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fatpussy123

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So show me the OPTION I get to call Lena a hypocrite?! You don't get that as an option, do you??
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If Lena didn't sleep with Robert, he just calls it unfair, but if she did he says it's not different from what he did. Which is pointing at supposed hypocrisy. He doesn't literally call her a hypocrite but you do have the option to point at her apparent hypocrisy.
 

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Perhaps bring up ... hypocrisy in all of this
While we're on the topic of hypocrisy, there's plenty of that from both parties, depending on the state of affairs. Lustmaxxing Ian can be fuming over Lena cheating on him, while not being in a proper relationship with her (whatever that entails), and his inner monologue will be going on about Lena showing "her true colors" and not once reflecting on the part in which he fucked every hole he could get a hold of. Reverse situation is also possible.

Holly's situation at the fair could've been made more interesting if, say, there was an option behind a high enough lust or charisma stat (that would connect to a holly_change variable) to agree with her when suggestion is brought up to just either forget the whole thing or continue the affair. But that's just headcanon territory.
 

Hungover00

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While Ian and Lena can cheat a lot, at least in Ian case it starts to have consequences and he is forced to decide between ending love relationships or stop cheating with some exceptions. In Lenas case, it is questionable how she can still fuck 10+ people in one run and don't commit to anyone aside Ian. Supposedly its the nature of her relationship that she isn't serious with most of them, but she really should start commiting and ending other relationships. She does it with Ian, but there are still many flings that can still be go on and it can be seen as a writing inconsisty, either voluntarily by Eva, or involuntarily if the many choices and paths just overwhelmed them.
She can try and commit to Mark (the DJ, damn I hate that there are two M names at the club), luring him away from his girlfriend. It just blows up in her face. And Holly, though I don't know if you can cheat on her (though I imagine you can at least with Seymour, since that can happen in the Holly Trinity route). Axel seems like he'll become a romance at some point, for those foolish enough to follow that path. But yeah, she doesn't have great options for romance.
 

Hungover00

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Besides, in these kinds of games sexualities are often technicalities that are easily ignored. Eva has the very typical "straight until you bang a chick" and "lesbian doesn't count for cheating" attitudes to f/f pairings so I don't really see any limits besides how much any character interacts with another. Alison, Minerva and Cherry would surprise me as bi options simply because they don't really interact with Lena.
Yeah, EK definitely leans into the 'woman are like spaghetti, straight until wet,' worldview.
 

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Oh, and then there's a more generic problem I see with a lot of visual novels, and that is the "we need to talk about the sex we had"... I'm like, "who in the hell does that in real life?! I never did!". Whenever I see that starting up in a VN I roll my eyes and think "Oh no, not again! NO YOU DON'T NEED TO TALK!" LMAO... what is it with VNs and their need to have a serious talk after a quickie with a fuck buddy?? I don't know about the rest of you, but I didn't sit down and have a serious discussion after each hookup. LOL

I have thought about creating my own visual novel and adding in some humour into it. Like when someone wants a serious talk and then have the *DEV* suddenly comment with something humorous. I even had the idea that a character would avoid something common and annoying and not do it then have the a *DEV* comment appear where he says "someone's getting an extra orgasm in the next scene" ;)
 

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Oh, and then there's a more generic problem I see with a lot of visual novels, and that is the "we need to talk about the sex we had"...
Which scenes are you refering to? If its just a hookup, it usually isn't much of a deal. If its the start of a romance, then that question often leads to several options (Heart option, staying casual, ending the relationship).
 

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Oh, and then there's a more generic problem I see with a lot of visual novels, and that is the "we need to talk about the sex we had"... I'm like, "who in the hell does that in real life?! I never did!".
Quite a few people talk about things they've done out of impulse or otherwise, after they've done them. Including having sex. I don't really see anything weird about it, even if that didn't happen to you personally.
 

Geigi

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Oh, and then there's a more generic problem I see with a lot of visual novels, and that is the "we need to talk about the sex we had"... I'm like, "who in the hell does that in real life?! I never did!". Whenever I see that starting up in a VN I roll my eyes and think "Oh no, not again! NO YOU DON'T NEED TO TALK!" LMAO... what is it with VNs and their need to have a serious talk after a quickie with a fuck buddy?? I don't know about the rest of you, but I didn't sit down and have a serious discussion after each hookup. LOL

I have thought about creating my own visual novel and adding in some humour into it. Like when someone wants a serious talk and then have the *DEV* suddenly comment with something humorous. I even had the idea that a character would avoid something common and annoying and not do it then have the a *DEV* comment appear where he says "someone's getting an extra orgasm in the next scene" ;)
Isn't there a difference between a one night stand and fwb or whatever it's called? So, it's logical you won't talk about sex with the person you fucked only once and don't want to again and it's logical to talk about sex with the person you have regular sex with.
 
