VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.5] [Eva Kiss]

[jaques]

The 4th image of Cindy with Axel, is that during sex? Since the position seems like it is.

You mean the polaroids at the end? That is what is implied, if you ask about it she doesn't deny.

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[Gicoo]

Yeah, Patreons are also convinced Stan is #1 so let's not get into that.

You could say the Charisma Ian is basically doing to Louise what Axel is doing with heart options Lena -- having her as a hookup that allows the guy to do anything to her, while making her believe that this is going to be something more. I.e. kind of the exact opposite of "Lena will romance and fix Axel for real" scenario.

I had the impression the charisma option was more like the wits option when dealing with Cindy - instead of being obedient to the girls until they break up with Ian on their own because he doesn't put on a stance, with these options Ian sets boundaries and forces Cindy and Louise to reevalute the relationship. Louise may start to stop clinging to him and take the relationship step by step, instead.

 

[DcntMood]

Do you need to pick only 1 girl for the whole game in order to achieve every scene with her, or you can juggle relationships?

 

[Elduriel]

Do you need to pick only 1 girl for the whole game in order to achieve every scene with her, or you can juggle relationships?

you can fuck around but you'll miss scenes that way. Even if you stick to one guy/girl, you'll probably (?) miss scenes because there are variations to some of them. Like kinda different if you are say on a love route, or just fucking. That's why this game has such a big replayability.

 

[Gicoo]

Do you need to pick only 1 girl for the whole game in order to achieve every scene with her, or you can juggle relationships?

You get most scenes if you commit to one girl. If you juggle, sooner or later Ian or they will break up, though cheating and open relationship is possible to an extent. Some scenes and variations are even only possible if you don't date them from the get go.

 

[ffive]

I had the impression the charisma option was more like the wits option when dealing with Cindy - instead of being obedient to the girls until they break up with Ian on their own because he doesn't put on a stance, with these options Ian sets boundaries and forces Cindy and Louise to reevalute the relationship. Louise may start to stop clinging to him and take the relationship step by step, instead.

Going by the game's script, Ian/Louise has 3 modes:

default ian_louise_dating = 0             # Ian agrees to start dating Louise (2=real relationship/1.5=lie to her/1=take it slowly)

That said, the "going slow" which is activated by Charisma checks is effectively stringing Louise along. Ian in his internal monologue makes note that he will make decision at later point if he actually breaks up with the other girl he's dating (if he is dating someone else) and for the time being Louise is just "useful backup".

Imo the very reason it's different attribute tested in these checks (charisma instead of wits) is because Ian has quite different goals in these two scenarios. With Cindy, the Wits Ian was working to have a genuine relationship. With Louise, the Charisma Ian is working to avoid getting "trapped" in one, but keeping Louise as someone he can still fuck without being forced to go exclusive and to give up on the other girl he's currently dating.

 

[varpep]

Thanks for the speed). But I use a clean version without mods and your save does not work for me and gives an error.

Maybe someone else can share saves who use a clean version of game.

 

[DcntMood]

you can fuck around but you'll miss scenes that way. Even if you stick to one guy/girl, you'll probably (?) miss scenes because there are variations to some of them. Like kinda different if you are say on a love route, or just fucking. That's why this game has such a big replayability.

so what is the best approach you'd say?I'm interested in getting maximum scenes,even though i prioritize scenes with Emma,Cindy and sharing every girl with Jeremy lol

 

[Gicoo]

Going by the game's script, Ian/Louise has 3 modes:

default ian_louise_dating = 0             # Ian agrees to start dating Louise (2=real relationship/1.5=lie to her/1=take it slowly)

That said, the "going slow" which is activated by Charisma checks is effectively stringing Louise along. Ian in his internal monologue makes note that he will make decision at later point if he actually breaks up with the other girl he's dating (if he is dating someone else) and for the time being Louise is just "useful backup".

Imo the very reason it's different attribute tested in these checks (charisma instead of wits) is because Ian has quite different goals in these two scenarios. With Cindy, the Wits Ian was working to have a genuine relationship. With Louise, the Charisma Ian is working to avoid getting "trapped" in one, but keeping Louise as someone he can still fuck without being forced to go exclusive.

Isn't the "lie to her" option the chad option? String her along and say what she wants to hear, but not give a a damn about her? Meanwhile, the third option to take it slowly is simply not rushing in a relationship since they had like one date.




First line is the take it slowly route, the other two lines are the lying route.

 

[BlandChili]

so what is the best approach you'd say?I'm interested in getting maximum scenes,even though i prioritize scenes with Emma,Cindy and sharing every girl with Jeremy lol

That's highly dependable. For example if you wanna share the most girls with Jeremy, which would be Emma and Alison, you'll lose out on some Alison content when going for Emma before being able to share Emma with Jeremy, because Alison disapproves of Ian getting with Emma if they've been hooking up.

Best approach would, unironically, just be to play the game. The various ways characters interact and block each other is too numerous to write out a specific guide for what you want.

