VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Geralt From Rivia]

Does it mean playing sex games or watching porn is making people cuck? Because you are not the one that you are fcking, you are the one that's watching it.
I mean i know what you wanted to say guys but in my save Lena is not with Ian so i can't see where "cuck" theme is there. In my playthrough Ian is with Holly and is "brother from another mother" with Jeremy. If i had a chance to send to Jeremy video where Ian is fcking Holly i would do that for my bro Jeremy because he did the same for me lol. There are already scene's where Jeremy is sending Alison pics to Ian. I don't understand why it's okay but if that would be Lena it's not okay

Here I partially agree with you, the path with Jeremy that you described is not cuckold, it's more like "sharing girls for sex". They are friends with benefits, but not couples.
We all know the definition of a cuckold. A man who gives his wife/girlfriend to other men and enjoys it. The psychology of considering cuckold fetishism as a variant of masochism when a cuckold takes pleasure in humiliation. At the same time, unlike "open relationships", cuck doesn't have the right to have affairs with other women.
I want to say right away - I have nothing against games that have a cuckold theme - I just bypass them. If there is an optional NTR in the game (in the understanding of the cuck, I don’t mind stealing someone else’s girl) - I will bypass it. Judging by the reactions to my post, which turned out to be controversial.
I wrote about some individuals who love this genre. They are really too intrusive and love to get into the thread with their fantasies "I want to watch Lena get fucked by Axel, Ian looks, jerks off and can't do anything" It's a little creepy and weird, isn't it? [Louise Mod Activated]
At the moment, there is no full-fledged NTR cuckolding for Ian in the game. But knowing Eva, she will most likely add this.

 

[Night Hacker]

Since the beginning this game has a setup for cuckold with Ian being able to ask Jeremy for photos/videos of him (Jeremy) fucking Alison if players choose it. Not my thing by far, that's why i avoid it, but you rant against "cuck stuff" in a game that already have it doesn't make much sense.

Nah, that's not cucking unless Ian and Jeremy are a couple. It's just normal friends bragging about their female conquests. I haven't seen any cucking in this game. Cheating, but that's not the same.

 

[alexferno]

Here I partially agree with you, the path with Jeremy that you described is not cuckold, it's more like "sharing girls for sex". They are friends with benefits, but not couples.
We all know the definition of a cuckold. A man who gives his wife/girlfriend to other men and enjoys it. The psychology of considering cuckold fetishism as a variant of masochism when a cuckold takes pleasure in humiliation. At the same time, unlike "open relationships", cuck doesn't have the right to have affairs with other women.
I want to say right away - I have nothing against games that have a cuckold theme - I just bypass them. If there is an optional NTR in the game (in the understanding of the cuck, I don’t mind stealing someone else’s girl) - I will bypass it. Judging by the reactions to my post, which turned out to be controversial.
I wrote about some individuals who love this genre. They are really too intrusive and love to get into the thread with their fantasies "I want to watch Lena get fucked by Axel, Ian looks, jerks off and can't do anything" It's a little creepy and weird, isn't it? [Louise Mod Activated]
At the moment, there is no full-fledged NTR cuckolding for Ian in the game. But knowing Eva, she will most likely add this.

Nah, that's not cucking unless Ian and Jeremy are a couple. It's just normal friends bragging about their female conquests. I haven't seen any cucking in this game. Cheating, but that's not the same.

Depending on your choices, Ian can also have a voyeuristic kink and asks Jeremy to send pictures of him fucking Alison/Emma/Louise? and masturbates to those pictures.
Cheat‌ing, NTR and Cuckolding are different things. NTR revolves around the idea of a loved one being stolen through sex. Cuckolding is consensual and desired by the cuck.

 

[Tiago Patrício]

Any news?

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Nah, that's not cucking unless Ian and Jeremy are a couple. It's just normal friends bragging about their female conquests. I haven't seen any cucking in this game. Cheating, but that's not the same.

Disagree here. It's not 100% cuckolding in the technical sense. But Ian repeatedly getting off to watching a huge-dicked friend dicking down a girl he likes and has the hots for is cuck-lite at the very least. Extremely on-theme for that sort of fetish. It's kind of in the ballpark of someone claiming not to be gay for licking the occasional nut but never going full-blown anal.

 

[Night Hacker]

Depending on your choices, Ian can also have a voyeuristic kink and asks Jeremy to send pictures of him fucking Alison/Emma/Louise? and masturbates to those pictures.
Cheat‌ing, NTR and Cuckolding are different things. NTR revolves around the idea of a loved one being stolen through sex. Cuckolding is consensual and desired by the cuck.

According to Wikipedia: "Cuckold: Husband of an adulterous wife"
According to Merriam-Webster: "Cuckold: a man whose wife is unfaithful"

So no, it doesn't apply to Ian and Jeremy. Doesn't apply to anyone in this game. Both NTR and cuck's seem to be the same and basically consentual where usually the guy likes his wife fooling around on him. None of them refer to friends sharing pics of their female conquests.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

According to Wikipedia: "Cuckold: Husband of an adulterous wife"
According to Merriam-Webster: "Cuckold: a man whose wife is unfaithful"

So no, it doesn't apply to Ian and Jeremy. Doesn't apply to anyone in this game. Both NTR and cuck's seem to be the same and basically consentual where usually the guy likes his wife fooling around on him. None of them refer to friends sharing pics of their female conquests.

