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KillerKlown

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The Problem isn't/wasn't Eva doing two MCs, though that didn't help.

It was the bloated cast of characters that needed pruning. Lena has tons of lame fuck boys she can date/cuck Ian with, why are there so many? No need for Robert to exist; Jeremy already does what the black bouncer does...whatever.

Lean's LIs outside of Ian: Stan, Simon, Louise OR Ivy, Jeremy, and INSERT FUCK BOY HERE for Lena

Ian LIs outside of Lena should be: Holly, Cindy, Minerva, and Louise or Ivy

Tons of non characters who sucked up space and routes
 

Blurpee69

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The Problem isn't/wasn't Eva doing two MCs, though that didn't help.

It was the bloated cast of characters that needed pruning. Lena has tons of lame fuck boys she can date/cuck Ian with, why are there so many? No need for Robert to exist; Jeremy already does what the black bouncer does...whatever.

Lean's LIs outside of Ian: Stan, Simon, Louise OR Ivy, Jeremy, and INSERT FUCK BOY HERE for Lena

Ian LIs outside of Lena should be: Holly, Cindy, Minerva, and Louise or Ivy

Tons of non characters who sucked up space and routes
Thanks for your input? A little out of left field perhaps. You also only subtracted one love interest from each character and added a character that doesn't exist, so I'm not sure your solution is effective. Who the fuck is Simon?
 

KillerKlown

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Actually 2 LIs from each character, 3 really lol

EDIT: Which is a massive, first sweep pruning. I'd go further. I don't like Allison, but I'd keep her because she fits a niche but then I'd just merge her character with Gillian. Remove Stan from Lena, because old rich guy still fulfills that role. That or keep Jermey as sole fuck boy.
 
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RobertKing

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Thanks for your input? A little out of left field perhaps. You also only subtracted one love interest from each character and added a character that doesn't exist, so I'm not sure your solution is effective. Who the fuck is Simon?
I totally find the issue being two protagonists. The story lines are the same, there is no big fork that can happen becuase the characters are on the same road. GGGB, there was an opportunity to have MAJOR story forks. ORS can't have that, the story lines for Lena and Ian, are like two balls bouncing down an alley. The characters can change a bit, but the alley keeps the story limited.
 
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KillerKlown

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Those Major Forks are overrated and don't mean as much to explortation as they appear. Illusion of Choice done well is better than choice, ect, ect.
 

BlandChili

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I think GGGB did a pretty good job of keeping the story forks within the cutlery drawer for the endings though. Ash basically has - besides a few blind alleys such as the one where the literally dies - basically a "job" and "romance" ending showing what she ends up doing for a living and who, if any, she romanced. Then it shows other NPC's and optionally Ash alongside them if she's still fucking them by the game's end.

I don't see Ian and Lena as being too different, even in spite of the dual protag thing. Like Rob said though the alley of choices we traverse this time feels more narrow because there are two balls this time and they intersect paths here and there constantly, bouching against each other too. I'm faily certain Eva will end up doing something similar still, what do each of them do at the end of the game, are they dating and if not who're each of them with if any, who's still fucking and what happened to the rest of the cast.

I like these metaphors. The story being an "alley" feels nice and dirty. :LOL:
 

Hungover00

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I do kind of wonder how the story will string Ian and Lena together after the beach house if they broke up. If they were just friends before hand and had committed to other people (or any and all people), I can see how things could stay friendly. But if they blow up, rather than commit to any of the different relationship flavours, it seems kind of too far gone at that point to salvage.

I am getting more of a ~16 chapter vibe from the story at the moment, not a ~20 chapter, but there is a hell of a lot of plots to wrap up. Model shoot, living situation, book competition, battle of the bands, Ian's new job, MMA tournament, and the approaching end states for every character (especially Gillian, Axel, and Ivy). Things could definitely slow and spread if the late introduced characters get focused on. This red string is a winding.
 

BlandChili

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I do kind of wonder how the story will string Ian and Lena together after the beach house if they broke up. If they were just friends before hand and had committed to other people (or any and all people), I can see how things could stay friendly. But if they blow up, rather than commit to any of the different relationship flavours, it seems kind of too far gone at that point to salvage.

I am getting more of a ~16 chapter vibe from the story at the moment, not a ~20 chapter, but there is a hell of a lot of plots to wrap up. Model shoot, living situation, book competition, battle of the bands, Ian's new job, MMA tournament, and the approaching end states for every character (especially Gillian, Axel, and Ivy). Things could definitely slow and spread if the late introduced characters get focused on. This red string is a winding.
Easy answer is that they'll become mindless fucking machines. No processing power to be bitter then!
 
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Lolicon Kami

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I do kind of wonder how the story will string Ian and Lena together after the beach house if they broke up.
Wait is it confirmed that Ian and Lena will get together in the end no matter what :eek::eek::eek:

Holly's my fav chara so I put Ian and Holly together, and I'm making Lena hook up / flirt with literally every other dude under the sun to keep her far far faaaaar away from Ian. I want a Ian/Holly happy monogamy ending :love:

(Of course, if the gamer is actively selecting choices that put Ian and Lena together, there should also be a happy Ian/Lena ending.
 

GokutheG

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Wait is it confirmed that Ian and Lena will get together in the end no matter what :eek::eek::eek:

Holly's my fav chara so I put Ian and Holly together, and I'm making Lena hook up / flirt with literally every other dude under the sun to keep her far far faaaaar away from Ian. I want a Ian/Holly happy monogamy ending :love:

(Of course, if the gamer is actively selecting choices that put Ian and Lena together, there should also be a happy Ian/Lena ending.
No they're talking about how the story will go for the pair if they were together and split on bad terms.

They don't have to interact at all. The only ties between them would be Holly and possibly Emma and Perry and that's only if he helps at the cafe.
 

GokutheG

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Also Jeremy if Lena indulges in her BBC fetish. And Ivy if Ian manages to impress her.
I underestimated just how intertwined Eva is trying to make their lives. I guess that be interesting for the people who enjoy that pairing.

Although I doubt if they had a bad split Ivy would be on the side of Ian and vice versa.
 
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