VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[JohnnyKiss]

Aw man... I come here once a month and I still can't tell how much of a progress has been made...

What are the projections for the Update to come out? December? Or is it the next year?

With the current pace it seems very likely we get it at the end of December.

 

[Rickster82]

Real talk now folks: has anyone ever thought of the possibility that these "status reports" are just stalling tactics to keep getting money and the game is already a finished topic for the developer?

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Real talk now folks: has anyone ever thought of the possibility that these "status reports" are just stalling tactics to keep getting money and the game is already a finished topic for the developer?

I doubt it. I think it's far more likely that the dev is simply struggling with which direction the story will take. She seems to be avoiding the same situations from her previous game which might also be what complicates the whole situation, besides the whole "Steam Guidelines" that limit what she can and cannot do. (which is why there is no Incest planned like in GGGB).

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Isn't that Ian ex-girlfriend?

But she's not a new character.

 

[Satiro]

Eva, Iris or Nat..................

 

[BlackIsBetter]

I think it means that the work is coming to an end. As Eva said, she is thinking of finishing the writing by the end of October and moving on to the final part. This is testing and polishing, so I expect the release before the end of November. Usually alphas came out at the end of the month, on the 22nd-25th. Maybe.

So in a month and a half? I wouldn't call that "coming to an end" but alright. How long would that be since Chapter 9 was out?

 

[lipe2410]

So in a month and a half? I wouldn't call that "coming to an end" but alright. How long would that be since Chapter 9 was out?

Almost a year

 

[BlackIsBetter]

Almost a year

No, seriously, how long? I don't believe any developer would take a whole year just for a single update.

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Eva, Iris or Nat..................

Natasha makes the most sense IMO, she's the least influenced by the choices the player makes in GGGB. With Eva and Iris EvaKiss would give a "canon" version of the character if they appeared. Yes, she did that with Jessica, but she also made the meta joke about it when Ian is tripping on mushrooms (very good scene, by the way). Nat would also bring the experience of a healthy open relationship into ORS, which could give the MC's some ideas...

No, seriously, how long? I don't believe any developer would take a whole year just for a single update.

Chapter 9 remastered came out in april this year.

 

[lipe2410]

No, seriously, how long? I don't believe any developer would take a whole year just for a single update.

It's a year between ch. 9 and 10, but she didn't spend all this time on ch. 10. After ch. 9 she took a break and then made a remaster of the first 9 chapters. Only after that she srtated ch. 10 work

 

[BlackIsBetter]

Natasha makes the most sense IMO, she's the least influenced by the choices the player makes in GGGB. With Eva and Iris EvaKiss would give a "canon" version of the character if they appeared. Yes, she did that with Jessica, but she also made the meta joke about it when Ian is tripping on mushrooms (very good scene, by the way). Nat would also bring the experience of a healthy open relationship into ORS, which could give the MC's some ideas...

Chapter 9 remastered came out in april this year.

So that makes it 6 months for an update (so far)? 7 if we assume a release in November? I guess I'll go in a hybernation for another month like I usually do XD

 

[_Zebra_]

How many lines of code did chapter 9 have? So, uhm, what's left is the difference in length between Chapter 9 and Chapter 7, and then some more.

I'm gonna be honest, this doesn't sound like a November release either. If I had to take a guess, I'd say December maybe. Then again, I don't know the difference between Chapter 7 and 9, so maybe it's not that much?

Ch 5 which was used to describe Ian side of the story, in early July, had 12 250 (I will round the number up a bit)
Ch 7 had 23 650
Ch 9 had 21 677
This is just an opinion, but i think that Ch10 will have around 24 000 - 25 000 lines in total. However, you can't use this number to calculate the release window. Ian side of the story took another 2 months to be finished (after the July announcement) and unless the chapter is really unbalanced, the total length didn't grew; it's still ~12k. Another ~12k for Lena and that's about it.

Tbf, anything less then 3 updates worth of content should be considered a blatant failure since ch. 10 had a dev cycle of over a year, that's IF it gets released at the end of Nov.. Given it's taken 3-4 times as long as a normal chapter it SHOULD be huge (or frankly "normal size" for that amount of time)..

If you expect "3 updates worth of content", you will be disappointed. It's quite clear from all the updates, that the chapter won't be any different in size, compared with the last 3 updates.
"I can't assure if the length of a single play-through will be longer though, since a lot of the content is mutually exclusive"

Considering that after the remaster, all the saves are gone, if you didn't spent time to remake them, you might actually end up with a shorter playthrough in this update.

hopefully that holds to be true, the remaster was said to change a LOT about the game but look at how that turned out... I'll still keep my expectations low regarding the amount of content we'll get but no doubt the quality and writing will be top notch as always.

We will see. I want to find out what this really means: "every single scene is layered and plays out in a variety of ways" and "the hardest one to write thus far, for several reasons, one of them being it's mechanical complexity". After the alpha is out, I will draw my own conclusions about the complexity of chapter 10 (compared with the others). Until then, I will expect an update that is slightly bigger than the average, that will be released around Christmas. Maybe end of November, if the writing is finished in the next 3 weeks.

 

[Rickster82]

The problem, of course, is the height of the fall. The longer the update lasts, the higher the expectations of the players. But experience shows that it is usually a proverbial shot backwards.
I would appreciate more Ian content. More interactions and sex with the ladies. Maybe also a little teaser of what will happen between him and Ivy in the future.

 

[balvenie1401]

If you expect "3 updates worth of content", you will be disappointed.

