VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[evilkitty97]

Technically, Lena is not a slut in the beginning or if the player chooses her not to be one. Because she only ever had 1 man in her past, which is Axel.

But the fact that Lena has the potential to be a slut in the game like MercyHealer says, means she can definitely be one. Although only if the player chooses that route for her.

She can become one if she chooses to date both Ian and Robert as by definition.
Slutty, but that isnt a bad thing.

I prefer slutty than prude, personally.

And Lena, like Ashley from GGGB, is going to be amazing.
Cant wait for her first GB scene

 

[Chuck_Bass]

Is it all? Will there be a sequel?

Eva said she is planing on doing about 20 chapters, so the game is about 50% done.

 

[dolfe67]

Same goes with the Take Drugs > Game Crash joke puzzle in Chapter 8, as most end-users won't even be familiar with the Renpy crash screen. It'll be more of a WTF? than an in-joke.

Yeah this is too meta for the average user, you just have to read the posts related to that in this thread. She'll get a lot of bug reports from steam users about it

Personally I didn't like this "joke".

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Yeah this is too meta for the average user, you just have to read the posts related to that in this thread. She'll get a lot of bug reports from steam users about it

Personally I didn't like this "joke".

Plus any platform, including Steam, is going to have a certification team inspect the game before final release. I foresee "Build failed. Level 8 main-story crash bug" write-ups in the future that would take some mitigating on Eva's part. "Well... it's not actually a crash."

I got the joke after a few clicks, since I'm used to these Renpy crashes on In-development games. But it's my least favorite part of the game now too, since it's the one place you can't fastforward on subsequent playthroughs unless you're using UnRen. Def the "oh god, this again" part of the game for me, but I select "do drugs" every time, in case it helps influence any future success in hidden stats. (I should probably just look through the code to confirm that, though).

 

[dolfe67]

Plus any platform, including Steam, is going to have a certification team inspect the game before final release. I foresee "Build failed. Level 8 main-story crash bug" write-ups in the future that would take some mitigating on Eva's part. "Well... it's not actually a crash."

If such a team existed, lots of AAA games would be banned from Steam

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

If such a team existed, lots of AAA games would be banned from Steam

I'm not sure with Steam, tbh, but I heavy lean towards there being one. Likely a bunch less thorough than Nintendo's, Sony's or Xbox, but they probably do at least a speed run for Final releases before calling it good (as opposed to in-development titles).

Problem is, a game tested in a walled environment will often display different results on final release as even the consoles' release failures can attest to. I'd chalk up a lot of the failures to that + less thorough compliance testing due to a huge array of games + the limitations of compatibility testing inherent in PC game releases, as the end user's hardware and software config is nearly limitless vs the uniform configuration of a console release.

 

[cdn]

I remember playing multiple routes during my play-through of chapter 9. Now saves only seem to have on type of route with all stats maxed in all of them (similar to cheat mode 10 each). I do not want to replay the game from beginning now. Any way to recover to my original save or skip to different routes beginning chapter 10?

 

[Clone002]

Guys, I need some help with my saves. The first time I opened v.10 Alpha and v.10 Final, all my saves were there.

But the second time I played each version, all my saves were gone. I also can't find them on AppData\Roaming\RenPy\RedString-1574621830.

WTF is happening? Is there a way to fix it? Where can I find my saves?

 

[Kassan06969]

Are you kidding me? That's an 100% arbitrary opinion that wouldn't be shared by most of the general public. Maybe just among some super-fans that gatekeep a geekdom forum of some sort. Ships in space, robots and hi-tech gadgets will = Sci-fi category in most people's minds, which isn't negated just because there are arguably fantasy elements too. The general public should of course be who these hints are aimed at, as you have many different users playing.

Chosen One (i.e. Luke Skywalker or Rei) just doesn't seem like "shaking things up" in that category.

Actually it was sort of an adaptation in a SF manner of Kurosowa's "The Hidden Fortress."

 

[Chuck_Bass]

Just noticed, Emma's "surprise" face looks like she is having a stroke

 

[ffive]

Just noticed, Emma's "surprise" face looks like she is having a stroke

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I keep thinking she's wetting her upper lip with her tongue instead of being shocked, it throws me off ;/

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Actually it was sort of an adaptation in a SF manner of Kurosowa's "The Hidden Fortress."

lol. I know. But that's also extremely besides the point that the average person associates Star Wars with Sci-fi, not fantasy or... ninjas. InB4 "akshually... it's a Samurai film"

That's like if there were a Western Category and Holly advised against timeless classic spaghetti western set-ups.

"Hmm. There've been enough rogue strangers in Westerns, playing both sides of the coin. .Ok. Check. No deceitful loners."

(Deceitful loners ends up being +2 Western book points).

"Well, technically that movie is Yojimbo."

I don't think you all are getting the point of hints needing to be applicable to the average user in game design.

 

[Kassan06969]

lol. I know. But that's also extremely besides the point that the average person associates Star Wars with Sci-fi, not fantasy or... ninjas.

