VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Doppelgang]

There wasn't a single rule dictating logic behind POV switches, it's decided by the plotlines featured in each chapter. Only Chapters 2, 3, 4, 7, and 8 have multiple switches. Chapters 1, 5, 6, and 9 have entire Ian's POV followed by Lena's POV until the end of the chapter. You can even count Chapter 2 as a linear Ian-to-Lena switch because the last Ian's POV part had nothing to do with Lena's decisions (aside from a couple of lines here and there referencing how their date went) and is mostly about meeting with Alison and Cherry. As a rule, it's very rare when Ian has to deal with Lena's decisions in the same chapter. Most often Ian starts the actual choices that impact the chapter, and then Lena reacts to them. Ian mostly reacts to Lena's choices that come from previous chapters.


I don't really see how releasing Ian's part first is supposed to go in the way of fluidity. We have to remember that Chapters come in stages: Alpha > Beta > Final. There's no point in polishing Ian's part alone to its Final stage, it only has to be playable enough so it doesn't have game-breaking bugs. So, Eva can release Ian's Alpha part, and then immediately continue working on Lena's part, releasing the full Chapter 10 Alpha with both parts present and necessary changes implemented to Ian's part, and then polish the entire chapter in the Beta and Final releases like always. It's just one extra release to compensate for increased development time. You can think of Ian's part as a pre-Alpha teaser of Chapter 10. Back in the day, Eva used to share early pre-Alpha builds of GGGB updates with top-tier patrons.

I checked through your walkthrough earlier today to see how many POV switches there actually are in the other episodes, came back here to comment on it, and realized you had already given a way more thorough account of it than I would have managed.

It's good to see that the structure of chapter 10 isn't different to many others, even two of the bigger ones. Telling all of Ian's part first before switching to Lena's is likely causing some narrative issues she'll have to find a way to solve, but the same could be said of switching several times during the chapter. At this point this might even be the easiest way to do it, especially having in mind that the size of the game and the different paths and variations are in danger of spiraling out of control. Just lay out an uncomplicated structure and stick to it.

One other thing I haven't seen mentioned, is how this might also be something Eva partially wants herself, and not just something she does to satisfy all her followers. She did mention that it's "not the way [she] envisioned it", but her vision probably wasn't for it to pass close to a year without a new chapter either; it just turned out that way because the game is so complex. She's mentioned several times how much she loves finally releasing new chapters, and I wouldn't be surprised if Eva also really feel the need to get some new content out there at this point—even though that ideally, also for her, would've been a full chapter.

 

[Ragnar]

The response on her patreon was pretty clear, the limit of "weeks" is something you just made up.

To be honest this seems somewhat absurd to me. She shouldn't develop her story in fear of offending people with controversy.

You're right of course but some developers are very sensitive to criticism, more when they intend to launch their game on Steam and want to avoid controversy or hot topics.

 

[jojogeo]

The response on her patreon was pretty clear, the limit of "weeks" is something you just made up.

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And I agree, it seems absurd to work on Lena's part and then adjust it with Ian's part feedbacks.

 

[Vernalcash]

This chapter is supposed to be big though, isn't it? Playing several hours with Ian and then with Lena might ruin the flow of the game

How? Chapter 9 was pretty big and you play as Ian first then switch to Lena and the flow was just fine.

 

[lockerxx]

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Hi guys,

After my week off I've kept working at chapter 10 and I'm almost done with Ian's part. All that's left is to finish a couple scenes and revise everything, adding and correcting when needed. The art's all drawn and I've been editing the colored versions, producing some of the final illustrations.

As I keep trying to push the pace, manage all the aspects of the project and the business and keep the final quality to the standard you're used to, I struggle between taking my time and rushing, and as you know, I always feel like I'm lagging behind. My goal is to provide the best game I can, but also to keep you entertained with content, and I hate feeling I'm taking too long.

Some of you suggested in the past that I could release the chapters in two separate blocks, since Ian and Lena have parallel story lines. It's not the way I envisioned it, but you guys deserve some content and I've decided that's the way I'll do it for Chapter 10. This way you'll be able to play Ian's part of the chapter during August, and I can also share with you the results of all the work that we've been doing during these past weeks.

I'll finish writing everything this week and keep working on finalizing the art, then all that's left would be to playtest and iron out all the bugs. Hopefully you can enjoy all the new scenes and story developments, and Lena's part should be coming shortly after.

Thanks again for your support and I hope you'll enjoy what's coming

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this is only for Chapter 10 or is the new format?

 

[BlandChili]

this is only for Chapter 10 or is the new format?

Don't think that's determined. It might depend on the feedback the chapter receives.

 

[Existence X]

Finally new Cindy content hopefully

 

[whizwart]

I tried it. Didn't work. Could you tell what you picked for her dialog, please?

I don't recall specifics, but just be generally disrespctful.

 

[Doppelgang]

I don't recall specifics, but just be generally disrespctful.

