VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Geralt From Rivia]

It wouldn't hurt to walk away then and to stop spreading bad vibes. If it's dead anyway why bother?

He's a troll, don't pay attention to him

 

[PurpleDude]

I`ve personally stopped supporting eva on Patreon since january. Do not see that her patreon count drops significantly for the past year. I genuinely do not understand what incentive Eva has to continue working hard. Seems like she will be supported no matter what.
I love this game and it hurts knowing that even if i throw at Eva all my money, it wont speed up process, not even for a day.

 

[Arata20]

Do not see that her patreon count drops significantly for the past year.

They waiting next update. I'm sure if chapter 11 is also delayed that much, patrons will start to get "suspicious".

 

[balvenie1401]

They waiting next update. I'm sure if chapter 11 is also delayed that much, patrons will start to get "suspicious".

You're overestimating people, sorry to say.. if she can go 9+ months without any tangible drop in support that proves to some degree that people are dumb enough to just keep paying, no questions asked :/

 

[Tulrek]

dead project

 

[BloodyMares]

I`ve personally stopped supporting eva on Patreon since january. Do not see that her patreon count drops significantly for the past year. I genuinely do not understand what incentive Eva has to continue working hard. Seems like she will be supported no matter what.

That's some weird reverse logic. The more people you have supporting you, the more responsibility you feel to make them happy. If the number drops considerably, then there's no point in working as hard as you were anymore, because your effort is not appreciated so why bother sacrificing sleep time or rush yourself for something very few people will appreciate or if it doesn't pay as much as you think your time is worth.

 

[bauman]

That's some weird reverse logic. The more people you have supporting you, the more responsibility you feel to make them happy.

To be fair, this only applies if you're a responsible person. After so many irresponsible developers and abandoned projects, I don't blame people for being weary of projects with ever-increasing development time frames.

 

[Doppelgang]

That's some weird reverse logic. The more people you have supporting you, the more responsibility you feel to make them happy. If the number drops considerably, then there's no point in working as hard as you were anymore, because your effort is not appreciated so why bother sacrificing sleep time or rush yourself for something very few people will appreciate or if it doesn't pay as much as you think your time is worth.

Yeah, the statement “I genuinely do not understand what incentive Eva has to continue working hard” is just weird, as if it’s impossible to imagine that people also work hard because they like what they do and generally feel a duty to do a good job.

dead project

One beautiful day, if I suddenly have an abundance of time I have no other way to use, I’m gonna trawl through hundreds and hundreds of pages of this thread, to curate the ultimate top list of the absolutely best DeAd PrOjEcT / tHe DeV iS a MiLkEr posts ever written. Thé level of that list will be so high

 

[por12]

That's some weird reverse logic. The more people you have supporting you, the more responsibility you feel to make them happy. If the number drops considerably, then there's no point in working as hard as you were anymore, because your effort is not appreciated so why bother sacrificing sleep time or rush yourself for something very few people will appreciate or if it doesn't pay as much as you think your time is worth.

pretty sure no one would work 10 to earn 100 while he could work 10 to earn 1000
the dev of this game simple got that his patreons allow for longer time between updates and this is the result: one update a year

 

[rayso12]

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[BloodyMares]

To be fair, this only applies if you're a responsible person. After so many irresponsible developers and abandoned projects, I don't blame people for being weary of projects with ever-increasing development time frames.

True, but if the dev is irresponsible, why making less money should make them work harder if they don't like working hard at all? They just won't if it's not something they're passionate about anymore. The more likely scenario is that the game gets abandoned and they start fresh, trying to get new patrons to support the new game that is fun for them to make.

