VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[legolasistaken]

if lena is doing some nude dance naked photos for money on her stalkfap she might be down for some prostitution as well and maybe went on a date with mayor via seymour or smthn it would be interesting to see these options

 

[pavlogrk]

It was inevitable with 2 MC's and the excessive umber of additional characters and storylines. too much for a sole developer to take on and complete.

It shows you haven't played any game from a milking dev!!! Like let's say L&P !! So calm your horses and wait!!! But don't talk bull crap !!

 

[dav121]

It shows you haven't played any game from a milking dev!!! Like let's say L&P !! So calm your horses and wait!!! But don't talk bull crap !!

I in no way claimed that Eva was milking or engaged in any bad behaviour towards her supporters. MY point is that the general crux of the game (multiple choices leaving to multiple different storylines) is far to big/complex for a sole developer to take on.
I can't even begin to imagine what the story board for this would even look like.
For christsakes even the walkthrough for it is an almost impossible task.

 

[BloodyMares]

For christsakes even the walkthrough for it is an almost impossible task.

While it does take a while to write, I'd say it's manageable (as long as I take breaks and switch to other activities). Playtesting on the other hand... You'd need several months to test every single branch across all 9 chapters.

 

[Ganso7]

Maybe we need more girl devs, you make plots more realistics and complex than many men devs, and the sex scenes are more passional and real. And the most important, you dont abandoned your current projects.
I like your art too by the way. Keep up lady

 

[reyir]

Maybe we need more girl devs, you make plots more realistics and complex than many men devs, and the sex scenes are more passional and real. And the most important, you dont abandoned your current projects.
I like your art too by the way. Keep up lady

In the first place Dev gender doesnt really had anything to do with their ability to write a good story or not, you can be either man or woman to had talent when it comes writing story for novel or games, it just many dev had good ability to makes the game but not the story in it.

And for many dev abandoned their games, to me maybe they dont get as much money as they want to cover up the cost of development for their game, the money they got doesnt worth how much work they put into their game and maybe they lose their passion along the way when developing their game or maybe they just had a better job that can give them more money than the money they get from their game and with more easier job than developing a game

At the end of the day, you need money to live, you cant do something you really like when it doesnt give you enough money to lived, its sad, but thats the truth

 

[Ganso7]

In the first place Dev gender doesnt really had anything to do with their ability to write a good story or not, you can be either man or woman to had talent when it comes writing story for novel or games, it just many dev had good ability to makes the game but not the story in it.

And for many dev abandoned their games, to me maybe they dont get as much money as they want to cover up the cost of development for their game, the money they got doesnt worth how much work they put into their game and maybe they lose their passion along the way when developing their game or maybe they just had a better job that can give them more money than the money they get from their game and with more easier job than developing a game

At the end of the day, you need money to live, you cant do something you really like when it doesnt give you enough money to lived, its sad, but thats the truth

I am not criticizing anything. I'm not here to create a gender debate in this forum, far from it. I just wanted to cheer on a developer and highlight some of the things I see. And you can't deny me that many h-games have the same theme, scenes, models, similar plots,... Everything that brings freshness is welcome

Money? Its important for sure, but in the end, developing a game is like starting a business, if you don't calculate the numbers well, you're out. You can take it as a hobby, but there are many members here that every time a dev leaves a game, it breaks a little piece of our hearts, the same happens with music, cinema, literature,... (And then there are those who take advantage and are milkers).

I insist that I do not intend to attack anyone, it is only the opinion of a humble trebuchet

 

[potatoezzz]

Huh?! She fucked around with Lena's boyfriend after she already knew he was her boyfriend! Not sure how she is non-toxic, yet you think Cindy is worse? Cindy is pissed off because Wade is a SLOTH who treats her like shit! Notice she went to the bar HE LIKED, but when she suggested they try out something she liked, he got all pissy!