I like your dedication to give an answer, even thought the question was asked more than three months ago

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

There wasn't a single rule dictating logic behind POV switches, it's decided by the plotlines featured in each chapter. Only Chapters 2, 3, 4, 7, and 8 have multiple switches. Chapters 1, 5, 6, and 9 have entire Ian's POV followed by Lena's POV until the end of the chapter. You can even count Chapter 2 as a linear Ian-to-Lena switch because the last Ian's POV part had nothing to do with Lena's decisions (aside from a couple of lines here and there referencing how their date went) and is mostly about meeting with Alison and Cherry. As a rule, it's very rare when Ian has to deal with Lena's decisions in the same chapter. Most often Ian starts the actual choices that impact the chapter, and then Lena reacts to them. Ian mostly reacts to Lena's choices that come from previous chapters.

Ah. That makes sense. I know both Ian and Lena's choices affected each other's paths in the same chapter from remembering various chapter's playthroughs, but didn't realize not all chapters worked that way. You'd know best, having worked on the guide for so long.

 

[Night Hacker]

why you cuck guys want put cuck stuff in every game.

Just to bug YOU! Heck, I am creating a VN and I plan to make sure it is in there just to bother people like you.

 

[lipe2410]

then go play the cuck games, don't try to turn every game into a cuck game.

Since the beginning this game has a setup for cuckold with Ian being able to ask Jeremy for photos/videos of him (Jeremy) fucking Alison if players choose it. Not my thing by far, that's why i avoid it, but you rant against "cuck stuff" in a game that already have it doesn't make much sense.

 

[neutral1]

The thing that I imagine could be counterproductive for Eva with releasing Ian's part first and then Lena's part is that she might find when she is working on Lena's part of the story that she might have a new idea and want to change something on Ian's side of the story as the two go hand in hand. If she has already released Ian's part, it limits her ability to be able to make these changes unless of course she does another remaster or makes these changes in the final release of the chapter. I fear this release structure she has proposed will interfere with her creative process and put further restrictions on her writing and development of the chapters in the future. I hope I am wrong, but I think having the creative freedoms and fluidity to make changes to the writing of the chapter anytime before the chapter release is important for the writer's vision of the project, especially for someone like Eva who many have said use the gardening method in her writing.

The cynic in me sees an Ian update in the same cycle - alpha/beta/final? But before Lena's section comes out, there will be an Ian rewrite release.

 

[evilkitty97]

I love Netori(taking others' partner).
Cindy in this game's case is the Netori path.
An amazing plus too because she is truly gorgeous and slender. Not much slender beauties in the game, unlike GGGB.

Dont know about you guys, but Ian isnt technically a cuckold in the game yet.
Because he isnt officially a thing with anyone.
Except that last part with Lena.

I wish there was a path wherein you dont have to do the photoshoot in order to be with Cindy, that was one hell of a chaotic mix of Netori and Netorase(sharing), which got me confused AF.

In fact, everything is mixed up in the game.
The relationships, the feelings, the kinks.
Its not as simple and direct as GGGB is.

 

[Eye-switcher]

To be fair we don't know what end result of the split is going to be, i doubt even the developer knows yet.
It might work out just fine, but end result is still an unfinished update and more delays.
Looking at the whole picture from the revamp (like it or not, worth it or not) until the unfinished split its really alooot of waiting which makes the whole game suffer and the developer to loose goodwill. Don't know if it hurts financially as her supporters seem to pay no matter what but in a lot of other businesses it certainly would.

 

[Badboll]

I don't really see how releasing Ian's part first is supposed to go in the way of fluidity

I don't think it will when everything is released. I don't see how that would happen.
Sure I'd rather have an alpha of the whole chapter at once, but I don't mind a part 1 earlier and a part 2 later.
I'm still probably getting the whole chapter 10 when I was supposed to anyway.
I mean getting her supporters some content earlier is by no means bad for her financially I don't think.
Even if most of the comments i saw on patreon said they'd rather she release everything at once.
It gets tough to release in a timely manner when you go full chapters at once. Especially when they get bigger. Which is why most devs don't and when they have and change to smaller updates the game suffers for some reason. (The Adventurous Couple is one that comes to mind)

 

[mr.hong]

Did Jeremy make Alison creampied? Their conversation in threesome video probably means Jeremy cum inside last time(maybe Ch7 video)

 

[TheBigWater]

why you cuck guys want put cuck stuff in every game.

NTR fans, like Jehovah's Witnesses, run from one thread to another and promote their weird stuff where they are not expected and not welcome

Oh, IDK, Probably for the same reason you want the things you like in a game. TO JERK OFF TO IT!

Seriously. Its not rocket surgery around here.

then go play the cuck games, don't try to turn every game into a cuck game.

Does it mean playing sex games or watching porn is making people cuck? Because you are not the one that you are fcking, you are the one that's watching it.
I mean i know what you wanted to say guys but in my save Lena is not with Ian so i can't see where "cuck" theme is there. In my playthrough Ian is with Holly and is "brother from another mother" with Jeremy. If i had a chance to send to Jeremy video where Ian is fcking Holly i would do that for my bro Jeremy because he did the same for me lol. There are already scene's where Jeremy is sending Alison pics to Ian. I don't understand why it's okay but if that would be Lena it's not okay

 

[JohnnyKiss]

then go play the cuck games, don't try to turn every game into a cuck game.

This is a cuck game, tho? There literally is a "NTR" tag...

 

[BlandChili]

It's whatever kind of game you want it to be.

I'd argue ORS isn't the most optimal game for cuckoldry, but the content is there if you like to choose it.