That's like if there were a Western Category and Holly advised against timeless classic spaghetti western set-ups.

"Hmm. There've been enough rogue strangers in Westerns, playing both sides of the coin. .Ok. Check. No deceitful loners."

(Deceitful loners ends up being +2 Western book points).

"Well, technically that movie is Yojimbo."

I don't think you all are getting the point of hints needing to applicable to the average user in game design.

True. Now we need one that's an adaptation of The Seven Samurai/The Magnificent Seven in a SF or fantasy setting...
Had to wait on this because of those damn automatic updates. Every day at 11am and 7pm EST. If the pattern fits probably 3 am too, but I wouldn't be up THAT late!

 

[Reaurt]

lol. I know. But that's also extremely besides the point that the average person associates Star Wars with Sci-fi, not fantasy or... ninjas. InB4 "akshually... it's a Samurai film"

I get your point, but I gotta say, people who seriously read sci-fi novels like the type Ian is trying to write would be nerdy enough to distinguish between the Star Wars movie franchise tropes (chosen one with holy sword Imeanlightsaber and magic powers ImeantheForce) and those in sci-fi novels.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I get your point, but I gotta say, people who seriously read sci-fi novels like the type Ian is trying to write would be nerdy enough to distinguish between the Star Wars movie franchise tropes (chosen one with holy sword Imeanlightsaber and magic powers ImeantheForce) and those in sci-fi novels.

And I get that point, but these hints are supposed to be aimed at the player, not at the people in those geekdom communities. And a writer doesn't need to be steeped into that sort of ultra-tedious sci-fi fandom to write a great novel categorized by the general public under the genre.

As an aside, the "like Ian is trying to write" is also an assumption, though. He's chosen a general path to base his novel in, with the purpose of writing a good novel in that general area. It was never mentioned that his purpose was to please an insular community of genre zealots, who may not necessarily value good writing over their fandom desires and rigid category specifics.

 

[camube]

I think the "meta" aspect of Ian's book is that if the player only has average knowledge (of tropes), Ian's book has higher likelihood of being average as well (being not great).

Which is great for immersion (on completed game at least) because our average knowledge led Ian to average result. Without replay or walkthrough, Ian likely isn't great at writing if we ourselves aren't above average (or lucky) on choosing the tropes.

Lol, that's a pretty good game-design, in terms of replayability at least.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I think the "meta" aspect of Ian's book is that if the player only has average knowledge (of tropes), Ian's book has higher likelihood of being average as well (being not great).

Which is great for immersion (on completed game at least) because our average knowledge led Ian to average result. Without replay or walkthrough, Ian likely isn't great at writing if we ourselves aren't above average (or lucky) on choosing the tropes.

Lol, that's a pretty good game-design, in terms of replayability at least.

I could see that in a meta 4-D chess sort of way: Make the puzzle unfair to the average user with "hints" that are purely subjective, as my end goal is to make them replay it.

Of course, I think that's doubtful and still poor game design in the end. But touche.

 

[zonk4411]

Been down several paths, but still struggling to get Holly on the most "bad" path -- that is, most sexually active, most loosened up, ditching the glasses if possible, etc. etc.

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Any ideas on the best path for that?

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I don't think it's a bad hint, Star Wars isn't really an inspiration for sci-fi books the way say LOTR has been for fantasy. Some extremely popular sci-fi books like Dune have a chosen one feel. It's not something as common in sci-fi as it is in fantasy books and it's worked well in sci fi so didn't see it as a bad choice.

Things you'd only know if you were deeply rooted in what an insular community of people consider a specific "genre". So was this game made just for those people?

There are plenty of well-read people out there who don't get so steeped into any one genre to really know the entire field.

Read a variety of uncategorizable authors or authors outside of those base categories, from Huxley, to Sartre, to Burroughs, to Bataille and a few stray fanboy-respected genre authors like Phillip K Dick? Well then, you're fucked. Sorry. Your 15 books read from Charles Bukowski are useless.
I'd mention Vonnegut alongside Dick, but I assume people might jump in and say "THAT'S NOT SCI-FI!"

Same goes for people who aren't well-read though and just know genres in layman terms from general pop-culture.

I'm talking in circles here, basically, as the end point is that a hint that only subjectively hits a small-ish slice of people from one strict corner of the reading world is not a good hint for this sort of wide-spread fetish game, where the only thing we all have in common is playing lewd videogames and jacking off.

It's also not a good representation of any sort of writing skill.

Some of the hints in their current state are fine. Others... not so much.

 

[GrigoriRasputin]

I will say that I was under the impression an excellent novel would be striking a balance between following troops and going off the beaten path. So the trope option would give + points and the random options would give - points, with the goal being to end up somewhere in the middle.

I was also hoping that Wits would contribute to the book. Even with the wrong choices, it'd be nice if someone who prioritized Wits could still salvage the book. After all, a talented mind can make any set of tropes interesting in my opinion.

As it is now, pursuing Wits feels like a waste of time other than for "roleplaying" reasons.