Is it possible that Eva got used to a laid-back no-rush development? Sure, but it's likely that it comes from anxiety that the project of such magnitude brings. You tell yourself that small progress is better than none because when you panic in a rush mode, your brain stops working and you hit a full stop. If all these milking / lazy accusations end up being true, losing patrons will not make Eva suddenly go overdrive and return to the pace of Chapters 1 - 7 because it's simply not possible. At worst she'll have to cancel the project (can't afford colorist / coder etc) and try making another game that is much simpler which would allow her to release monthly updates once again. But then there's a risk of hitting mediocrity, where update speed becomes top priority instead of quality or interesting ideas, resulting in Eva's games becoming stale copies of each other. Is that something that "game dead" commenters want to happen?

 

[JoJoPool]

True, but if the dev is irresponsible, why making less money should make them work harder if they don't like working hard at all? They just won't if it's not something they're passionate about anymore. The more likely scenario is that the game gets abandoned and they start fresh, trying to get new patrons to support the new game that is fun for them to make.

Is it possible that Eva got used to a laid-back no-rush development? Sure, but it's likely that it comes from anxiety that the project of such magnitude brings. You tell yourself that small progress is better than none because when you panic in a rush mode, your brain stops working and you hit a full stop. If all these milking / lazy accusations end up being true, losing patrons will not make Eva suddenly go overdrive and return to the pace of Chapters 1 - 7 because it's simply not possible. At worst she'll have to cancel the project (can't afford colorist / coder etc) and try making another game that is much simpler which would allow her to release monthly updates once again. But then there's a risk of hitting mediocrity, where update speed becomes top priority instead of quality or interesting ideas, resulting in Eva's games becoming stale copies of each other. Is that something that "game dead" commenters want to happen?

yes i would rather have a new game with monthly updates than wait a year for each update for the sake of quality, sure there is a risk of mediocrity like you said but there's also a risk of losing support because people are getting fed up with waiting too long, even if her patreons are extremely patient everyone has a limit and it will become intolerable at some point in the future
take GGGB for example, it was a mediocre game compared to ORS but everyone was happy with it.
Eva is a perfectionist, while that is a good trait it will also be her downfall, not everything needs to be perfect, she has to realise that for the sake of her own sanity.

 

[patachoucs]

yes i would rather have a new game with monthly updates than wait a year for each update for the sake of quality, sure there is a risk of mediocrity like you said but there's also a risk of losing support because people are getting fed up with waiting too long, even if her patreons are extremely patient everyone has a limit and it will become intolerable at some point in the future
take GGGB for example, it was a mediocre game compared to ORS but everyone was happy with it.
Eva is a perfectionist, while that is a good trait it will also be her downfall, not everything needs to be perfect, she has to realise that for the sake of her own sanity.

And people wonder how companies such as EA manages to make hits after hits and bank millions of dollars.

Take your "Crappy Generic Game k2022", I'll keep games such as ORS, even with slower updates rates. Thank you very much.

 

[JoJoPool]

And people wonder how companies such as EA manages to make hits after hits and bank millions of dollars.

Take your "Crappy Generic Game k2022", I'll keep games such as ORS, even with slower updates rates. Thank you very much.

let's not forget that this is just a porn game not an AAA game, there's no need for it to be so complex or try to be perfect in every aspect. GGGB is mediocre by ORS standards but does that make it a bad game ? no. It is a simple fun corruption game, has a ton of fetishes and it pleased everyone. It is a great game, i'm still discovering new scenes in it till this day it's mind blowing.

 

[KingNtr++]

Slowly processing XD

 

[RoboticCatDogHybrid]

dead project

 

[penelo1606]

dead project

 

[_Zebra_]

Is it possible that Eva got used to a laid-back no-rush development? Sure, but it's likely that it comes from anxiety that the project of such magnitude brings. You tell yourself that small progress is better than none because when you panic in a rush mode, your brain stops working and you hit a full stop. If all these milking / lazy accusations end up being true, losing patrons will not make Eva suddenly go overdrive and return to the pace of Chapters 1 - 7 because it's simply not possible.

