VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Night Hacker]

Correction. We haven't gotten a new CHAPTER. Remaster was an update for the WHOLE GAME. You might not like the changes, you might not like that it took so long, you might even question its purpose. All of those emotions and opinions are valid. But you're making it sound like Remaster doesn't count as an update, as if it didn't get a lot of changes and only new Chapters actually require any effort. Rant incoming... Do you have any idea how many hours of work is required to go over everything you've done to make sure everything is consistent and up to standard? If you didn't like waiting for 8 months, imagine me having to basically rewrite A BOOK (at this point it might as well be) to go over all of the changes? Trust me, I'm the last person to advocate for game rewrites and retcons, because they add hundreds of hours of work that could be spent for something else... But invalidating all this effort is just extremely ignorant and disrespectful.

I 100% agree. I have been working on my own VN just for shits and giggles, and it took me several HOURS just to redo a handful of scenes. Scenes which will take a player only a few minutes to breeze through. I realized I need to leave the errors in place and just move on and learn to say "fuck it!" more often, LOL... I redid some of my renders six times. Yeah, I'm crazy. But the renders themselves didn't take the time... heck, loading them with Daz took longer. But getting the scene set up, rendering, checking for errors, rerendering etc... I can see why a game with decent quality scenes and especially a good story where all your choices are accounted for take a huge amount of time.

I was thinking that I may actually create something... in 25 years time! LOL

The reactions in here are that of spoiled brats who don't have a clue about what is involved in these, or creating ANY game for that matter. AAA titles take years to complete with huge budgets and a team of professionals. This is one person.

 

[BloodyMares]

While going through the script, I found something very interesting and would like for someone to test it in-game.
1) Pursue Ian, Robert, and Mike. Don't make Mike spend the night (lena_mike_love = False)
2) Make Ian go to the trip with Alison but don't commit (don't kiss under fireworks)
3) After the trip, have Ian and Lena enter the relationship
4) During Lena's POV, ask Robert to carry Lena's bags. Sex is optional.
5) Don't fuck Axel
6) Pay attention to Lena's monologue at the end of Saturday.

Based on the script, this playthrough should allow Lena to keep her relationship both with Robert and Mike even after becoming Ian's girlfriend, and I'm not sure it's intended outcome...

 

[Night Hacker]

While going through the script, I found something very interesting and would like for someone to test it in-game.
1) Pursue Ian, Robert, and Mike. Don't make Mike spend the night (lena_mike_love = False)
2) Make Ian go to the trip with Alison but don't commit (don't kiss under fireworks)
3) After the trip, have Ian and Lena enter the relationship
4) During Lena's POV, ask Robert to carry Lena's bags. Sex is optional.
5) Don't fuck Axel
6) Pay attention to Lena's monologue at the end of Saturday.

Based on the script, this playthrough should allow Lena to keep her relationship both with Robert and Mike even after becoming Ian's girlfriend, and I'm not sure it's intended outcome...

Ian becomes a cuck?

 

[CoalPhelps]

Yeah, because Mike is already in one. I honestly don't know why she would refuse to be in a relationship, except the desire to mess around with a lot of people as Jeremy isn't interested in a relationship, even though he pretends to be in one (which makes it worse that Lena slept with him). Mike is already in one and the only available guys that seem to be single are douche-bags. Unless she is starting to like women more?

I think this has nothing to do with Lena wanting to get into a relationship with Jeremy, but for the following two reasons. First, she is developing BBC fetish and so now casuals with Ian is okay, and in a relationship she is supposed to be faithful, but she won't have enough of Ian and won't be able to hold back. Secondly, Jeremy is a close enough friend of Ian's and even though they sort of had no commitment to each other up to this point, she realizes that Ian will obviously not be happy to know about such an incident behind his back that they weren't even going to tell him about.

 

[dundun]

While going through the script, I found something very interesting and would like for someone to test it in-game.
1) Pursue Ian, Robert, and Mike. Don't make Mike spend the night (lena_mike_love = False)
2) Make Ian go to the trip with Alison but don't commit (don't kiss under fireworks)
3) After the trip, have Ian and Lena enter the relationship
4) During Lena's POV, ask Robert to carry Lena's bags. Sex is optional.
5) Don't fuck Axel
6) Pay attention to Lena's monologue at the end of Saturday.