Man, I can almost tell who has and has not been married successfully in here, especially if you think Cindy is bad and Cherry is non-toxic. LMAO

how about all the characters are flawed except maybe ian and lena depending on what you do haha. Every time i check the page for updates theres always someone making a hot take and someone losing their shit haha

 

[Nifferman]

Cherry sleeps with Axel because she is in love with him. She doesn't cheat on anyone, that would be Axel ( or Cindy). Not be entertaining enough is not exactly treating someone like shit. Notice her birthday present to Wade was going dancing in a club, something she wanted?

Both are shit get over it

 

[Deleted member 53157]

Who gives a shit. In my game Ian is banging all three of Axels bitchs basically cuckolding him (Cherry, Lena and Cindy) can't wait to rub it on his face.

 

[BloodyMares]

Huh?! She fucked around with Lena's boyfriend after she already knew he was her boyfriend! Not sure how she is non-toxic, yet you think Cindy is worse? Cindy is pissed off because Wade is a SLOTH who treats her like shit! Notice she went to the bar HE LIKED, but when she suggested they try out something she liked, he got all pissy!

Man, I can almost tell who has and has not been married successfully in here, especially if you think Cindy is bad and Cherry is non-toxic. LMAO

First, I was comparing Cherry to Lena, not Cindy. I don't think anybody would defend Lena's character based on the shit she can pull under player's control.

Second, are you judging characters based on what they did in the past and might regret, or what they're currently doing in their life? Cherry fucked up once in her life, motivated by love for a guy. Now she understands what she did, and would never do something like that again. The guilt she feels helps her be a better person. Cindy does not have as much experience in life, so she's currently where Cherry was half a year ago, doing wrong things based purely on emotions. I'll only judge Cindy in the branch where Ian decides to mind his business and not meddle with their relationship, because that's where Cindy has the most agency.

And so far, she's using her dissatisfaction with Wade's lifestyle to disregard his feelings and use another guy as a distraction. As far as Wade's concerned, she is cheating on him with Axel. Even if they didn't fuck yet, Cindy totally treats her shoots with Axel like it's an affair and lets him be inappropriate with her (touching). In the last chapter, she decides to go see Axel just because he won't be able to see her at a later date, and so she breaks her agreement with Wade that they'll only go together when she wants to shoot. And she knew very well that Wade couldn't come because of the competition. It was very important for Wade, so she made him choose between his boyfriend responsibilities and his only chance to pursue his dreams. Meanwhile she could easily make a smaller sacrifice and wait until Axel's return. It would cost her absolutely nothing, just a free week to find something productive to do. But she put Axel's convenience above her boyfriend's life goals. That's why I'm not really fond of Cindy at the moment. She has some growing up to do.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Man, I can almost tell who has and has not been married successfully in here, especially if you think Cindy is bad and Cherry is non-toxic. LMAO

Well, if you think the key to a successful marriage is following your wife's shitty shenanigans and don't think she should do the same for you, you may have a successful marriage, but you can hardly call it happy.

 

[Lovely Dani]

I in no way claimed that Eva was milking or engaged in any bad behaviour towards her supporters. MY point is that the general crux of the game (multiple choices leaving to multiple different storylines) is far to big/complex for a sole developer to take on.
I can't even begin to imagine what the story board for this would even look like.
For christsakes even the walkthrough for it is an almost impossible task.

I see on patreon that ORS has 2.400 substainers. With an average of 3 euros/months are 7 thousand euros per month. One year, 80 thousand euros. I think she can find some collaboration.

 

[Night Hacker]

Well, if you think the key to a successful marriage is following your wife's shitty shenanigans and don't think she should do the same for you, you may have a successful marriage, but you can hardly call it happy.

So you think a successful relationship involves totally ignoring her and treating her like shit? Sorry kid, I was happily married for 36 1/2 years, happily because I didn't treat her like shit, I took into account her feelings and what she wanted and she did the same for me. We almost never argued (I don't recall the last one to be honest) and said "I love you" at least three times a day. This is one area I know about.

