VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.5] [Eva Kiss]

[donorys]

A dating sim (with or without porn) with a female protagonist and wholesome male romances is a very niche market. Most of the audience of these games is male and is not interested in that kind of content (playing a woman romancing handsome men). They want kinks and "corruption" with lots of sex if they're playing a female. Lesbian content interests some of them though, as romancing wholesome women is still pleasant even though the protagonist doesn't have a dick (and futa genre exists).

So that's why Lena's male LI are not handsome men outside Ian who is also a protagonist. And Ian's part is more conventional male MC's story with character improvement and wholesome female LI.

Yes that's double standard but it is what it is, men and women are different and have different interests.

As a gay man, I was partially interested in this game due to playing as Lena, and yeah... aside from Ian, she doesn't have that many physically attractive options. I think Axel and Jeremy are the only two others who arguably look better than Ian, but personality-wise, they're terrible. More or less

When I'm playing Ian's section, I'm interested in pairing him with Cherry, Lena, or Holly. But for Lena, I feel like Ian is my only choice, assuming I don't turn Ian into a douche. Because she deserves better

 

[XVGuil]

As a gay man, I was partially interested in this game due to playing as Lena, and yeah... aside from Ian, she doesn't have that many physically attractive options. I think Axel and Jeremy are the only two others who arguably look better than Ian, but personality-wise, they're terrible. More or less

When I'm playing Ian's section, I'm interested in pairing him with Cherry, Lena, and Holly. But for Lena, I feel like Ian is my only choice for her, assuming I don't turn Ian into a douche. Because she deserves better

I actually like Mike as well. I mean, he's toxic, and their relationship is a red flag, but that aside, he's actually the one who treated Lena fairly.

 

[RobertKing]

What I like about this thread rather than the Patreon thread is there is open conversation that includes criticism of the work. I like EKs work, but I also value differing ideas and critique. Over there, any commentary that is negative about the content meets A LOT of rejection. Not by the mods but the users.

 

[yuvce]

What I like about this thread rather than the Patreon thread is there is open conversation that includes criticism of the work. I like EKs work, but I also value differing ideas and critique. Over there, any commentary that is negative about the content meets A LOT of rejection. Not by the mods but the users.

Most probably a common theme with most porn games, rather than being strictly an EK issue.

 

[AndreDA]

For what it's worth I'm also sceptical if EK is a woman, she writes scenes like a man would, draws them from a male gaze and in general this is a ridiculously male dominated field. But Eva, if you're reading this and are in fact a guy, please keep up the charade. I miss the old internet where I would spend years being an online friend with someone on a message board and only know their username and avatar. Then social media rolled into town and made everybody show their ugly faces and dysfunctional lives. It's never been the same since. Please f95zone users, never show your face to the world. Bonus points if you pretend to be a hot chick, let me dream.

 

[Xupuzulla]

What I like about this thread rather than the Patreon thread is there is open conversation that includes criticism of the work. I like EKs work, but I also value differing ideas and critique. Over there, any commentary that is negative about the content meets A LOT of rejection. Not by the mods but the users.

Are you actually surprised the patreons are super fans?

 

[The Krogan Dude]

For what it's worth I'm also sceptical if EK is a woman, she writes scenes like a man would, draws them from a male gaze and in general this is a ridiculously male dominated field. But Eva, if you're reading this and are in fact a guy, please keep up the charade. I miss the old internet where I would spend years being an online friend with someone on a message board and only know their username and avatar. Then social media rolled into town and made everybody show their ugly faces and dysfunctional lives. It's never been the same since. Please f95zone users, never show your face to the world. Bonus points if you pretend to be a hot chick, let me dream.

For the last time, there's no woman here. Girl = Guy In Real Life.

What kind of woman would write characters like Stan and Seymour ? Of course Eva is a dude.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Evakiss gains literally nothing for lying about her sex.
Also why you guys care?
I never understood this discussion and it happens quite often.

 

[LHDLLB]

For the last time, there's no woman here. Girl = Guy In Real Life.

What kind of woman would write characters like Stan and Seymour ? Of course Eva is a dude.

I am mostly a observer in this thread and don't wanna to butt in. But have you see some of this erotic literature written by and for women ? Some of th games on this site is child play next to them.

I don't know if Eva is or not a woman but whatever she is, she cleary knows what her public likes and expects and delivers it.

 

[Xupuzulla]

EK panders her mostly male patreons,F95 nerds be like WOW WHAT IS THIS SORCERY HES MAKING THE MALES HAPPY!?

 

[Nifferman]

For what it's worth I'm also sceptical if EK is a woman, she writes scenes like a man would, draws them from a male gaze and in general this is a ridiculously male dominated field. But Eva, if you're reading this and are in fact a guy, please keep up the charade. I miss the old internet where I would spend years being an online friend with someone on a message board and only know their username and avatar. Then social media rolled into town and made everybody show their ugly faces and dysfunctional lives. It's never been the same since. Please f95zone users, never show your face to the world. Bonus points if you pretend to be a hot chick, let me dream.

