VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.5] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

I am pretty sure Ivy drugged Holly and took her to the glory hole. Holly was definetly under the influence. Whatever she took was likely either downplayed by Ivy or spiked by Ivy. Even the sluttiest thing Holly did before this update was have one night stands. Pretty big leap from that to then take hard drugs and blow 7 strangers in a glory hole, unless she was drugged into it.

People were grasping at the same straws when Holly went with Mark and blew him in the car. "Oh no, poor sweet Holly is too pure and would never do that on her own. Look, Ivy gave her a drink at the club, she must've put drugs in it!" Give it a chapter or two of Holly fucking around, and no one thinks Holly is "too pure for a hookup" and must be getting drugged to act like that, or bat an eye when she sneaks into Ian's room to fuck him or blows a co-worker.

It's as simple as Holly having a "corruption" arc in porn game. Chain-sucking dicks is just a small step along this road, she'll be doing BBC gang bangs soon enough.

 

[Gicoo]

The drug scene is currently just speculation by Lena. We don't know if Ivy secretly druged Holly or if Holly took the drugs voluntarily to encourage herself. Holly also smoked weed on her own volation (and didn't took that well). Both distributing and receiving drugs is just bad in general, you can blame Ivy, but also Holly.

Is going to be funny when in the next update even Billy taps that Ivy ass before Ian

Nah, Lena fucks Billy and Ivy remains a virgin.
On a serious note, the Billy trip has to deliver and Ivy has to get good scenes there.

It's totally on EK then. Imagine allowing any degenerate real life Stan to be part of the creative process.

So are John and Clark 250€ patreons that got in the game and are allowed to fuck Lena and Holly as a reward?
If few patreons truly dictate the game, its doomed.

 

[JoJoPool]

Yes, that’s true, and Ivy has also degenerated. Why? Because Eva has lost any inspiration to write. Come up with some kind of motivation that why is Ivy corrupting Holly, why is she trying to corrupt Lena - why need it? She's just evil because she's bad, that's what it looks like now. Do you need some explanation why the characters behave this way? Oh look, new GGGB cameo and 5 scenes with no-name NPCs, enjoy.
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I agree with you on most part but I don't think Ivy needs a reason to be who she is, It's evident to me that she simply enjoys manipulating people in fact i'm glad she's like that because it makes things more interesting and creates more drama.
Maybe Eva will give some more insight into Ivy's personality in the future, maybe if she falls for Ian she opens up to him and we'll know more about her.

 

[ffive]

The drug scene is currently just speculation by Lena. We don't know if Ivy secretly druged Holly or if Holly took the drugs voluntarily to encourage herself.

She could also be just drunk on cocks.

 

[sliszt2]

People were grasping at the same straws when Holly went with Mark and blew him in the car. "Oh no, poor sweet Holly is too pure and would never do that on her own. Look, Ivy gave her a drink at the club, she must've put drugs in it!" Give it a chapter or two of Holly fucking around, and no one thinks Holly is "too pure for a hookup" and must be getting drugged to act like that, or bat an eye when she sneaks into Ian's room to fuck him.

Except this time it is true. Just as I posted in the beginning, Lena said, while watching holly's clips, that "Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks." and if Lena's wit is high enough (wits>7), she also added "It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me..."

 

[Puggy Aiden]

I'll bet the conversation over on Eva's Discord is just about the exact opposite of ours. "Eva, you're awesome, go Stanny go, I love him so much and he finally scored! Best update ever!" Also it's hilarious to me that during and after the sex, there's nothing from Stan about "offering his sword" and all his weird clingy love talk, he's just completely exhausted.

Funnily enough the members on her discord does call us whiner's and talks about how great of an update it was .

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I agree with you on most part but I don't think Ivy needs a reason to be who she is, It's evident to me that she simply enjoys manipulating people in fact i'm glad she's like that because it makes things more interesting and creates more drama.
Maybe Eva will give some more insight into Ivy's personality in the future, maybe if she falls for Ian she opens up to him and we'll know more about her.

Let's say that's true. But why manipulate people? Why does she behave like that? What led to this? We need a personal background. If we have Ivy villian arc, then why not write her as a controversial character, and not boringly bad, just because.
I doubt about development of character arcs and writing their personalities, because the last few updates I see downgrade characters. Eva now is Ubisofting her game and asking real-life Stan's and Perry's what to do next.
Ironically, I was Eva's defender long time ago.

 

[desmosome]

Yes Holly was certainly under drug influence. But Ivy didn't need to coerce her, just to propose her molly like she did to Lena. And Holly being weak willed under peer pressure took it.

An introverted and very weak willed Holly is peer pressured into doing drugs. There is a power disparity here. It's pretty coercive compared to homegirls passing each other drugs. But whether it be drugs or cocks that she is high on, Ivy and Lena are real fucked up people in this route, for real lol. Because let's face it, Eva took the dive into the corruption spiral. It's no longer a nuanced look of perhaps a shy girl breaking out of her shell with some sex positive message from her close friends. It's two horrible sluts corrupting a girl who had a bright future ahead of her.

