VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[bauman]

I just Ian was a bit taller. When he is in the screen with girls he looks like he is a feet shorter than them at least.

That's because Eva also gave him a slender build. He's almost feminized to a degree compared to the other men in the game. Stan, who's supposed to be shorter than Ian, looks taller because he compensates his lack of height with an impressive girth.

 

[CoalPhelps]

He's a loser. 27 years old and still an intern that relies on his families allowance to live.

We see in the game that he's supposed to have this potential to be a writer, but what kind of writer is he going to be? He has no real life experience, nothing that he's lived himself that he can base his writing on. I've read writers like this, and it's just junk. Based upon what they can derive from other writers or Wikipedia articles.

Ian is presented to us as the male protagonist, the other side of the coin to the female protagonist Lena. And yet Ian isn't even a patch on Lena, she's out of his league.

And he went through cheating and breaking up with a girlfriend, he has a shitty boss and the need to write corrupt reviews, he saw Axel use photography to seduce girls, etc. And that's just what we know. He has enough experience to write dark sci-fi or fantasy, for example. If you need to work as a waiter in an expensive restaurant in order to have experience, well, that's quite sad.

 

[CoalPhelps]

And yet Ian isn't even a patch on Lena, she's out of his league.

Why out of his league? He is smart, erudite, well-read, attentive, creative, talented, witty, quite handsome. Lena likes these qualities.

 

[DavDR]

Holly has a lot less experience than him and is a great writer who is becoming popular. Bad take.

In the story, how well does that reflect IRL

 

[DavDR]

And he went through cheating and breaking up with a girlfriend, he has a shitty boss and the need to write corrupt reviews, he saw Axel use photography to seduce girls, etc. And that's just what we know. He has enough experience to write dark sci-fi or fantasy, for example. If you need to work as a waiter in an expensive restaurant in order to have experience, well, that's quite sad.

Why are you still hung up on the Robert thing? And this is my opinion of Ian, sorry you don't like it but as it's my opinion you don't get a say in that.

 

[Homemade]

That's pretty neat - I like to think you didn't have to consider any of these, you just have an instant encyclopedic knowledge of all adult models in the world.

No, to be honest, bro I am reading this thread from the start, and whenever I found some interesting, funny memes like that Ian and Lena budget pictures. I share them with u guys, and all those models are already been found out by the users of this forum so kudos to them. I just quickly searched and compiled pictures of said models and uploaded them here for fellow men of culture.

 

[DavDR]

I would strongly disagree with your assessment.

I don't think I've known 27 year old who were extremely successful at that particular age. In Europe, it is not uncommon for people to live with their parents up to that age, especially if they're living in a big city where they can attend university of their choice.

Ian is trying to make it in an industry that's very unlike most other industries. So, working some relatively menial job while he does that makes sense to me. He covers his living expenses on his own, whether you his father for more money is his choice.

Lena is in a very similar situation - she's trying to make it as an artist and is also working menial jobs.

My criticism of Ian is that his story line sort of "promotes" him becoming a much more assertive and confident man. He starts as your run-of-the-mill, down to earth 27 year old, but most paths take him on a more dominant route. I would like options for less dominant routes as well.

There's a pretty wide gap between intern that needs an allowance and extremely successful, don't you think? I'd be more impressed if Ian could have climbed a little further up that gap.

 

[CoalPhelps]

In the story, how well does that reflect IRL

Enough. She has some experience and we know that a romantic story is of great importance in her book. She applied the experience of her relationship, albeit not very successful, but she had them.

 

[lordrango]

Maybe you should date him?

I don't think your criticism holds water.

Ian is a realistic character. It is like complaining that Chiwetel Ejiofor's characters from "12 Years a Slave" is a loser because he's not doing what Jamie Foxx' character is doing in "Django Unchained". It's not that you can't enjoy both films, but they require different type of characters to work.

Our Red String wouldn't really work with super macho Ian with a giant dick, a lot of money and influence and super powerful job, who's drowning in pussy at 27.

You can still make him very masculine and dominant and successful extremely easy (I would personally say - too easy) in the game.

There's a pretty wide gap between intern that needs an allowance and extremely successful, don't you think? I'd be more impressed if Ian could have climbed a little further up that gap.

Is that part you have trouble with?

IIRC, it's player's choice whether to ask for money or not.

And I certainly have no problem with that. I'm a quite successful man over 30, and I was still getting money from my parents to help me out when I was 27. Most of people I know did at that age.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Maybe you should date him?

Yeah, and maybe you still need to take the dildo out your ass.

 

[DavDR]

I don't think your criticism holds water.

Ian is a realistic character. It is like complaining that Chiwetel Ejiofor's characters from "12 Years a Slave" is a loser because he's not doing what Jamie Foxx' character is doing in "Django Unchained". It's not that you can't enjoy both films, but they require different type of characters to work.

Our Red String wouldn't really work with super macho Ian with a giant dick, a lot of money and influence and super powerful job, who's drowning in pussy at 27.

You can still make him very masculine and dominant and successful extremely easy (I would personally say - too easy) in the game.

You jump to extremes to prove your point. Nobody said anything about Ian being a wildly successful person. How about just an average guy who isn't so pathetic?

 

[DavDR]

Yeah, and maybe you still need to take the dildo out your ass.

Seriously re read the comment that I responded to. 'Erudite' LOL

 

[lordrango]

You jump to extremes to prove your point. Nobody said anything about Ian being a wildly successful person. How about just an average guy who isn't so pathetic?

My point IS that he's an average guy.

 

[DavDR]

My point IS that he's an average guy.

And my point is that he is not. I lived in Europe in my late twenties, my friends and I would have laughed at someone like Ian. I was born in one of the most economically depressed parts of the US and someone like Ian here would be as much despised.