Based on the script, this playthrough should allow Lena to keep her relationship both with Robert and Mike even after becoming Ian's girlfriend, and I'm not sure it's intended outcome...

Works like a charm! Oh my god! Robert is still in the game!
:snicker:
Well, I think Mike makes sense. Lena only breaks up with him if it is a serious relationship. For Robert it seems to be a reward for helping her with her luggage.
What doesn't make sense though is that this also happens if you go for a serious relationship. Ian can eff Cindy, Lena can eff Robert after they committed to a relationship and stop "experimenting". So basically both Ian can immediately cheat on each other Lena but none of them he acknowledges it. That at least seems like a bug to me.
Edited for being wrong

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

how is babby formed

Jermy need to do way knockup teh Lena> who strech thier vegitas. becuse ian cokes to smal?

 

[XXXVAA]

Ian becomes a cuck?

lord please no.

 

[RonWeasleyJr]

I kind of hope on the Holly path (for both Ian and Lena) that Seymour fucks her to cuck Lena/Ian.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

When the hell is the flag to trigger Ian and Perry having a major falling out going to get triggered?

This is getting ridiculous: in every playthrough I have Ian treat that stuttering simp like complete crap, telling Cindy to go ahead and have a beer, not standing up for Ian when he gets into a fight with Robert, mocking him every time the game lets me, etc.

I keep waiting for Perry's "relationship value" to hit the point where the flag for Perry to kick Ian out will occur, and it never does.

Perry is the very definition of a "Scrappy:" his stuttering in an annoying storytelling gimmick, he's a sexist misogynist ("Have you p-p-pounded any p-pussy?"), he's a toxic friend.

I can't believe he's still in the story after 9 chapters.

What is it going to take to get him removed from the narrative? Fucking Emma? Cucking Wade?

WHAT!!!!!!!!!????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same here. He one of the most annoying characters, top-3 in my personal hate list.

 

[BloodyMares]

Works like a charm! Oh my god! Robert is still in the game!
:snicker:
Well, I think Mike makes sense. Lena only breaks up with him if it is a serious relationship. For Robert it seems to be a reward for helping her with her luggage.
What doesn't make sense though is that this also happens if you go for a serious relationship. Ian can eff Cindy, Lena can eff Robert after they committed to a relationship and stop "experimenting". So basically both can immediately cheat on each other but none of them acknowledges it. That at least seems like a bug to me.

Yeah, based on the script, I think Eva was working on the second opportunity to have a scene with Robert/Mike in this chapter if Ian was the one to welcome her back while at the same time realized that Lena has to break up with Robert / Mike in order to commit to Ian. But the branch where Lena met with Robert or/and Mike before committing to Ian is for some reason not accounted for. She never even comments on it. It's like she completely forgot that she needed to break up with them.

Although I wonder how ian_lena_open factors into this. It's never referenced after it's set to True. I would assume Lena would want to keep seeing Mike at least if she intends to experiment. Otherwise, if Robert and Mike are gone, it only leaves Louise, and it's hardly fair that "playing around" means that Ian gets to experience more girls but Lena can't experience more guys (unless the Jeremy path will be expanded with Ian bringing him into their relationship). Axel is not in the same league with any of Ian's hookups and would probably lead to Ian being cucked than feeling like Lena's main partner.

Lena can eff Robert after they commited to a relationship and stop "experimenting".

She can? Based on the script I see, the dialogue specifically makes Lena break up with Robert if ian_lena_couple = True. The dialogue where she can invite him for sex is triggered after filtering that condition as False unless I'm mistaken. What were your steps?

 

[HNH1985]

Is this aaa game?

 

[Doppelgang]

Best guess. To avoid the following:

"Oh great. Another black guy in the game. I don't like this because of [blahblahblahblahblah = user's own racial insecurities]."
Plus, the classic:
"Oh great. Another black guy in the game. I don't like this because of [blahblahblahblahblah = everything is racist and everyone is literally hitler]."