That's why I said not 100% on technical definition in my post. But this is surely in the ballpark for those into such a fetish.

 

[Night Hacker]

That's why I said not 100% on technical definition in my post. But this is surely in the ballpark for those into such a fetish.

Sorry, no disrespect intended, but I strongly disagree. They're not a couple, just friends sharing pics of their female conquests. It simply doesn't quality, not even close, I mean, heck, they're both males and not even close to married.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Sorry, no disrespect intended, but I strongly disagree. They're not a couple, just friends sharing pics of their female conquests. It simply doesn't quality, not even close, I mean, heck, they're both males and not even close to married.

I know you're doing an Ian/Jeremy joke here. But still, my point is that an Ian getting off to this is in the ballpark for people into that kink. It all depends on how the user plays their Ian though. If he's played "alpha" competitive where they're exchanging girls, then it's more "no homo" dude-bro. If it's played with an Ian that's not out smashing every night, there are strong cuck tones even though it isn't cuckoldry by definition. Especially considering that in the majority of paths where this is accessible, Ian hasn't done his best with Alison. Eva included these scenes for a reason and based on both the choices Ian can make here and some strong tones from Eva's last game, I'd bet a large part of it was to appease that demo.

Keep in mind, this is a game of choices with a lot of paths, trying to please a bunch of different users. That's a large part of why it's been so difficult for Eva to make.

 

[alexferno]

According to Wikipedia: "Cuckold: Husband of an adulterous wife"
According to Merriam-Webster: "Cuckold: a man whose wife is unfaithful"

So no, it doesn't apply to Ian and Jeremy. Doesn't apply to anyone in this game. Both NTR and cuck's seem to be the same and basically consentual where usually the guy likes his wife fooling around on him. None of them refer to friends sharing pics of their female conquests.

I didn't say it applied to anyone in the game. There's no "real" cuck content in the game yet, but it seems to be headed in that direction.
NTR and cuckolding aren't the same thing. Cuckolding is consensual, whereas NTR doesn't have to be consensual. Sometimes the person getting NTR'd is oblivious to the whole thing.

Spoiler: Variations of NTR

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[dontcarewhateverno]

I didn't say it applied to anyone in the game. There's no "real" cuck content in the game yet, but it seems to be headed in that direction.
NTR and cuckolding aren't the same thing. Cuckolding is consensual, whereas NTR doesn't have to be consensual. Sometimes the person getting NTR'd is oblivious to the whole thing.

Spoiler: Variations of NTR

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Cuckolding isn't always consensual either or always enjoyed by the person being cucked. The original term was actually used to denote a man whose wife was cheating on him, assumingly without his consent. It's all the linguistics of constantly evolving words meaning different things to different people. Most using your definition are people into NTR in that circle of the internet. Others not generally familiar with the term NTR wouldn't mostly define it like that. Honestly, most of these definitions are in flux, especially with the catalyst of the internet, with the majority of people using them just making things up as they go along, based on how they became familiar with the terms. Linguistics be crazy like that.

But basically there's now a fetish term and a technical term, the former disagreed upon and constantly redefined much more than the latter.

 

[alexferno]

Cuckolding isn't always consensual either or always enjoyed by the person being cucked. The original term was actually used to denote a man whose wife was cheating on him, assumingly without his consent. It's all the linguistics of constantly evolving words meaning different things to different people. Most using your definition are people into NTR in that circle of the internet. Others not generally familiar with the term NTR wouldn't mostly define it like that. Honestly, most of these definitions are in flux, especially with the catalyst of the internet, with the majority of people using them just making things up as they go along, based on how they became familiar with the terms. Linguistics be crazy like that.

But basically there's now a fetish term and a technical term, the former disagreed upon and constantly redefined much more than the latter.

How do you differentiate these two terms?

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

How would you differentiate these two terms?

Technical: Simply a man whose s/o is cheating on him or sleeps with other men, with or without his consent. Fetish term: Constantly changing & a pretty large umbrella. But being that it's a fetish, that would mean the person with the fetish gets some sexual gratification from the idea of an s/o (real or imagined) either cheating on them or openly getting railed by other guys - though usually not leaving them for those other guys, which is more on the NTR end. Ironically, current plot points in ORS more align with the technical definition (Ian/Cindy can cuck Wade, for instance). But the Jeremy/Alison/Ian cellphone situation more spiritually aligns with the second term. Even if the situation isn't a 100% match, it does have a set-up in that theme. Considering the amount of work it takes to make any scene in the game & based on the decisions it takes to get to those scenes, I can only imagine they were included at least partially to please those fetishists, even if you can play it off as a dude-bros swapping photos thing too, depending on your path. Not sure if Eva will ever go full on cuck with this one like she did with GGGB though, since as you can see from many of these forum posts, some people would flip the fuck out, even if they could just avoid that path. Even in a choice-based game, "preferences for me, but not for thee".

