not 15. She shouldn't need her parents permission to do anything.

"My house, my rules."

Age doesn't really matter in this context, so long as your landlord has rules, you're expected to follow them or gtfo. Children and teens are in pretty difficult spot here in such context, but like people love to point out, Holly is an adult. And if Holly for whatever reason isn't capable of gtfo'ing, then her claims of adulthood are somewhat weakened.

(by incapable here i mean more that she seems unwilling to leave, whether it's because this arrangement is more convenient for her, she's scared to be on her own or whatever; as opposed to being physically prevented from leaving)

 

[fatpussy123]

"My house, my rules."

Age doesn't really matter in this context, so long as your landlord has rules, you're expected to follow them or gtfo. Children and teens are in pretty difficult spot here in such context, but like people love to point out, Holly is an adult. And if Holly for whatever reason isn't capable of gtfo'ing, then her claims of adulthood are somewhat weakened.

(by incapable here i mean more that she seems unwilling to leave, as opposed to being physically prevented from leaving)

Eh 'my house my rules' applies to what happens in said house. If the parents don't want boys coming over that's fair. But what Holly does outside isn't really any of their business and it's pretty controlling. She had to lie about who was going to the beach and got shit for practicing safe sex outside of their house. I've never heard of that controlling parents in my circles even amongst those that have lived with their parents past adulthood.

Like if Ian asked Perry to cover his rent, I don't think that'd give Perry the right to forbid him from sex. And as we see from Holly, those kinds of rules aren't enforceable.

 

[Gicoo]

I've never heard of that controlling parents in my circles even amongst those that have lived with their parents past adulthood.

Overcontrolling parents and adults who still live with their parents is a common trope in media and also based of RL. They live at their parents place under their rule or they get forced out if they don't behave.

Like if Ian asked Perry to cover his rent, I don't think that'd give Perry the right to forbid him from sex. And as we see from Holly, those kinds of rules aren't enforceable.

Entirely different dynamic. Perry is not Ians father, who actually threw Ian out precisely because Ian broke his thrust with him by staging a party while his parents where absent.
And if Ian fucks Cindy, Perry likely does throw him out, even if Ians love life is technically not his concern.

 

[fatpussy123]

Overcontrolling parents and adults who still live with their parents is a common trope in media and also based of RL. They live at their parents place under their rule or they get forced out if they don't behave.



Entirely different dynamic. Perry is not Ians father, who actually threw Ian out precisely because Ian broke his thrust with him by staging a party while his parents where absent.
And if Ian fucks Cindy, Perry likely does throw him out, even if Ians love life is technically not his concern.

The comment I was replying to specified landlord. Which I interpreted as being anyone facilitating the tenants stay, that's where the Perry example came from, of course as a parent you have more say than a Perry, but the point is the same, you don't make bs rules for an adult for what they do outside of your house. Even in the Ian example you gave, he threw a party at his dad's house. No way would any reasonable father throw out their son if they went to someone else party, the problem was throwing it under his roof. What Holly did was have sex outside of her parents, unlike Ian.

 

[ffive]

Eh 'my house my rules' applies to what happens in said house. If the parents don't want boys coming over that's fair. But what Holly does outside isn't really any of their business and it's pretty controlling.

I mean it is controlling for sure, but at the same time there's a grey area where the owner of the house can impose the rules on outside behavior by making it clear that they don't want tenants who engage in certain activities outside. This grey area would be especially wide for parents/children given the regular dynamics between these two.

So i really don't see it as extremely strange that Holly's parents would arrange it in a way along the lines of "so long as you're staying for free in my house, i expect you not to act in public in a way that'd shame you, and by extension, us as well."

If Holly has a problem with her parents being this controlling, then she's had years to address that and move out. But as long as she didn't her claims of independent adulthood aren't very convincing and easy for her parents to wave away as evidently lacking.

She had to lie about who was going to the beach and got shit for practicing safe sex outside of their house. I've never heard of that controlling parents in my circles even amongst those that have lived with their parents past adulthood.

But how many parents have you known who were religious fundamentalists that believed sex is only permitted after marriage?

Like if Ian asked Perry to cover his rent, I don't think that'd give Perry the right to forbid him from sex. And as we see from Holly, those kinds of rules aren't enforceable.