In effect, THIS:

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Also willing to bet Billy's little event will play out something like Tyrone's pool party in GGGB and I assume she's trying to differentiate it from Pool Party 2.0.

All just guesses though. Personally not a fan of the Billy swap at all.

Correct me if I’m wrong, cause I haven’t read close to everything neither here nor on Discord, but I can’t remember ever seeing anyone complain about this? What I did notice, was the speculation about what kind of shady way the original Billy had gotten his money, and drugs seemed to be the most common guess. If Billy from the beginning was supposed to be a spoiled brat, it makes sense from a pragmatic point of view to change his skin colour, because of the character tropes and stereotypes relating to that. (That those tropes makes us think that a black guy in a story like this must’ve gotten his money by selling drugs, while we don’t think the same when that character is white, is obviously a topic in itself. But it’s hardly Eva’s fault that those tropes exist.)

I support your guess when it comes to how Billy’s path will turn out though, and that Eva probably wants to differentiate it from GGGB. If so I think that’s a good idea; for most of the kinks in Eva’s games, they’re part of a bigger story and doesn’t “just” feel like kinks. The pool party path in GGGB felt as it was the other way around; it was just an execution of the BBC kink, and the story was secondary.

In ORS I think there’s a danger of the same thing happening. Jeremy’s personality is little more than a walking dildo, and Lena’s attraction to him is almost exclusively about his BBC. Eva confirmed in the latest Q&A that there will be more BBC options for Lena down the line, and if Billy’s change is a result of Eva deciding that she doesn’t want the BBC content to just be a straightforward execution of the kink (and in the process give more content to someone else instead… like Marcel?), I think it’s a good idea.

That’s also just speculation though, and I find it very weird that Eva hasn’t commented on the change in some way. Because from what we so far know for certain about the reasons (nothing, that is), it’s still a big WTF moment. And I’ve seen far more dissatisfaction with the change than the fact that Billy originally was just another black guy who probably would’ve offered little more than a big dick.

 

[dolfe67]

Correct me if I’m wrong, cause I haven’t read close to everything neither here nor on Discord, but I can’t remember ever seeing anyone complain about this? What I did notice, was the speculation about what kind of shady way the original Billy had gotten his money, and drugs seemed to be the most common guess. If Billy from the beginning was supposed to be a spoiled brat, it makes sense from a pragmatic point of view to change his skin colour, because of the character tropes and stereotypes relating to that. (That those tropes makes us think that a black guy in a story like this must’ve gotten his money by selling drugs, while we don’t think the same when that character is white, is obviously a topic in itself. But it’s hardly Eva’s fault that those tropes exist.)

I support your guess when it comes to how Billy’s path will turn out though, and that Eva probably wants to differentiate it from GGGB. If so I think that’s a good idea; for most of the kinks in Eva’s games, they’re part of a bigger story and doesn’t “just” feel like kinks. The pool party path in GGGB felt as it was the other way around; it was just an execution of the BBC kink, and the story was secondary.

In ORS I think there’s a danger of the same thing happening. Jeremy’s personality is little more than a walking dildo, and Lena’s attraction to him is almost exclusively about his BBC. Eva confirmed in the latest Q&A that there will be more BBC options for Lena down the line, and if Billy’s change is a result of Eva deciding that she doesn’t want the BBC content to just be a straightforward execution of the kink (and in the process give more content to someone else instead… like Marcel?), I think it’s a good idea.

That’s also just speculation though, and I find it very weird that Eva hasn’t commented on the change in some way. Because from what we so far know for certain about the reasons (nothing, that is), it’s still a big WTF moment. And I’ve seen far more dissatisfaction with the change than the fact that Billy originally was just another black guy who probably would’ve offered little more than a big dick.

Good reasoning but I mean, she didn't think about it the first time before making him black? She can't avoid tropes, be it with black or white men. Billy is now the rich white kid trope

 

[dundun]

Yeah, based on the script, I think Eva was working on the second opportunity to have a scene with Robert/Mike in this chapter if Ian was the one to welcome her back while at the same time realized that Lena has to break up with Robert / Mike in order to commit to Ian. But the branch where Lena met with Robert or/and Mike before committing to Ian is for some reason not accounted for. She never even comments on it. It's like she completely forgot that she needed to break up with them.