This is just a game, but the dialog trashing Cindy annoys me a great deal and I can't stand Wade. He's a selfish, slothful prick. Mistreat a girl in real life like he does in this game, and she will leave you for someone else (and rightfully so).

 

[CoalPhelps]

So you think a successful relationship involves totally ignoring her and treating her like shit?

Sure, not-a-kid, only this is ignoratio elenchi, because I said exactly the opposite. Yep, Wade doesn't put enough effort into maintaining and strengthening the relationship, but how does Cindy scratch his back? Does she go to Fortress? Well, she, unlike Alison, doesn't hate that bar and feels perfectly fine there. Trying to get him out to a bar or club? Well, she's primarily doing it for herself, just because she's an outgoing person. Does she ever not mock Wade's hobbies and his desire to become a cyber athlete, show an interest in that? I don't recall that, so it's safe to say that Wade reciprocates. Not to mention that she's willing to pop in on Axel, at least without dumping Wade beforehand. Yeah, I understand why someone might hate Wade, but I don't understand why in doing so, Cindy is seen as some kind of princess of gold.

 

[BloodyMares]

This is just a game, but the dialog trashing Cindy annoys me a great deal and I can't stand Wade. He's a selfish, slothful prick. Mistreat a girl in real life like he does in this game, and she will leave you for someone else (and rightfully so).

And does she not mistreat him a great deal more? How is Cindy not selfish? She doesn't do anything for Wade that he doesn't for her. Going to Fortress (that she doesn't mind)? Well, he went to Blazer (that he hates). Bringing him to her shoots with Axel? She's lucky to do that in the first place because most boyfriends wouldn't allow their girlfriends to pose naked for a guy in any capacity, let alone do it alone. it was Wade's compromize with Cindy's desire to do nude modeling for a guy. But is she really supportive of Wade's interests and goals?

Let's examine their Chapter 9 dilemma, and what was the compromize for a loving couple.

In these win + lose situations, couples usually try to understand what is more important / urgent for them BOTH AS A COUPLE (find pros and cons). Wade wants to enter cybersport (which Cindy hates), and Cindy wants to do nude modeling (which Cindy hates). So, Wade compromized by letting her do nude modeling for Axel with him present, and Cindy compromized to tolerate his gaming and not being able to go out as often as she'd like. But then those solutions clash, and there needs to be a final compromize because Wade can't go to Cindy's photo shoots.

What would Cindy lose if she skips 3 weeks without posing for Axel? Nothing, really, just having to wait for 3 weeks until she can do it. What would she gain if she attends THIS shoot? A pleasant day at best? What would both Cindy and Wade lose if she went alone? Wade's trust, because they made a deal, and there was a serious risk of Cindy cheating with Axel. What would they gain if Wade went with her? Happy Cindy, but at what cost?

What would Wade lose if he missed his chance to participate in the championship? His only opportunity to find income, and he would have to wait at least a year until the next one. What do they both have to gain from Wade going to that championship? Wade potentially getting a job, his gratitude to Cindy for making that sacrifice that she can exploit by spending following 2 weeks without Axel making Wade do what she wants.

So, for them as a couple, Wade's needs are more important, because it would provide them both with more income and would strengthen their bond, while the cost of them not doing it would be too high, and Wade's only benefit from that sacrifice is Cindy in a good mood for like a week or two tops. He has all the risks, of either losing an important job opportunity, or losing Cindy to another guy if she goes alone. Cindy doesn't risk anything by being supportive of Wade and skipping her photo shoot. Axel and Cindy can wait, championship can't. She knows it, but instead of compromising, she puts Wade in a win/lose/lose situation, where he can win the championship, but lose Cindy to either Axel or Ian.

