VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[KeksimusMaximus]

I'm writing a sci-fi novel, and you made me realize I'm a hybrid of both types, I already have the very general ideas of how the story would go, but most of the fine and minute detail come up as I write and in turn, it also helps me to plan further into the overarching story.

I watched an interesting video with Stephen King on how he writes. He will have a general idea on how the story will go, but then as he writes, he looks at a situation from the point of view of the character and t hen writes what they would do and he stated that he doesn't know how it will go (except the general direction obviously). I found it quite interesting, sort of like a hybrid of the two approaches you mentioned.

Well I feel like both approaches aren't really black and white and fall more into a scale, with every writer being a hybrid of the two, just generally leaning towards one side or the other. Even the most extreme 'gardeners' do have some idea or direction of what they want to accomplish in a story, they just haven't outlined every plot point and goes where the story takes them like with King. Vice versa, 'architects' may have planned ahead much farther and know the frameworks of their story, but that doesn't mean they're not opposed to being flexible with how the story expands.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

actually it kinda is. if you see this game as "fap material", you are wrong imo. it's more than that, much more.

Well... ehh. Nah. It's fap material. Just very high quality fap material for all of us distinguished fappers who need plausible buildup, personal agency and suitable dialogue for our faps. *Dons tophat and monocle to fap like a sir*

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Well... ehh. Nah. It's fap material. Just very high quality fap material for all of us distinguished fappers who need plausible buildup, personal agency and suitable dialogue for our faps. *Dons tophat and monocle to fap like a sir*

"I play porn game for the plot"

 

[Night Hacker]

"I play porn game for the plot"

I do. Some of the best games have less porn in them I find, like a good movie. If the story is good enough, I honestly could care less about the sex. I would rather it make some kind of sense (as much as it can in these sort of stories) than just some guy that bangs a dozen women in one day and they all smile about it and he has a limitless supply of cum and energy. LOL

I have played a few of these where I starting laughing as anyone would have collapsed from exhaustion. But I was never one to watch normal porn much for the same reasons. The ridiculous plots put me off too much.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

I do. Some of the best games have less porn in them I find, like a good movie. If the story is good enough, I honestly could care less about the sex. I would rather it make some kind of sense (as much as it can in these sort of stories) than just some guy that bangs a dozen women in one day and they all smile about it and he has a limitless supply of cum and energy. LOL

I have played a few of these where I starting laughing as anyone would have collapsed from exhaustion. But I was never one to watch normal porn much for the same reasons. The ridiculous plots put me off too much.

Have you considered watching/playing regular movies/tv series/video games?

 

[Night Hacker]

Have you considered watching/playing regular movies/tv series/video games?

Nope. I like these. It doesn't have to be pure porn you know. But we each have our own tastes. I like a good story, a good buildup etc... and done in the style of a visual novel is ideal. Sort of like a normal erotic story that is text only. Simply describing physical acts is boring. The best part about those is the actual story, the buildup etc.

Have you considered watching just porn videos?

 

[Deleted member 53157]

I watch porn movies for the intricate plot and drama that unfolds when the penis enters the vag.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Have you considered watching just porn videos?

I actually do watch just porn videos but sometimes the games have better setup and build up. For porn that is. If I wanted to watch or play an interesting narrative I stick to the movies and tv shows, little less video games. I also find sex scenes extremely awkward when they are in movies.

 

[BloodyMares]

I watched an interesting video with Stephen King on how he writes. He will have a general idea on how the story will go, but then as he writes, he looks at a situation from the point of view of the character and t hen writes what they would do and he stated that he doesn't know how it will go (except the general direction obviously). I found it quite interesting, sort of like a hybrid of the two approaches you mentioned.

That is very reminiscent of role-playing or improv acting. It sure helps to get in the shoes of one of your characters, and then act out the story from their POV. Then you switch to another character and do the same, etc. That approach also helps make those characters act consistent, because they basically all are a version of you (in a sense). I'm sure Eva does the same for Ian, Lena, Perry, Cindy, Alison, Cherry and Holly (others feel a bit distant and more basic). The tricky thing is accounting for player choice which can either enhance the immersion or break it based on how well these characters handle different player-set narratives. And that's where the planning has to play a role, to creatively limit the amount of choice in a way that doesn't look suspicious for the player.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

I do. Some of the best games have less porn in them I find, like a good movie. If the story is good enough, I honestly could care less about the sex. I would rather it make some kind of sense (as much as it can in these sort of stories) than just some guy that bangs a dozen women in one day and they all smile about it and he has a limitless supply of cum and energy. LOL

I have played a few of these where I starting laughing as anyone would have collapsed from exhaustion. But I was never one to watch normal porn much for the same reasons. The ridiculous plots put me off too much.