Fuck no! I have no expectations whatsoever on EK anymore. I said if it hasn't it would be a blatant failure, which I assume is what will happen. Hopefully I'm wrong though

 

[GifMeMore1987]

So that makes it 6 months for an update (so far)? 7 if we assume a release in November? I guess I'll go in a hybernation for another month like I usually do XD

Here are all release dates put together by member bauman, if you want to "analyze":

January 1, 2020 - ORS Announcement

March 28, 2020 - Chapter 1 Alpha
April 06, 2020 - Chapter 1 Final

April 27, 2020 - Chapter 2 Alpha
May 06, 2020 - Chapter 2 Final

June 01, 2020 - Chapter 3 Alpha
June 12, 2020 - Chapter 3 Final

July 09, 2020 - Chapter 4 Alpha
July 26, 2020 - Chapter 4 Final

August 26, 2020 - Chapter 5 Alpha
September 10, 2020 - Chapter 5 Final
October 19, 2020 - Chapter 5 Enhanced

December 02, 2020 - Chapter 6 Alpha
December 13, 2020 - Chapter 6 Final

February 21, 2021 - Chapter 7 Alpha
March 7, 2021 - Chapter 7 Final
April 5, 2021 - Chapter 7 Revised

May 23, 2021 - Chapter 8 Alpha
June 05, 2021 - Chapter 8 Final

October 29, 2021 - Chapter 9 Alpha
November 10, 2021 - Chapter 9 Final
April 08, 2022 - Chapter 9 Remastered Alpha
April 25, 2022 - Chapter 9 Remastered Final

 

[_Zebra_]

Real talk now folks: has anyone ever thought of the possibility that these "status reports" are just stalling tactics to keep getting money and the game is already a finished topic for the developer?

Serious proposal: let's write conspiracy theories only after we see what chapter 10 it's like. It's easy to hate the dev now, when we don't know the extent of her work. I think it's better if we don't write stuff that we might regret later, if chapter 10 proves to be the best chapter to date and totality worth the wait.

P.S. I also have a conspiracy theory, but like I said, I don't want to write it down now. It will generate too much hate, considering that it involves another dev, beside Eva.

 

[John Doe Jr.]

i really wish the recycling of characters wold just stop, i know eva is trying to pull a tarantino but most of the characters dont even have the depth required for it, i specially dont want it to be Iris, wich was just one of the most forgettable characters in gggb.

I for one think if she's already going to start making more connections between GGGB and ORS then she shouldn't be worrying too much on the fetishes and sex scenes being too similar to GGGB

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Tbf, anything less then 3 updates worth of content should be considered a blatant failure since ch. 10 had a dev cycle of over a year, that's IF it gets released at the end of Nov.. Given it's taken 3-4 times as long as a normal chapter it SHOULD be huge (or frankly "normal size" for that amount of time)..

If you (and other users here) don't like the remastered version or think it was unnecessary that's fine. Hell, I'm the last person to judge it since the current version is the first and only one I have played. But ignoring EK worked on that until april and expecting one year's worth of content from chapter 10 is ridiculous.

On another note: The dev report confirms those users here (including me, I might add) saying updates will take longer because all the choices the player can make mean more and more paths and scene variations ergo more work for the dev.

 

[pavlogrk]

Eva, Iris or Nat..................

i think it's Nat but maybe with a haircut

 

[boobthief]

Because Jeremy is the worst written and managed. But by all means, try to make it out that the only reason I am complaining about Jeremy is that he is black. -Good job, good effort there kiddo- Can we get a big round of applause for his guy here folks?

I'm 'kiddo' only in your wildest fantasies, daddy. How did your appeal for a circle jerk big round of applause go; was it everything you expected it would be?

Ian has some little to few hiccups and could do with some better writing I'll admit, Axel has issues as well (mainly that he is a possible rapist and is coincidentally involved with apparently everything), Mike has no issues other than if you let Lena chase after him, as to which is entirely optional and doesn't affect the story that much.

Ian can cheat; Axel can be a reprehensible antagonist; Mike can cheat.

How Jeremy is the most flawed and gets the least amount of punishment compared to say Ian. Jeremy fucks around, get caught lying, and what are the consequences? Either you stay mum and have Lena tell him to talk it out with Louise or they break up. Now, does that talk ever happen or get mentioned? Not at all. It's glossed over in place of the imfamous drinking game and of course if we decide to not take part, of course Jeremy rather than play it safe and smart (drunk or buzzed) he decides to be the horn dog dumbass and sticks to the stereotypical black guy player kink in all of porn.

I think you have accidentally watched far too much cuckhold porn. I don't think of Jeremy as a 'stereotypical black guy player'. I think Jeremy is well-written because as a confident person (bartender interacting with people all night long), physically fit and therefore attractive (gym, MMA), easy-going friend (interactions we have seen) he gets opportunities because of these attractive traits.

Moreover, I think you are insinuating that the character of Jeremy is a racist stereotype. I believe you would see your folly if you imagined Jeremy as an easy-going, confident, bartending, fit, white guy who was cheating - then you wouldn't be upset because white people were being negatively portrayed. That would sound weird, no? Like you sound to me.

Ian on the other hand: If you just so happen to kiss Holly while also being interested in Lena, oh yeah Lena grills you and goes overtop with her rage. Chase after Cindy and get caught by your "bro" Jeremy? Oh yeah the dumbass has the audacity to say "we need to come clean to Wade" if he too just so happens to still be with Louise. Like excuse me hypocrite who is fucking Alison and is still trying to hook up with Ivy while you still kinda in a relationship with another girl...

Seems reasonable. Has absolutely nothing to do with Jeremy being black. Which is my point.