For a general suggestion you can combine Cherry better with Emma and Cindy, so I would focus on them over Alison and Holly.

 

[Elduriel]

so what is the best approach you'd say?I'm interested in getting maximum scenes,even though i prioritize scenes with Emma,Cindy and sharing every girl with Jeremy lol

hmm maybe some who did routes like that could give you advice. On my Ian routes I stick to one girl on the romance path, that's what I prefer. And I let Lena to slut it up with whomever except the girl Ian is dating But I did a Lena/Holly romance pt yesterday, that was pretty sweet.

 

[DcntMood]

That's highly dependable. For example if you wanna share the most girls with Jeremy, which would be Emma and Alison, you'll lose out on some Alison content when going for Emma before being able to share her with Jeremy.

Best approach would, unironically, just be to play the game. The various ways characters interact and block each other is too numorous to write out a specific guide for what you want.

For a general suggestion you can combine Cherry better with Emma and Cindy, so I would focus on them over Alison and Holly.

Intuitevely,that's what i thought,so i think i'll do as you say,seems like Allison and Holly are getting dumped lol

 

[DcntMood]

hmm maybe some who did routes like that could give you advice. On my Ian routes I stick to one girl on the romance path, that's what I prefer. And I let Lena to slut it up with whomever except the girl Ian is dating But I did a Lena/Holly romance pt yesterday, that was pretty sweet.

haha man gotcha,thank you for your help

 

[Gicoo]

so what is the best approach you'd say?I'm interested in getting maximum scenes,even though i prioritize scenes with Emma,Cindy and sharing every girl with Jeremy lol

The common chad route is:

Fuck Cherry, agree to another date with Alison and fuck her, date and fuck Lena (don't date her in the long run), fuck Emma, have Ivy corrupt Holly, fuck Minerva, fuck Cindy, fuck Bad Jess, fuck corrupt Holly, fuck Louise, fuck Ivy in 2030.

 

[ffive]

Isn't the "lie to her" option the chad option? String her along and say what she wants to hear, but not give a a damn about her? Meanwhile, the third option to take it slowly is simply not rushing in a relationship since they had like one date.


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First line is the take it slowly route, the other two lines are the lying route.

This is Ian's script when he takes the "let's go slow" charisma options:

menu:
    "{image=icon_charisma.webp}Let's take things slowly..." if ian_charisma > 7:
    $ ian_louise_dating = 1
    //...
    i "Damn, she's intense... This might be a lot to handle, huh?"
    i "Maybe I'm getting into something I shouldn't, but I really like Louise... and it's obvious she's really into me."
    i "Well, if we can take things one step at a time, I'll see if I'm truly interested in starting something serious with her."
    if ian_lena_couple:
        i "I'd need to break up with Lena, though... But, all things considered, maybe that'd be the right choice for me."
        i "I'll need to think about it..."
    elif ian_cindy_love == "pure":
        i "There's no way I'm breaking up with Cindy now that we got this far... But I can have some fun with Louise for a while."
    elif ian_cindy_love:
        i "I'm not giving up on Cindy just yet... But if not, Louise could be a nice option to have. In any case, I can have some fun with her for a while."
    elif ian_cherry_love:
        i "I would need to break up with Cherry though, wouldn't I? And I like how things have been playing out between us so far..."
        i "I don't know."
    elif ian_alison_love:
        i "I would need to break up with Alison though, wouldn't I? And I like how things have been playing out between us so far..."
        i "I don't know."
    elif ian_emma_love > 1:
        i "But what about Emma? I feel our relationship just got to a whole new level."
        i "I wonder if Emma would be alright with me having two girlfriends... but I doubt Louise would like that deal!"
    else:
        i "I'm not ruling it out..."

In other words, while he isn't ruling it out entirely, he isn't truly interested in starting anything serious with Louise at this point, he says as much.

Note, this is variant which you have available if you went the "love route" with Louise in the first place. If your Ian simply "ejaculated and evacuated" then the Charisma option (while also a point harder to pass) has Ian even more explicit about not really wanting anything more from Louise:

