VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.5] [Eva Kiss]

[fatpussy123]

I have a question and seek an answer.

In the game's code it forces Ian to break up with Minerva if he is dating Holly.

The only thing I can think of to keep them together is to date Minerva without showing up to see Seymour, which I am pretty sure is not possible.

That being said. There is dialogue programmed with Holly for when Ian fucks Minerva while dating Holly in chapter 12.

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Question is, is it possible to get this dialogue in a regular playthrough?

 

[RobertKing]

It may come as a shock but yes, both Jack Nicholson and James Caan are considered good looking.

Misery is about a fan who gets so crazy for him she imprisons him in her home so she can get his new book faster for herself. Let's see anyone do that for a "model promoter".

the stalker in Misery was played by Kathy Bates... not Cindy, or Lena...
Jack Nicholson played a maniacal possessed killer in the Shining...

I don't think either of these are ideal erotic writing material... but I will say, if allison went all Misery on Ian, THAT would spice up Ian's game play.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I don't think either of these are ideal erotic writing material... but I will say, if allison went all Misery on Ian, THAT would spice up Ian's game play.

Alison breaking Ian legs so he puts a baby inside of her,now thats cinema

 

[Socrambus]

It may come as a shock but yes, both Jack Nicholson and James Caan are considered good looking.

Misery is about a fan who gets so crazy for him she imprisons him in her home so she can get his new book faster for herself. Let's see anyone do that for a "model promoter".

Real life examples: Arthur Miller got married with Marilyn Monroe, Albert Camus and Jean Paul Sartre were womanizers, Salman Rushie was married like five times, all of then to out of his league women according to what a lot of people think. There are plenty more cases, at the end of the day writers are artists (with the usually associated decadence and unstability) and rich and famous if they are successful (with also the usual perks associated with that).

In fiction, the first example that comes to mind is Hank Moody in Californication.

 

[Geigi]

It may come as a shock but yes, both Jack Nicholson and James Caan are considered good looking.

Misery is about a fan who gets so crazy for him she imprisons him in her home so she can get his new book faster for herself. Let's see anyone do that for a "model promoter".

Misery is one of the best horror movies I've ever watched. Kathy as a yandere character gave me the chills and James Caan gave me the feeling of powerlessness.

 

[mommysboiii]

I don't think either of these are ideal erotic writing material... but I will say, if allison went all Misery on Ian, THAT would spice up Ian's game play.

Like alison turns into a antagonist if ian denies her ???? Sounds interesting but how would that go?

Like ian date holly is happy what is alison gonna do about out ? Like seduce guys?

 

[Jplays512]

Like alison turns into a antagonist if ian denies her ???? Sounds interesting but how would that go?

Like ian date holly is happy what is alison gonna do about out ? Like seduce guys?

I mean isn’t that Alison’s main strategy? Jeremy is one of Ian’s really good friends and while she is sleeping with him she is constantly trying to get with Ian.

 

[donorys]

As a gay man, I like Ian

But I can't help there seems to be some sort of imbalance about Lena and Ian in the story. Lena has bigger circle of network, judging by their agenda list. Lena has more emotional/mental baggage; Ian has ex-girlfriend issue and career problem. Lena has ex-issue, family issue, and financial problems. And there's Seymour who seems to want to take advantage of her. It's easier for Lena to raise her stats and money than Ian does. Lena has more love interests than Ian does; she can romance both men and women, Ian can only date women

Basically, the game seems to favor Lena in terms of storyline, relationships, and development than Ian

 

[Nifferman]

As a gay man, I like Ian

But I can't help there seems to be some sort of imbalance about Lena and Ian in the story. Lena has bigger circle of network, judging by their agenda list. Lena has more emotional/mental baggage; Ian has ex-girlfriend issue and career problem. Lena has ex-issue, family issue, and financial problems. And there's Seymour who seems to want to take advantage of her. It's easier for Lena to raise her stats and money than Ian does. Lena has more love interests than Ian does; she can romance both men and women, Ian can only date women

Basically, the game seems to favor Lena in terms of storyline, relationships, and development than Ian

It's the quality not quantity that matters.

 

[donorys]

It's the quality not quantity that matters.

I know, I just can't help but notice. And in this case, quantity may help with the quality since it serves as the foundation of the story. Supposedly. Compared to Lena, Ian is slightly more vanilla, so perhaps I think I understand why some people here are not too interested in him. He would make a good NPC love interest though...

I'm starting to think the game probably should have had only one playable protagonist, and that's Lena. I should probably also mention that, from my perspective, Lena has lengthier playable weeks than Ian, except in Episode 12 so far. I think

 

[ffive]

Ian has ex-girlfriend issue and career problem. Lena has ex-issue, family issue, and financial problems.

Technically Ian also has financial problems -- he just doesn't complain about them too much and he doesn't get a perverted millionaire willing to solve them for him. Just a dad who pays him a small stipend each month. Ian's relationship with his dad is also pretty strained. He just, again, isn't as dramatic about it as Lena has option to be.