That doesn't really explain the v9_luggage. It is as if EvaKiss thinks the breakups were already handled at the luggage scenes which obviously they can't be.

Although I wonder how ian_lena_open factors into this. It's never referenced after it's set to True. I would assume Lena would want to keep seeing Mike at least if she intends to experiment. Otherwise, if Robert and Mike are gone, it only leaves Louise, and it's hardly fair that "playing around" means that Ian gets to experience more girls but Lena can't experience more guys (unless the Jeremy path will be expanded with Ian bringing him into their relationship). Axel is not in the same league with any of Ian's hookups and would probably lead to Ian being cucked than feeling like Lena's main partner.

It doesn't at all. And it definitely should! I remember that that (Ian effing Cindy without realizing he is cheating on Lena) was already discussed here some time ago.

It would make more sense if:
if ian_lena_couple and not ian_lena_open ditch Robert
if ian_lena_couple and (not ian_lena_open or lena_mike_love) ditch Mike
So she ditches both if the relationship is not open and also Mike if Lena is serious with him.

Or maybe EvaKiss just wants to simplify the field so some side characters get cut if IanXLena happens. Then it is an oversight not to ditch them. But then it is weird that Mike only gets cut when lena_mike_love.

She can? Based on the script I see, the dialogue specifically makes Lena break up with Robert if ian_lena_couple = True. The dialogue where she can invite him for sex is triggered after filtering that condition as False unless I'm mistaken. What were your steps?

Ah, my fault. Lena effing Robert happens after the relationship talk in the game but of course before Lena herself gets to the talk. I guess I just got too excited on the prospect of the number of Robert scenes getting into the double digits

 

[mommysboiii]

The everyday struggles of F95Zone Users.
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TRUEEEEEEEE this truly convince me that the simulation theory is true nice try toddwhat lazy coding

 

[Zirael Q]

Same here. He one of the most annoying characters, top-3 in my personal hate list.

Wasn't intentionally horrible to him myself at every chance but I sure as hell talked to him on phone while Emma was sucking the d. Nothing changed, gonna see if we can make him walk in on Emma and Ian

 

[Gato21]

Is this aaa game?

What do YOU think? Does it have a multi-million dollar budget and hundreds of people working on it? Are you a troll or stupid?

 

[Lord Bradley]

I hope it's okay to ask here, but can someone recommend me other game devs who make games of this quality? Any genre. And maybe it's better to message me not answer here publicly. Thanks in advance and sorry if I broke any rules

On valid topic of game tho, I'm really excited where it will lead that Ian talks Cindy into cheating on Wade. Originally I focused on Lena being giant slut, but I really like Cindy if she starts to be a cheat, in my opinion that just makes her mega hot

 

[Turret]

Interesting discussions! But we have to remember that keeping all relationship permutations straight is problematic for Eva, it is easy to overlook something. Just take Ian. My personal favourites among the girls for him are Alison, Lena and Holly. Just with these 3 it can get complicated.
Alison and Ian have history and feelings for each other they did not knew they had or did not recognise before. They can be in a comitted relationship, a non-comitted relationship, a comitted relationship with willing threesome exploration or a comitted relationship with cautious threesome exploration. Currently Ian can still pursue Lena and7or Holly on a couple variant paths. Even Cherry, Cindy, Emma and Minerva. Some of them at once or in exclusion.
And this path maze gets larger with Lena´s options. She can pursue Ian, Robert, Mike, Axel, Jeremy, Lousie, Holly, Stan and Seymour, partly at the same time or exclusive. If Ian and Lena are not in totally comitted relationships, the various "side relations", esp. fuck buddies, are many. No wonder that Eva needs time to straighten this out and still might overlook one or two variants.

 

[BloodyMares]

Status update post regarding my situation before releasing the Alpha draft of the guide:

Spoiler: Patreon / walkthrough status update

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