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Oh, and then there's a more generic problem I see with a lot of visual novels, and that is the "we need to talk about the sex we had"... I'm like, "who in the hell does that in real life?! I never did!".
If you have sex with someone you weren't planning on having sex with (because of drink, drugs, impulsivity, or someone hitting on you quite aggressively out of nowhere) then having a conversation afterwards is generally a good idea.

It doesn't need to be a deep conversation but a little 'So are we dating now?' or a 'Do we want that to happen again?' or a 'That happened, how do you feel about it?' can be really useful in clearing the air and letting everyone know where they stand.

Porn games are full of impromptu sex... it wouldn't be realistic if women afterwards didn't pull the 'So... what... *are*... we?' breakfast conversation gambit.
 

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If you have sex with someone you weren't planning on having sex with (because of drink, drugs, impulsivity, or someone hitting on you quite aggressively out of nowhere) then having a conversation afterwards is generally a good idea.

It doesn't need to be a deep conversation but a little 'So are we dating now?' or a 'Do we want that to happen again?' or a 'That happened, how do you feel about it?' can be really useful in clearing the air and letting everyone know where they stand.

Porn games are full of impromptu sex... it wouldn't be realistic if women afterwards didn't pull the 'So... what... *are*... we?' breakfast conversation gambit.
Well, it never happened in my life. When I first met my wife, and when we first had sex, it was totally out of the blue, she was single, her fiance up and left her and we were just good friends. One day she showed up at my door and we had sex on the spot. I don't know what prompted it, and we never did talk about it, and we were married a long time.

I had sex with my wife's older sister (before we were married or dating), I walked with her to her friends place, and we got drunk, and smoked some weed, ended up at my room. I was doing the gentleman thing and was going to let her crash on my bed and I would sleep on the floor, only when I came back from the bathroom, she was in bed, covers pulled back and legs spread. Fucked her, never talked to her about it for the rest of our lives, though I did tell my future wife about sleeping with her sister before we got married (told her about everyone I ever slept with, so you know, no surprises)... I'll never forget that as my wife couldn't stop laughing at the thought of it. I slept with a childhood friend I grew up with, a random hookup when I was visiting relatives in town. No conversation about it to this day. I met a random woman on the street one night while sitting at a bus stop really late. went home with her for a coffee, ended up drinking booze and messing around with her. No conversation at all.

Maybe I am the exception to the rule, but I have just never had that happen. I see it far too much in visual novels and find it pointless. When I see them mention "I need to talk to her about what happened" and I am like, "WHY?!" LMAO... ah well. <shrug>
 

Hungover00

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Maybe I am the exception to the rule, but I have just never had that happen. I see it far too much in visual novels and find it pointless. When I see them mention "I need to talk to her about what happened" and I am like, "WHY?!" LMAO... ah well. <shrug>
I think you are the exception to never talk about it. It doesn't have to be involved, or soul-bearing, but even a "That was fun, we should do that again" can put the ball in their court to either agree, or discuss it in more detail. Also, just as an AAR it's good to communicate. Find out what the other person likes, dislikes, etc.
 
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Well, it never happened in my life. When I first met my wife, and when we first had sex, it was totally out of the blue, she was single, her fiance up and left her and we were just good friends. One day she showed up at my door and we had sex on the spot. I don't know what prompted it, and we never did talk about it, and we were married a long time.

I had sex with my wife's older sister (before we were married or dating), I walked with her to her friends place, and we got drunk, and smoked some weed, ended up at my room. I was doing the gentleman thing and was going to let her crash on my bed and I would sleep on the floor, only when I came back from the bathroom, she was in bed, covers pulled back and legs spread. Fucked her, never talked to her about it for the rest of our lives, though I did tell my future wife about sleeping with her sister before we got married (told her about everyone I ever slept with, so you know, no surprises)... I'll never forget that as my wife couldn't stop laughing at the thought of it. I slept with a childhood friend I grew up with, a random hookup when I was visiting relatives in town. No conversation about it to this day. I met a random woman on the street one night while sitting at a bus stop really late. went home with her for a coffee, ended up drinking booze and messing around with her. No conversation at all.

Maybe I am the exception to the rule, but I have just never had that happen. I see it far too much in visual novels and find it pointless. When I see them mention "I need to talk to her about what happened" and I am like, "WHY?!" LMAO... ah well. <shrug>
You need to work on your communication skills, clearly.
 
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