Doesn't Perry literally kick Ian out for having sex with the girl Perry wanted to get on? This might've been unspoken rule, but pretty easy to foresee and effectively a limitation on "outside behavior" Ian was allowed to engage in, if he wanted to keep his place at Perry's.

Similarly, Ian is expected not to antagonize Perry, and this expectation isn't limited only to "while we're at the flat". If Ian is repeatedly a dick to Perry in public, this can eventually come back and bite him on the ass.

Like all regulations, those rules are only enforceable in the sense the person subjected to them gets to choose whether they value more breaking the rule or maintaining benefits they get from following them.

 

[Hungover00]

Ian broke his thrust

Heh

 

[fatpussy123]

If Holly has a problem with her parents being this controlling, then she's had years to address that and move out.

I agree she should have moved out by now. But Holly being dumb doesn't change her parents also being dumb. Two parties can be wrong on different counts.

But how many parents have you known who were religious fundamentalists that believed sex is only permitted after marriage?

I have quite a few friends with devout religious upbringings, both christian and islamic, but none of had as controlling parents as Holly's, grounding a 26yr old for having safe sex with her boyfriend. Either way, I would in general say very religious fundamentalists are unreasonable people, which is the same thing I am saying about Holly's parents.

Doesn't Perry literally kick Ian out for having sex with the girl Perry wanted to get on? This might've been unspoken rule, but pretty easy to foresee and effectively a limitation on "outside behavior" Ian was allowed to engage in, if he wanted to keep his place at Perry's.

Yes there can be edge cases where some rules for the outside must be held. For example no living under my house if you're a serial killer, no living under my house if you're a super racist, no living under my house if you're a terrible friend that betrays me. But those kinds of unspoken rules are for bad behavior that affects others. Ian and Holly having safe sex while being an official couple does not fall into that category.

I harp on the safe sex thing as well because if Holly was having unprotected sex with Ian, the parents somehow found out, and grounded her. It would be much more reasonable. Holly can't afford to live on her own and now wants to risk having a kid and spending her parents money on it? Much more reasonable to set rules for that. You're potentially affecting a child's life and risk spending money that's not yours. But that's not why the parents are upset. Seems like they're only mad because of religious reasons, no sex before marriage.

 

[Hungover00]

Yes there can be edge cases where some rules for the outside must be held. For example no living under my house if you're a serial killer, no living under my house if you're a super racist, no living under my house if you're a terrible friend that betrays me. But those kinds of unspoken rules are for bad behavior that affects others. Ian and Holly having safe sex while being an official couple does not fall into that category.

The most common reason I've heard that kids are kicked out by their parents are because they came out or are found out to be LGBTQ+.

40+ years ago it was more common to be kicked out for getting pregnant or sex before marriage. I don't think we're meant to see Holly's family as reasonable or benevolent, but controlling and unreasonable. They hold archaic and reactionary views about sexual morality. But that's all going to be more of an impetus for Holly to move out and move in with Ian and/or Lena (or into the gloryhole for slutty Holly? It's unclear).

 

[SearingFive]

Zzz zzz.. Holly's parents are very religious people and have old values. It's not that deep. Sex before marriage is a very big deal to those people. As to why Holly is not leaving the place? Because she was hardwired from childhood by those religious nutjobs. Hence lack of self respect and awkward asf.

 

[-AQUIL-]

Good Jess can also end up with Dave in GGGB. Provided Eva went all-in in degen mode. There are two variants of good Jess dating partners in ORS, too. The non-Seymour path is Ash and Seymour's path is Dave.

Ah, that's a good point I forgot about Dave that was achieved by Ash helping Dave and Jess to reconnect. But that wouldn't make much sense in the event that Ivy has a good path and the partner is Jeremy. I mean so far the only relationship you can encourage is with Jeremy and I do not see that as a winJeremy's only good quality is being a lay (and not a very good lay at that), so he doesn't really qualify as a good romance opinion. He's had no character development and i think that's how he's meant to be. Despite Jack being an arrogant ass in GGGB, he had character beyond being a fuck boy, the more you got him to open up, the more he showed in both personality and intimacy( he was setting up the ground work for his business). On a more deprived path Jeremy makes more sense to me in the form of simple entertainment for Ivy and he's not the only one who fills that narrative. Now that I think about it what good male love interest exist in the ORS that has development so far that isn't Ian?. In GGGB you had Dave, Jack, Eric and Ashley's boss. So far in ORS mostly the females love interests are winning not that I'm complaining .But the game is also not finished so alot can be added or changed. I'm a vanilla player with a bit of spice added to my play throughs (i am enjoying a chad Ian with high wit). As you can see, I'm mostly interested in the romance and character development aspects of the game and when it comes to the game's depravity aspects.... well I have this forum for that and you guys don't hold back

 

[pavlogrk]

Is it just me or Ian's butthole looks like a pussy?