If Ian is an average guy in Europe today, then that is pathetic.

 

[DavDR]

Kids a piece of advice from Morgan Freeman!!

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Wow, you guys just can't make an argument can you? It's always the personal attacks. That's ok, you're easy to ignore.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Seriously re read the comment that I responded to. 'Erudite' LOL

I just listed his characteristics. "Erudite" is a fairly common word in my country, maybe in English it has a slightly different connotation, but nevertheless.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

He's a loser. 27 years old and still an intern that relies on his families allowance to live.

We see in the game that he's supposed to have this potential to be a writer, but what kind of writer is he going to be? He has no real life experience, nothing that he's lived himself that he can base his writing on. I've read writers like this, and it's just junk. Based upon what they can derive from other writers or Wikipedia articles.

Ian is presented to us as the male protagonist, the other side of the coin to the female protagonist Lena. And yet Ian isn't even a patch on Lena, she's out of his league.

The publishing industry is filled with a lot of qualified people fighting for the few positions available — and I suspect that is at least as true for USA as for Europe. Internships are probably more or less the only route available to get the attractive jobs. That a lot of creative industries are based on poorly paid internships in several countries, hardly makes Ian a loser, that’s just a thing employers can get away with when there’s enough people willing to do whatever it takes to be hired.

The guy’s also almost finished writing a book, which is bound to become a success if you’ve made the right choices, and a big literary magazine wants him to write for them. If anything he’s ahead of schedule to succeed in his professional life. It’s true that things are looking slightly bleaker for him at the start of the game, but that’s the whole premise of the story: Both Ian and Lena are at a low in their lives, and they’re not sure where to go from there. That’s what we’re choosing for them in the game.

Writing Ian as a guy with everything working out for him from the start would’ve made the story significantly less interesting. Therefore you can also make the choices that ends in him losing his job and becoming a delivery guy who sits at home in the evenings, jerking off to videos of his best friend fucking girls he’s attracted to himself. That’s his loser route, but that only happens if you choose it for him.

And the idea that books from writers with limited life experience always are junk, is just plain stupid. As a writer you need to know your topic, but your topic doesn’t have to be derived from years of years of dramatical life experiences, at least not if you’re writing historical fiction or sci-fi, like Ian can do.

 

[CoalPhelps]

The publishing industry is filled with a lot of qualified people fighting for the few positions available — and I suspect that is at least as true for USA as for Europe. Internships are probably more or less the only route available to get the attractive jobs. That a lot of creative industries are based on poorly paid internships in several countries, hardly makes Ian a loser, that’s just a thing employers can get away with when there’s enough people willing to do whatever it takes to be hired.

The guy’s also almost finished writing a book, which is bound to become a success if you’ve made the right choices, and a big literary magazine wants him to write for them. If anything he’s ahead of schedule to succeed in his professional life. It’s true that things are looking slightly bleaker for him at the start of the game, but that’s the whole premise of the story: Both Ian and Lena are at a low in their lives, and they’re not sure where to go from there. That’s what we’re choosing for them in the game.

Writing Ian as a guy with everything working out for him from the start would’ve made the story significantly less interesting. Therefore you can also make the choices that ends in him losing his job and becoming a delivery guy who sits at home in the evenings, jerking off to videos of his best friend fucking girls he’s attracted to himself. That’s his loser route, but that only happens if you choose it for him.

And the idea that books from writers with limited life experience always are junk, is just plain stupid. As a writer you need to know your topic, but your topic doesn’t have to be derived from years of years of dramatical life experiences, at least not if you’re writing historical fiction or sci-fi, like Ian can do.

Now I even envy that I could not express it the same way.

 

[DavDR]

The publishing industry is filled with a lot of qualified people fighting for the few positions available — and I suspect that is at least as true for USA as for Europe. Internships are probably more or less the only route available to get the attractive jobs. That a lot of creative industries are based on poorly paid internships in several countries, hardly makes Ian a loser, that’s just a thing employers can get away with when there’s enough people willing to do whatever it takes to be hired.

The guy’s also almost finished writing a book, which is bound to become a success if you’ve made the right choices, and a big literary magazine wants him to write for them. If anything he’s ahead of schedule to succeed in his professional life. It’s true that things are looking slightly bleaker for him at the start of the game, but that’s the whole premise of the story: Both Ian and Lena are at a low in their lives, and they’re not sure where to go from there. That’s what we’re choosing for them in the game.

Writing Ian as a guy with everything working out for him from the start would’ve made the story significantly less interesting. Therefore you can also make the choices that ends in him losing his job and becoming a delivery guy who sits at home in the evenings, jerking off to videos of his best friend fucking girls he’s attracted to himself. That’s his loser route, but that only happens if you choose it for him.

And the idea that books from writers with limited life experience always are junk, is just plain stupid. As a writer you need to know your topic, but your topic doesn’t have to be derived from years of years of dramatical life experiences, at least not if you’re writing historical fiction or sci-fi, like Ian can do.

Yeah, I don't think we share the same taste in literature.

As to Ian, yes writing is a hard field to get into. You have to do the grunt work necessary to get yourself to a place where you can get noticed. But why does the character have to be a useless leach who sits around feeling sorry for himself? Compare him to Lena. She's struggling too. When she couldn't afford the cost she dropped out of college no matter how hard it was to abandon her dreams. She works two jobs and all the modeling gigs she can get. And she sends money home to her parents.

The contrast between the characters couldn't be more stark.

 

[lipe2410]

But why does the character have to be a useless leach who sits around feeling sorry for himself?

Maybe because the way you play with him?
I know for sure that my Ian is far from feel sorry for himself or be useless. He has a pretty clear vison of what he want from his life e from his work field and he is commited to that vision. And this because i pick the choices that make he be this way (and this include drop the financial help from his parents).