For me laid-back no-rush development sounds like the type of project where you work only 4h a day and you don't have any real dead lines for anything. If I understood correctly, you said that, that is ok because everyday you progress bit by bit. However, I don't understand the alternative. Do you try to say that working 8h leads to you not working at all ?!? That makes no sense, unless you had something like this in mind:

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Or maybe you view the laid-back no-rush development more on this lines: you work 8h a day, but if something is not ready by the end of the week you just say, that's fine, I'll keep working on it on Monday, instead of doing overtime. So you end up missing one deadline and then another and another. And slowly you get from a 2 months development time to 6 months. And also from 8h of work per day to only 6h, because you don't want to feel rushed in any way.

 

[bauman]

True, but if the dev is irresponsible, why making less money should make them work harder if they don't like working hard at all? They just won't if it's not something they're passionate about anymore. The more likely scenario is that the game gets abandoned and they start fresh, trying to get new patrons to support the new game that is fun for them to make.

As far as Patreon/Subscribestar/Whatever-backed smut games go, once you hit the 'big leagues' and establish a loyal fan base, you're free to slack off as long as you don't become too arrogant. The trickle-down of paying fans is minuscule. If you bother to release something, anything really, on a semi-regular basis, your number of paying customers will only go up. You have to work hard to fuck it up.

Is it possible that Eva got used to a laid-back no-rush development? Sure, but it's likely that it comes from anxiety that the project of such magnitude brings. You tell yourself that small progress is better than none because when you panic in a rush mode, your brain stops working and you hit a full stop. If all these milking / lazy accusations end up being true, losing patrons will not make Eva suddenly go overdrive and return to the pace of Chapters 1 - 7 because it's simply not possible. At worst she'll have to cancel the project (can't afford colorist / coder etc) and try making another game that is much simpler which would allow her to release monthly updates once again. But then there's a risk of hitting mediocrity, where update speed becomes top priority instead of quality or interesting ideas, resulting in Eva's games becoming stale copies of each other. Is that something that "game dead" commenters want to happen?

My honest opinion is that Eva Kiss went over her head with this very ambitious project for a single dev and experienced burnout after working hard to keep up with the GGGB pace of updates. Eventually, that became a creative roadblock, and then she saw that she was not losing many Patreon supporters despite the ever-increasing development time.

I get that she might feel bad about the situation, but at the same time, there's no real incentive for her to hurry up a bit. 80%+ of her patrons made it clear they were more than happy to wait. So, she'll take her time, mull over things, work at a slower pace and not stress too much about the whole situation, you know? In her GGGB days, she had more trouble getting money when she was pumping out monthly updates than she does now. It's a double-edged sword because it can better the game in the short term, or we might get an abandoned tag in the future because a project needs a certain minimal pace of production to feel alive, viable, and still fresh.

I mean look at this:



The dev had a 2% drop in earnings in the past year despite releasing only two updates, one of which was a complete retread. Once an update drops, the number of patrons will increase quickly, while the drop-off will trickle down for months. Don't hate the player -- hate the game.

 

[Yokanzo]

let's not forget that this is just a porn game not an AAA game, there's no need for it to be so complex or try to be perfect in every aspect. GGGB is mediocre by ORS standards but does that make it a bad game ? no. It is a simple fun corruption game, has a ton of fetishes and it pleased everyone. It is a great game, i'm still discovering new scenes in it till this day it's mind blowing.

ORS is a porn game, yes. But the character drama it portrays is compelling and you can kinda lose yourself in the game universe enjoying the various ways and freedom you have to play it. Obviously it'll never have AAA level production values and standards but I tend to enjoy well written stories and characters that give you a reason to give a shit. I find with these games if you just throw sex at me as a yes/no proposition with no build up I get bored fast and the sex isn't even all that exciting.

I like it when the story can stand on its own merits and the porn is a bonus versus other games that work like a 1970s era feature length porn movie. Where every single plot device revolves around triggering a sex scene and the characters and story are more a novelty than a serious consideration.