Damn, turns out Ian is in fact Elliot Page !

 

[Incarnation123]

The next Ian update I would gladly take a Cindy date over a Cindy sex scene. The sex scenes are nice but I need more personal moments to buy into the Cindy-Ian relationship

 

[notstaged]

I wasn't aware his sexual prowess offered life changing decisions to that extent

It's no joke. Emma almost flushed herself down a toilet, Boogerman style, after being dicked down by Ian at the beach. A true testament to the power of his penis.

The next Ian update I would gladly take a Cindy date over a Cindy sex scene

Cindy's reasoning during the "serious talk" on the relationship path with Ian really made her lose points with me. It really is hardwired into her character to treat every relationship as a stepping stone. It would've been an interesting examination to watch her navigate through life as a single individual.

 

[-AQUIL-]

It's no joke. Emma almost flushed herself down a toilet, Boogerman style, after being dicked down by Ian at the beach. A true testament to the power of his penis.

.....I'm dying laughing why did you have to phrase it in such a way
Your not wrong tho and I have no rebuttal

 

[ExtremeLips]

It's no joke. Emma almost flushed herself down a toilet, Boogerman style, after being dicked down by Ian at the beach. A true testament to the power of his penis.



Cindy's reasoning during the "serious talk" on the relationship path with Ian really made her lose points with me. It really is hardwired into her character to treat every relationship as a stepping stone. It would've been an interesting examination to watch her navigate through life as a single individual.

No matter what path is taken within the game, Cindy will always be a cheater

 

[Gicoo]

No matter what path is taken within the game, Cindy will always be a cheater

Well, technically, if you help her and Wade, then they break up amicable just before she starts dating Axel.

 

[Urusaisenpai]

Cindy's storyline, in my opinion, is going in a weird direction. We've been trying to build a relationship with her for a long time, confessing our feelings twice, yet now she's saying:

I want to figure myself out.
I just broke up with Wade.
We’re not officially dating.
You said you’d be patient.
It’s going too fast.

There’s a limit to how much a person can tolerate before feeling like they’re just being strung along. Cindy has been my favorite from the start, but her behavior feels inconsistent to the point where you just want to give up on her (which, to be fair, you can). It almost feels like the developer is intentionally making you question or even dislike her with how outright disrespectful she’s acting. What do you guys think?

 

[Ray_D]

Is it just me or Ian's butthole looks like a pussy?

I ain't looking there. You crazy!!

It does, idk why. Maybe because of the tracing.

Ok fine! I'll take a look. It's the crack, it goes way too high above his gooch.

Stupid sexy shemale Ian.

 

[Gicoo]

It almost feels like the developer is intentionally making you question or even dislike her with how outright disrespectful she’s acting.

That applies to many characters. Most of them are surprisingly unlikeable.

Cindy is self-centered from the get go, interacting with her is always one drama and another. Also, the entire relationship is an affair. Even now when she is available, dating her still is a hazzle, since Wade and Co. will 100% lash out to her and Ian.

There is no "peaceful" route for her. Granted, a relationship without a drama would be poorly for story, some sort of conflict needs to happen.

 

[Urusaisenpai]

That applies to many characters. Most of them are surprisingly unlikeable.

Cindy is self-centered from the get go, interacting with her is always one drama and another. Also, the entire relationship is an affair. Even now when she is available, dating her still is a hazzle, since Wade and Co. will 100% lash out to her and Ian.

Right?

If we just look at Cindy’s situation, we took the direct approach and confessed to her twice. But based on what happened in those situations, it feels like she accepted it—even if she didn’t say it verbally. Her actions, whether through physical intimacy or simply going along with us, seemed to confirm it.

I don't know anymore.