“Limitless supply of cum” is a surprisingly good way to summarise the main issue with a lot of the not-so-good porn games out there

 

[Night Hacker]

I actually do watch just porn videos but sometimes the games have better setup and build up. For porn that is. If I wanted to watch or play an interesting narrative I stick to the movies and tv shows, little less video games. I also find sex scenes extremely awkward when they are in movies.

Good for you, I'll get your medal ready ASAP. Not everyone has the same likes as YOU... I know, that's a shock to you... everyone SHOULD be thinking like you do, I know...

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

"I play porn game for the plot"

Nah. I think we're all here for the porn. Some of us just need plot or engrossing gameplay as well and can't get off to a game designed by someone with the remedial writing skills of a horny 12 year old.

Picture fapping to bad writing for some of us as akin to fapping to this.


I mean, I've dabbled in a challenging fap every now and again for the skill test, but one can hardly get off to it unless you're truly a Master 'bater.

 

[Night Hacker]

Nah. I think we're all here for the porn. Some of us just need plot or engrossing gameplay as well and can't get off to a game designed by someone with the remedial writing skills of a horny 12 year old.

Picture fapping to bad writing for some of us as akin to fapping to this.
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I mean, I've dabbled in a challenging fap every now and again for the skill test, but one can hardly get off to it unless you're truly a Master 'bater.

Oooh yeah... those hand drawn boobs are too much for me....

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Oooh yeah... those hand drawn boobs are too much for me....

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Well, hats off to you, good sir. Glad you enjoyed my art. If only everyone were so skilled at challenging faps, I might take 30 minutes to make a stick-figure porn game & rake in that Dark Cookie money. There's plenty more bobs where that vagine came from.

 

[oldschool34500]

"I play porn game for the plot"

It's what you say xd

 

[Sherka]

Lena fuck Robert in Ian bedroom, that's so cold heart of her

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[Ragnar]

Don't get me wrong some games can have a good story, Evakiss first game has some good routes but ORS is just a soap opera.
If you want good narrative and stories, books > tv-movies > comics > games.

 

[palmtrees89]

Don't get me wrong some games can have a good story, Evakiss first game has some good routes but ORS is just a soap opera.
If you want good narrative and stories, books > tv-movies > comics > games.

I mean, adult content of whatever kind doesn't always have to be cheap smut. That's mostly what drives me to play these kind of games. There are enough braindead fuckfest "VN's" out there if you ask me.

If you liked Eva's first game thinking it had good routes, I don't see how this one suddenly is just a soap opera for you. It's a pretty similar experience (too similar at times for my taste even), and there's still lots of fucking.

Oh, and I have to absolutely disagree with your..uhm..tier-list? I can't play games with garbage story, just as I wouldn't want to read a book or watch a movie with garbage story. No real difference there, atleast not to me.

But hey, to each their own.

 

[Ragnar]

I mean, adult content of whatever kind doesn't always have to be cheap smut. That's mostly what drives me to play these kind of games. There are enough braindead fuckfest "VN's" out there if you ask me.

If you liked Eva's first game thinking it had good routes, I don't see how this one suddenly is just a soap opera for you. It's a pretty similar experience (too similar at times for my taste even), and there's still lots of fucking.

Oh, and I have to absolutely disagree with your..uhm..tier-list? I can't play games with garbage story, just as I wouldn't want to read a book or watch a movie with garbage story. No real difference there, atleast not to me.

But hey, to each their own.

ORS is still in the making and we don't know how everything will evolve. The tiers list is about the average product. There are shitty novels of course but the average game writer is just bad.

 

[mommysboiii]

Have you considered watching/playing regular movies/tv series/video games?

Have you ever considert watching a porn instead of playing a erotic novel? Most games on this site play like pornos I dont get it because they cant compete with that whrere erotic VN shines are making own decissions and writting so ofc this thinks are important.
I am glad that we have our red string because it has a good story, male and female cheracters and a believable game world compared too most other erotic VN.

Picture fapping to bad writing for some of us as akin to fapping to this.
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too be fair this are 95% erotic VN on this site