 

[reyir]

For me the one thing that makes Cindy makes a lot more mistakes than Wade in their relationship is that Cindy doesnt broke up with Wade first when she had a fling with Ian and Axel and thats why its called cheating... I mean if Cindy think that Wade doesnt give her enough attention that she want from him, then just broke up with him, theres no justification about her cheating behind Wades back and got angry when Wade found it and acts like SHE IS THE VICTIM and all of this IS BECAUSE OF WADE... If she just broke up with Wade and then had realationship with Ian or Axel i can accept that shes not really a bad girl, but cheating just because she doesnt get enough attention? nope, she belong to the streets man

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

And does she not mistreat him a great deal more? How is Cindy not selfish? She doesn't do anything for Wade that he doesn't for her. Going to Fortress (that she doesn't mind)? Well, he went to Blazer (that he hates). Bringing him to her shoots with Axel? She's lucky to do that in the first place because most boyfriends wouldn't allow their girlfriends to pose naked for a guy in any capacity, let alone do it alone. it was Wade's compromize with Cindy's desire to do nude modeling for a guy. But is she really supportive of Wade's interests and goals?

Let's examine their Chapter 9 dilemma, and what was the compromize for a loving couple.

In these win + lose situations, couples usually try to understand what is more important / urgent for them BOTH AS A COUPLE (find pros and cons). Wade wants to enter cybersport (which Cindy hates), and Cindy wants to do nude modeling (which Cindy hates). So, Wade compromized by letting her do nude modeling for Axel with him present, and Cindy compromized to tolerate his gaming and not being able to go out as often as she'd like. But then those solutions clash, and there needs to be a final compromize because Wade can't go to Cindy's photo shoots.

What would Cindy lose if she skips 3 weeks without posing for Axel? Nothing, really, just having to wait for 3 weeks until she can do it. What would she gain if she attends THIS shoot? A pleasant day at best? What would both Cindy and Wade lose if she went alone? Wade's trust, because they made a deal, and there was a serious risk of Cindy cheating with Axel. What would they gain if Wade went with her? Happy Cindy, but at what cost?

What would Wade lose if he missed his chance to participate in the championship? His only opportunity to find income, and he would have to wait at least a year until the next one. What do they both have to gain from Wade going to that championship? Wade potentially getting a job, his gratitude to Cindy for making that sacrifice that she can exploit by spending following 2 weeks without Axel making Wade do what she wants.

So, for them as a couple, Wade's needs are more important, because it would provide them both with more income and would strengthen their bond, while the cost of them not doing it would be too high, and Wade's only benefit from that sacrifice is Cindy in a good mood for like a week or two tops. He has all the risks, of either losing an important job opportunity, or losing Cindy to another guy if she goes alone. Cindy doesn't risk anything by being supportive of Wade and skipping her photo shoot. Axel and Cindy can wait, championship can't. She knows it, but instead of compromising, she puts Wade in a win/lose/lose situation, where he can win the championship, but lose Cindy to either Axel or Ian.

Based.

Just because Wade is lazy and sometimes uncaring doesn't mean Cindy get a pass for being selfish and egotistical.

 

[dav121]

I see on patreon that ORS has 2.400 substainers. With an average of 3 euros/months are 7 thousand euros per month. One year, 80 thousand euros. I think she can find some collaboration.

That would be preferable, for the sake of the project, and Eva's sanity.

 

[BloodyMares]

Wait, is it confirmed that Cindy had sex with Axel if Ian didn't go for Cindy?

No, it's not. The possibility is there though, especially if Ian didn't go to the shoot with Cindy (and Lena didn't interrupt Axel by coming to her own shoot with him). We know that when Cindy is mad at Wade, she can do stupid shit, like fucking Ian in the alley, and she's especially susceptible to Axel's charms. I would even say that she has a crush on Axel, and the only reason she didn't act on it is because she's "taken", and that Wade insisted on coming with her. Now though, being alone with Axel, starting the shoot naked right away, might leave her just vulnerable enough for him to finally claim her. And it makes the most sense pace-wise for the story, now that Cindy's character branches out into either a loving and honest girlfriend, a cheater, or a soon-to-be single girl. If Ian doesn't act, it's safe to assume that Axel will.