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I do gotta wonder how fkn big or small the next chapter will be in comparison with previous ones. If it will push more taboos like gggb or play it safe. With the last chapter being released over 8 months ago it just makes you wonder what the end product of chapter 10 would be.
 

JohnnyKiss

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I do gotta wonder how fkn big or small the next chapter will be in comparison with previous ones. If it will push more taboos like gggb or play it safe. With the last chapter being released over 8 months ago it just makes you wonder what the end product of chapter 10 would be.
It's going to be an ordinary chapter. EvaKiss only started working on it like 10 weeks ago so don't expect that much more content.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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I have no idea if Eva works alone on the project or how much time she can work on the game per week.
Presumably, like many other developers, she will have to work a regular job to make a living.
...I take it you haven't seen the pricing and pledge numbers on her Patreon page. This is her full-time gig, likely bringing in euro equivalent of at least $14k USD monthly. She hires some help, but can definitely use more.
 

Rule97

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...I take it you haven't seen the pricing and pledge numbers on her Patreon page. This is her full-time gig, likely bringing in euro equivalent of at least $14k USD monthly. She hires some help, but can definitely use more.
With that sum she sure's as hell can pay some help and still have some more money to live the good life.

Is this revamp a good revamp or a bad one? Like not worth the derailing from adding new chapters to the story.
 
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Tallyhoe

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...I take it you haven't seen the pricing and pledge numbers on her Patreon page. This is her full-time gig, likely bringing in euro equivalent of at least $14k USD monthly. She hires some help, but can definitely use more.
$14k? I think it’s more like $6k only.
 

Lollonman

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I'm gonna be honest, I love the idea behind this game's choices, the fact that you can have so many different paths, and I'd love to play a finished game which has these many brenches in its storyline, but I wanna highlight FINISHED GAME.

I can see a studio of 10 writers struggling to complete all the storylines within a 3-4 years time-span, to think that 1 dev is in charge of writing, drawing and coding with very little help from others is borderline insane and it's just a recipe for failure. I'd rather play a shorter game with the same fashion but without all these insanely articulated branches, than an half-project which may as well never be fully developed. Maybe I'm over exaggerating, but at this point we could have had a new GGGB.

And guys, whether or not Eva has the writer's block, let's not forget that the longer the story goes, the lenghtier every chapter becomes, development should realistically be esponentially longer as the story unfolds and we are currently waiting for the 10th chapter from a project that Eva herself believes can be 20 chapters long or more. This is not being hopeful, this is straight insanity.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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$14k? I think it’s more like $6k only.
I'm basing it on trends I've seen across patreon numbers to estimate the total. Some patreon devs like Eva don't show the totals they make per month. But some successful devs do. Analyzing the ones who do, the subscriber count x the second tier price typically comes out to a little over or under what the dev makes per month. The end monthly total is almost always roughly at or over that calculation if you need a Tier 2+ subscription to get updates on new content, as Eva's patreon requires (Tier 1 just gets GGGB). Even more-so if Tier 3 or above saves a week or more wait-time for updates than Tier 2. Eva's matches that as well, on to Tier 4 at the earliest Alpha releases. Do these devs I've calculated from routinely release monthly or bimonthly either? Nope. They tend to release at roughly the same extended schedule as Eva or longer, give or take one or two.

Yes, it's a guess. But based on the trends I've looked through, it's safe to say Eva's at least at around $13k a month and quite likely $14k or more, at least before Patreon takes their chunk.

Why did I even look into this?: Analytics are the best kind of anal when you're planning for a potential porn game.


Given, as one poster mentioned, I haven't calculated what chunk Patreon takes out of that. So this would be a general estimate of beforehand. Patreon may take up to a $2k chunk or more out of the subtotal with commissions, depending on Eva's plan level (likely plan 2 at 8% commission) and transaction fees, which vary from pledge to pledge.
 
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JohnnyKiss

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I can see a studio of 10 writers struggling to complete all the storylines within a 3-4 years time-span,
I'm sorry but this is a laughable thing to say. One writer is more than enough for the story to be written, the real issue is that Eva does everything else as well.
 