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Here are some basics back to the topic, though. Eva has made two games. In 2/2 games, she's intentionally created scenarios where a male character jerks off to a girl he's either into or dating getting railed by a huge black dick. (Also worth noting with Alison that she's also still into Ian emotionally, not Jeremy, even if she's screwing J). On top of that, both games feature multiple paths with female MC screwing around on her boyfriend (both committed and non) with a host of other guys. There are enough paths where you can avoid all of this, but plenty of paths where it's a huge part of the game, too. Given the rarity of that situation in the vast majority of non-cuck/NTR games and the host of fetishes she could've included but didn't, it's hard to conclude this wasn't one of the variety of demographics she was trying to hit when designing them. Even if the second game doesn't yet have an outright, checks-every-single-column-on-the-list cuck path that the first game did, the elements are still very much there.

So, sorry, guys! You're playing a cuck game! lol. Nah. I'm not saying that at all. But I think that's what some people fear. "How will I think of myself now?!?" Which is why they're so aggressive about it.

But you are playing a game with a multitude of paths and an aim to please a multitude of people. Deal with it.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

What the fuck is going on?! How did this whole thread turn into people arguing over NTR?!

 

[Night Hacker]

How do you differentiate these two terms?

Cucking and NTR are the same, it's just they come from different cultures. NTR originating from Japanese, Cuckold being an English term, but BOTH referring to the same thing... usually when a husband likes his wife cheating on him. But I see people applying the terms to all sorts of ridiculous scenarios.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Disagree here. It's not 100% cuckolding in the technical sense. But Ian repeatedly getting off to watching a huge-dicked friend dicking down a girl he likes and has the hots for is cuck-lite at the very least. Extremely on-theme for that sort of fetish. It's kind of in the ballpark of someone claiming not to be gay for licking the occasional nut but never going full-blown anal.

My Ian is also watching on the phone as Jeremy bangs Alison, only this is not a cuckold but a voyeuristic fetish. And he doesn't like Alison, he immediately threw it off for Jeremy, preferring Cherry. So very far from cuckolding.
So like the Night Hacker said, it's just two guys sharing achievements.

 

[Night Hacker]

What the fuck is going on?! How did this whole thread turn into people arguing over NTR?!

Someone cried about cucking in this when there was none. Someone else felt that Ian was a cuck to Jeremy which is completely false and required the definitions to be posted and the ignorance exploded from there... I really need to learn to avoid these discussions as facts don't seem to matter and people love to argue them.

 

[Tallyhoe]

I'd argue NTR and cuckolding, literally means the same thing. But practically most of the time in western media sense it is used when the husband or boyfriend gives consent and enjoy seeing their significant other taken away. But NTR in japanese sense, most of the time, means wife/gf being taken away without consent from bf/hubby, only to may be discovered later for the full effect, or if not discovered, we are the 4th wall witnesses.

NTR is like Cuckold+Corruption+Cheating altogether.

So I think ORS can fall into both category; cuckolding if Ian enjoys it openly, and NTR if Ian is interested and pursue Lena while she, knowingly so, still fucks around and we as the players witness this. (Ian also can find out she fucks Robert)

Depends on how you play and the scenarios in your head really.

 

[selberdreher]

As someone who has a relatively neutral stand towards cuckoldry and NTR, but with a slight bias for non-NTR and cuckoldry, i'd like to share my thoughts from perhaps the silent majority (sorry, that's just an assumption). Relatively neutral means sometimes i like this content, more often not, and sometimes i get annoyed by it.
I Liked both sides of the argument, because i think so far the discussion was rather civilized and both sides had their points going for them.
I think depending on your playthrough and how you set-up YourIan both views are valid. Night Hackers and Geralt_From_Rivias view of Bros sharing their conquests is just as correct as dontcarewhatevernos Ian is getting off being cucked by Jeremy. So, depending on your playthrough there is or is not this kind of content in the game.

Let me tell you about my playthrough sofar, and you decide if it is NTR or something else:
I don't like Allison, so i gladly shipped her with Jeremy, and he sent myIan pics from it.
I am not a huge fan of Emma, i like her character as a friend for Ian and Lena, but i am not into her body and face. So i tried to get Perry to date her.
MyIan is banging Cindy, Lena, Cherry and Minerva and tries to get into Hollys pants. MyIan is not interested in Ivy.
I gave Axel some leeway with both Lena and Cindy, because i think it is more rewarding to beat Axel at his own game, and it is more exciting to take on a challenge which you can actually loose, than to play for a secure win.
MyLena and MyIan are dating, but are not commited, yet. Robert was banging MyLena, MyIan beat the crap out of him, MyLena ditched Ian for a tryst with Robert, and ultimately kicked him out mid-intercourse, because he got too pushy and annoying. Which was perhaps the most satisfiying thing in my playthrough sofar, i celebrated that.

So is MyIan a Chad or a Cuck?