Lena has more love interests than Ian does; she can romance both men and women, Ian can only date women

Ian's love interests: Holly, Cindy, Cherry, Emma, Louise, Alison, Minerva, Jess
Lena's love interests: Holly, Axel, Seymour, Mike, Jeremy, Louise, Ivy, Stan (lol), Robert (lolol), Jack, Marcel, Mark

Taking into account a number of these are simple hook ups or joke options, the range of available actual love interests is about even for them both.

 

[donorys]

Technically Ian also has financial problems -- he just doesn't complain about them too much and he doesn't get a perverted millionaire willing to solve them for him. Just a dad who pays him a small stipend each month. Ian's relationship with his dad is also pretty strained. He just, again, isn't as dramatic about it as Lena has option to be.

Hm... true. But while strained, his dad doesn't suffer from any kind of sickness. Then again, we haven't really entered Ian's family life, have we?

I guess it's an accurate part of Eva Kiss's writing because in my experience, we guys don't really like to make a big deal out of things. But we do share our burdens to our best buddies too. But yeah, Ian is somewhat more financially challenged because he just doesn't have that much working opportunities as Lena does. Unless...

...unless Minnerva is the woman variant of Seymour for Ian?

 

[ffive]

...unless Minnerva is the woman variant of Seymour for Ian?

Just wait for Andrea9999 to show up and explain how it'll be Seymour renting Ian out to Agnes.

 

[GokutheG]

Technically Ian also has financial problems -- he just doesn't complain about them too much and he doesn't get a perverted millionaire willing to solve them for him. Just a dad who pays him a small stipend each month. Ian's relationship with his dad is also pretty strained. He just, again, isn't as dramatic about it as Lena has option to be.

Yeah Ian has it much easier than Lena. Not only does he get financial support from his dad he gets cheaper housing from living with Perry(and this is after Perry's friend got Ian kicked out). Ian just doesn't have to worry as much for money compared to Lena(unless fired) since he's supported by his dad and friend. This is compared to Lena where she barely scrapes by with no help from her family and in fact she's the one who tries to help them since her dad is recovering from illness.

 

[donorys]

Just wait for Andrea9999 to show up and explain how it'll be Seymour renting Ian out to Agnes.

What? Noooo, Ian... Minnerva is the one

 

[ffive]

But there is a big difference between Lena and Ian is that he has job stability and she doesn't

Ian can get literally fired early on if he fails to get his employment ducks in a row. And his "stability" now hinges entirely on his job performance, something that's actually a part of the gameplay that will be resolved in one of next installments.

This is compared to Lena where she barely scrapes by

After the beach trip my Ian has 1 (one) coin to his name. You don't really scrape by more barely than this.

 

[donorys]

(and this is after Perry's friend got Ian kicked out)

Wait, which update is this or how does this happen? Who is this friend?

 

[amber111]

As a gay man, I like Ian

But I can't help there seems to be some sort of imbalance about Lena and Ian in the story. Lena has bigger circle of network, judging by their agenda list. Lena has more emotional/mental baggage; Ian has ex-girlfriend issue and career problem. Lena has ex-issue, family issue, and financial problems. And there's Seymour who seems to want to take advantage of her. It's easier for Lena to raise her stats and money than Ian does. Lena has more love interests than Ian does; she can romance both men and women, Ian can only date women

Basically, the game seems to favor Lena in terms of storyline, relationships, and development than Ian

I think it is because Eva is a Female writer, and unless you are a phenomenally good writer, there are going to be biases in the way characters are written. Just in the way, some male writer's portrayal of female characters might not be liked by women.
That is also the reason Eva avoids trans characters because she thinks she cannot do justice to their portrayal. GGGB being only a female perspective game to now 2 MCs, it is no surprise things are like this.
I think Eva still manages it decently well, specifically with so many paths for both MCs.

 

[donorys]

I think it is because Eva is a Female writer, and unless you are a phenomenally good writer, there are going to be biases in the way characters are written. Just in the way, some male writer's portrayal of female characters might not be liked by women.
That is also the reason Eva avoids trans characters because she thinks she cannot do justice to their portrayal. GGGB being only a female perspective game to now 2 MCs, it is no surprise things are like this.
I think Eva still manages it decently well, specifically with so many paths for both MCs.

I think she wants to have two main character as the centerpiece because of the title too? It kinda warrants it; how Ian and Lena connected to each other via the people they meet, be enemies or friends with. Even if they don't end up becoming lovers, they are still connected in some way, hence the "red string". Maybe just me though

But it seems like the game favors Ian and Lena to be the official couple. Not that I mind~

 

[GokutheG]

Wait, which update is this or how does this happen? Who is this friend?

In the beginning of the game when all of Ian's friends meet at the bar for the first time Perry tells the story of how on Ian's birthday he had a party at his parents' house. Perry's friend was so high/drunk and he trashed the place so bad that Ian's parents kicked him. That's why he's staying with Perry now.

After the beach trip my Ian has 1 (one) coin to his name. You don't really scrape by more barely than this.

Keep in mind not only can Lena also be in this position much earlier in the game her expenses are also much higher.