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CoalPhelps

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And guys, whether or not Eva has the writer's block, let's not forget that the longer the story goes, the lenghtier every chapter becomes, development should realistically be esponentially longer as the story unfolds and we are currently waiting for the 10th chapter from a project that Eva herself believes can be 20 chapters long or more. This is not being hopeful, this is straight insanity.
Moreover, this is due to the fact that writing consists of two stages — inspiration and volitional effort. Inspiration exists as long as there is novelty to the work and can last, two weeks, a month, five, a year, but in general not long. During this time, the work spores well and goes quickly, the creative potential is laid down. Then there is a physiological process of inhibition and inspiration goes down, the stage of volitional effort begins. During this time, it is normal for the writer to experience difficulties, negative emotions, procrastination, etc. And Eva is undoubtedly a writer.
 

dundun

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I'm basing it on trends I've seen across patreon numbers to estimate the total. Some patreon devs like Eva don't show the totals they make per month. But some successful devs do. Analyzing the ones who do, the subscriber count x the second tier price typically comes out to a little over or under what the dev makes per month. The end monthly total is almost always roughly at or over that calculation if you need a Tier 2+ subscription to get updates on new content, as Eva's patreon requires (Tier 1 just gets GGGB). Even more-so if Tier 3 or above saves a week or more wait-time for updates than Tier 2. Eva's matches that as well, on to Tier 4 at the earliest Alpha releases. Do these devs I've calculated from routinely release monthly or bimonthly either? Nope. They tend to release at roughly the same extended schedule as Eva or longer, give or take one or two.

Yes, it's a guess. But based on the trends I've looked through, it's safe to say Eva's at least at around $13k a month and quite likely $14k or more, at least before Patreon takes their chunk.

Why did I even look into this?: Analytics are the best kind of anal when you're planning for a potential porn game.


Given, as one poster mentioned, I haven't calculated what chunk Patreon takes out of that. So this would be a general estimate of beforehand. Patreon may take up to a $2k chunk or more out of the subtotal with commissions, depending on Eva's plan level (likely plan 2 at 8% commission) and transaction fees, which vary from pledge to pledge.
Or you could just extrapolate her last known data. On Jan. 30, 2019 she got 7231$ from 1934 patreons. Now she has 2107 patreons so that would be 7878$, nowhere near your 14k. My secret source tells me it is about 9500 right now which fits very well considering she raised the minimum tier for the full game from 3$ to 5$ (On Jan. 30, 2019 she had 792 patreons on the 3$ tier, if they all raised to the new 5$ tier that would put it to 9500).
Using other creators as reference is not a good choice as their income per patreon differs wildly. Just take the 2 highest ranking adult creators( ) who's income is still public, DC with 69,885 from 28442 patreons and AS with 117,301 from 11589 patreons. If you use these numbers to divine EvaKiss that would range from 5117 to 21327.
 

BloodyMares

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at least before Patreon takes their chunk
And before taxes and Paypal fees, as well as paying the coder, colorist, etc. All of those expenses can easily subtract over 50% of income. It's easy to count someone else's money until you start doing something yourself and realize just how much you get ripped off by all that processing. For each $2 pledge you get only 1.25 or so before withdrawal, and after the transaction those .25 are gone as well.
 
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crazydan

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And guys, whether or not Eva has the writer's block, let's not forget that the longer the story goes, the lenghtier every chapter becomes, development should realistically be esponentially longer as the story unfolds and we are currently waiting for the 10th chapter from a project that Eva herself believes can be 20 chapters long or more. This is not being hopeful, this is straight insanity.
I agree. Personally I think it would be best to end the game at 12 chapters. Instead of continuing to broaden the story, start narrowing it towards the end. It would already make ORS a satisfying complete game and better than 99% of what's on this site. Then for the next game, outline all the story/writing upfront. A little project management goes a long way.

For better or worse though, the Patreon system pays for time not product, so there's little incentive to finish quickly, or at all.
 
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