Actually she posted her photos a long time ago on patreon for the high tiers, a brunette if I remember. And I'm not sure about this one but isn't she friends with red lolly??

 

[ffive]

What kind of woman would write characters like Stan and Seymour ? Of course Eva is a dude.

Well, if we're going into stereotypes, then on the other hand, what sort of a guy would write a character like billionaire simp Seymour that Lena can fall in love with so hard she'll even cheat on her beloved throuple and hold hands with him?

I mean, even Patrons are apparently more into Arthur type of billionaires.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

Evakiss gains literally nothing for lying about her sex.
Also why you guys care?
I never understood this discussion and it happens quite often.

I am mostly a observer in this thread and don't wanna to butt in. But have you see some of this erotic literature written by and for women ? Some of th games on this site is child play next to them.

I don't know if Eva is or not a woman but whatever she is, she cleary knows what her public likes and expects and delivers it.

Well, if we're going into stereotypes, then on the other hand, what sort of a guy would write a character like billionaire simp Seymour that Lena can fall in love with so hard she'll even cheat on her beloved throuple and hold hands with him?

I mean, even Patrons are apparently more into Arthur type of billionaires.

 

[Nutterbutts]

As a gay man, I was partially interested in this game due to playing as Lena, and yeah... aside from Ian, she doesn't have that many physically attractive options. I think Axel and Jeremy are the only two others who arguably look better than Ian, but personality-wise, they're terrible. More or less

When I'm playing Ian's section, I'm interested in pairing him with Cherry, Lena, and Holly. But for Lena, I feel like Ian is my only choice for her, assuming I don't turn Ian into a douche. Because she deserves better

For the last few days I've been using the game's Easy and Cheat modes to explore various branching paths, and honestly... Appearance aside, I find that I like most of the girls that Ian can hook up with (dislike Minerva and Cindy, Allison is... okay, depending on the path) and dislike almost all of the guys that Lena can hook up. With the possible exceptions of Stan and John (haven't thoroughly explored Stan's scenes yet) they're all a bunch of toxic douchebags. And Stan and John are among the least attractive guys in the game - at least, in my opinion. I'm sure someone out there is into them.

 

[aifgamer]

they're all a bunch of toxic douchebags.

Yeah I made a post a while back that Lena's partners are a pretty disappointing bunch. None of the men even really take Lena out on dates. They pop up in the story to fuck her and that's pretty much all she gets out of the relationships. Ian gets courted more by the women than Lena does by the men.

I'm still unsure whether this is flaw or a potentially clever narrative choice. A young, hot, stylish women like Lena would have better romantic options than the rogue's gallery of cheaters and douchebags in ORS. It could be the author is using the roster of love interests as a tacit means of communicating that this character is an insecure mess.

If so, it's essentially a reversal of the standard female PC corruption plot. The character starts off corrupt and the player can redeem her or not.

 

[ffive]

If so, it's essentially a reversal of the standard female PC corruption plot. The character starts off corrupt and the player can redeem her or not.

Uhmm no? There's nothing about Lena that's "corrupt" when she starts the game, or anything to "redeem" her from. She's potentially a nerd who only had two boyfriends ever, and one of those boyfriends was a wanna-be dom who cheated on her with another girl. That is her source of insecurity -- the guy she was in love with apparently didn't value her as much as she valued him, and their relationship.

 

[Geigi]

Uhmm no? There's nothing about Lena that's "corrupt" when she starts the game, or anything to "redeem" her from. She's potentially a nerd who only had two boyfriends ever, and one of those boyfriends was a wanna-be dom who cheated on her with another girl.

I think they meant that Lena's corrupted because she's not a virgin anymore, since it's usually the innocent/pure virgin trope in games as a start. As for redemption, I can only think of is that slutty Lena decide to be in an actual relationship, idk.

 

[Stephanie98]

I think they meant that Lena's corrupted because she's not a virgin anymore, since it's usually the innocent/pure virgin trope in games as a start. As for redemption, I can only think of slutty Lena decide to be in an actual relationship, idk.

maybe the after finished the game the dev told us about lena past, 5 night at diddy's Axel

 

[ffive]

I think they meant that Lena's corrupted because she's not a virgin anymore, since it's usually the innocent/pure virgin trope in games as a start. As for redemption, I can only think of slutty Lena decide to be in an actual relationship, idk.

Hmm i thought it was about the character being insecure mess as reflected by her possibly settling for assholes in the game, while choosing the "good option" of Ian would be the "redemption". I admit, the "not a virgin = corrupted" angle didn't even occur to me. But i guess some could view it in such way.

 

[GokutheG]

Hmm i thought it was about the character being insecure mess as reflected by her possibly settling for assholes in the game, while choosing the "good option" of Ian would be the "redemption". I admit, the "not a virgin = corrupted" angle didn't even occur to me. But i guess some could view it in such way.

The reality might just be that each guy li is just a vehicle for certain fetishes with no real character. The exceptions seem to be Stan, Axel, Ian and Seymour. I would hope that being a complete asshole wasn't an intentional decision to push players towards Ian because it seems that if you aren't into Ian or those exceptions currently there are no guy li that I can see leading to a happy ending for Lena.