 

[ffive]

Except this time it is true. Just as I posted in the beginning, Lena said, while watching holly's clips, that "Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks." and if Lena's wit is high enough (wits>7), she also added "It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me..."

I know there's that line but like i said, it could be just as well emotional high from sucking bunch of cocks at a glory hole. Something that's a bit of a trope. Flushed checks, dilated pupils and dazed expression are common symptoms of basic, high arousal, too. Remember Lena's "crazy eyes" people are making fun of in this thread? It's similar thing.

Of course, Holly could very well be on drugs. In case people forgot Holly has demonstrated in the game that she is willing to both drink and smoke weed. What's the problem if she decided to have more fun with that? There's hardly need for "evil Ivy" here unless you're trying to cling to the "pure Holly" image, like Lena is seemingly doing.

 

[OWSam000]

Isn't Ivy character setting a manipulative bitch to use her slutty look and teasing act in order to protect herself and climb higher steps?

 

[Puggy Aiden]

So are John and Clark 250€ patreons that got in the game and are allowed to fuck Lena and Holly as a reward?

Eva made a post saying that she would never stray from the original plan for this game. Yet it really does seem like she's just following her top patreons wishes and polls.

 

[notstaged]

I really hope that Holly and the glory hole was done on her own, not some dumb drugs like someone has mentioned. It's weird and creepy.

"I really hope that Holly went and blew seven strangers on her own, this is just girls having fun, unless her agency was compromised by the influence of drugs, that's yucky."

 

[Xupuzulla]

LMAO some of the posts made me laugh out loud,thanks for that.
Fan favourite armour so strong people are even blaming Holly

Except this time it is true. Just as I posted in the beginning, Lena said, while watching holly's clips, that "Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks." and if Lena's wit is high enough (wits>7), she also added "It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me..."

Of course is true,you literally have to turn off your brain and look to the other side in that scene to no understand what is happening.

 

[JoJoPool]

Let's say that's true. But why manipulate people? Why does she behave like that? What led to this? We need a personal background. If we have Ivy villian arc, then why not write her as a controversial character, and not boringly bad, just because.
I doubt about development of character arcs and writing their personalities, because the last few updates I see downgrade characters. Eva now is Ubisofting her game and asking real-life Stan's and Perry's what to do next.
Ironically, I was Eva's defender long time ago.

You don't need to feel bad about defending Eva back then because you had every reason to, the only issue we felt frustrated by was the long wait between updates.
At that time she was actually decent, motivated and had a clear vision... Now I'm not so sure.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

You don't need to feel bad about defending Eva back then because you had every reason to, the only issue we felt frustrated by was the long wait between updates.
At that time she was actually decent, motivated and had a clear vision... Now I'm not so sure.

I feel like whole episodes would have been better despite the long wait.

 

[Geigi]

"I really hope that Holly went and blew seven strangers on her own, this is just girls having fun, unless her agency was compromised by the influence of drugs, that's yucky."

What's confusing? Doing something on your own volition and doing something that's caused by influence/coercion/blackmail etc. is different.

 

[indubarbie]

Can anyone share save of ian x lena x holly

 

[Xupuzulla]

What's confusing? Doing something on your own volition and doing by influence/coercion/blackmail etc. is different.

The difference is that one puts all the blame in poor Holly while the other puts the blame on the real villain of ORS:Ivy fucking Feynman

 

[AchedCroissant]

I like how Lena ripped Ian's head off

 

[noturiah]

So, when I played through the first time, from Lena's comment and the artwork, I thought Holly was cock-drunk. I was remembering also that Holly's stated fantasies earlier in the game had involved a stranger fucking her from behind, and though that didn't happen here, these were all strangers to her and she was probably getting off on that.

Second time through, it occurred to me maybe Ivy had given her drugs. Probably not against Holly's will, but in this route Holly has been well accustomed to submitting to Ivy's desires whether she really wants to or not. It's also completely possible, as has been said, that Holly was interested in trying the drug. But at the moment it's all very unclear. (It also lends support to BlandChili's idea that it would have been better for Lena to have been present with Ivy and Holly, so both she as a character and we as players know better what happened.)

I do hope Eva steps in and makes things more clear through some dialogue, if not in the Beta or Final, then in the next update as Lena and Ivy are talking on the way to Billy's place, or whenever Lena and Holly see each other next.

This may be interpreted as defending Ivy, and I'll take that risk, but from a story standpoint, I have to admire Eva's ideas of progress in Holly's corruption. A glory hole experience makes logical sense (oof, do I really want to be saying that?) as a next step for Holly. It's multiple partners, which is new for her, but casual and she doesn't have to see them again. It's multiple partners but no penetrative sex at all. It's "secret," as in there's nothing connecting Holly publicly to the act, as opposed to something like doing a stripping session at Blazer, which is honestly what I had guessed would be the next thing Ivy would want Holly to do.