    menu:
    "{image=icon_charisma.webp}Appease Louise" if ian_charisma > 8:
        if ian_lena_couple or ian_lena_dating:
        i "That's not it, Louise. You know I like you a lot too..."
        lo "Really? Then why haven't you dumped Lena already, huh?"
        i "We're not talking about Lena right now..."
        lo "It's all because of her, isn't it? You'd rather be with her! Of course you would!"
        lo "Lena, always Lena...! There's no way I can compete with her, is there? You're all the same!"
        jump v13louisenocouple2
        else:
        $ ian_louise_dating = 1
        i "Of course not! You know I like you a lot too... And I think I showed that."
        if ian_louise_use or v13_louise_choke:
            lo "Y-{w=0.3}yes, you did... The way you made love to me... You made me feel..."
            i "That you belong to me."
            lo "Yeah..."
        else:
            lo "Yeah, I guess..."
        if v13_louise_stay:
            i "I even stayed the night with you. I don't do that with any random girl either, you know?"
        else:
            lo "You could've stayed the night with me, though... That would've been nice."
        i "If you really want to be with me, you'll have to give me time to take off my armor. That's not something I do in front of just anyone... I haven't done it in years."
        i "With you, it felt special from the very beginning, that's why things moved so fast. But I don't want to get hurt again."
        i "You'll have to show me that you're really the woman you say you are, and that's going to take time... but I want to take that time with you. Is that okay?"
        lo "Yeah... I understand."
        i "Good. We'll talk more soon, okay? My friends are waiting for me now... but I hope to see you again soon."
        i "I really want to be with you again."
        lo "Me too... I miss you a lot."
        i "Then I'll see you as soon as you're back in Baluart. Good night, Louise."
        lo "Good night, handsome... Call me tomorrow if you feel like it."
        i "Alright... That should put Louise's concerns at bay for a while. I'm in no rush to get into a relationship with her..."
        if ian_cindy_love == "pure":
            i "There's no way I'm breaking things off with Cindy, especially not for Louise. But since no one even knows about me and Cindy yet..."
            i "I guess I can have a bit of fun with Louise for a little while, right?"
        elif ian_cindy_love:
            i "I'm not giving up on Cindy just yet... And if things play out well, there's no way I'm breaking things off with Cindy, especially not for Louise."
            i "In any case, I can have some fun with Louise for a while."
        elif ian_cherry_love:
            i "Cherry is the one I think I'd rather be with... I like how things have been playing out between us so far..."
            i "But since she's still going to be away for a while, I guess there's no harm in having a bit of fun with Louise in the meantime, right?"
        elif ian_alison_love:
            i "Alison is the one I think I'd rather be with... I like how things have been playing out between us so far..."
            i "But that doesn't mean I can't have some fun with Louise for a while, I guess..."
        elif ian_emma_love > 1:
            i "I wonder if Emma would be alright with me having two girlfriends... but I doubt Louise would like that deal!"
            i "Not that I have the time or energy to deal with two girlfriends... but Louise doesn't need to know that. At least not for now."
        else:
            i "I don't think I want to get into a relationship at all, but Louise doesn't need to know that. At least not for now."

 

[Elduriel]

haha man gotcha,thank you for your help

well it's a very heavily branched game, so yeah best advice is play around, do what you feel like doing, play it again and try different stuff.

 

[DcntMood]

The common chad route is:

Fuck Cherry, agree to another date with Alison and fuck her, date and fuck Lena (don't date her in the long run), fuck Emma, have Ivy corrupt Holly, fuck Minerva, fuck Cindy, fuck Bad Jess, fuck corrupt Holly, fuck Louise, fuck Ivy in 2030.

not really interested in fucking absolutely everyone,i don't really like Lena and would rather focus on 2-3 girls,and i'd like to share them with Jeremy,that's what my intention is at least,but people here tell i just need to play,i use multi-mod as a help

 

[Gicoo]

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Well, his response is mainly dickish if he already hooked up with another girl. Else all you have is

i "Damn, she's intense... This might be a lot to handle, huh?"
i "Maybe I'm getting into something I shouldn't, but I really like Louise... and it's obvious she's really into me."
i "Well, if we can take things one step at a time, I'll see if I'm truly interested in starting something serious with her."

which is perfectly reasonable and consderate.

Currently I assume
2 leads them into a rushed relationship in which either Ian will be annoyed by her or Louise get bored in the long run, just like with Lena.
1,5 is effectively Jeremy; Louise will demand commitment sooner or later and throw a tantrum the moment she finds out Ian cheats on her.
1 is either not promising her anything and still managing to nope out, or Ian can commit to her on a far more healthier level.

 

[Gicoo]

not really interested in fucking absolutely everyone,i don't really like Lena and would rather focus on 2-3 girls,and i'd like to share them with Jeremy,that's what my intention is at least,but people here tell i just need to play,i use multi-mod as a help

You wanted a run with the most scenes, which would be chad Ian fucking everyone.

I'd also advice a Cherry run, with Emma and Alison as sidedishes to share with Jeremy.

 

[ffive]

Well, his response is mainly dickish if he already hooked up with another girl. Else all you have is

which is perfectly reasonable and consderate.

I mean, this reasonable and considerate approach still includes "I'll see if I'm truly interested in starting something serious with her" which strongly indicates that Ian currently isn't truly interested in starting something serious with Louise, at least not to the point where he'd believe it himself. He chooses to just make her believe that he is, mainly to avoid delay drama.

Considering that the same value "1" is used both to mark the "let's not hurry" option regardless of which route you take, and one of them is naked "hell nope", i'm inclined to believe that both are intended for the same thing -- that is, to keep hooking up with Louise while making her believe that Ian wants something serious with her. While the truth is, he doesn't, either 100% or ~95%

After all, the Wits Ian x Cindy approach isn't used for two different outcomes, if we want to continue looking at it as analogy.

(not to mention, EK seems to absolutely relish dragging Louise through the mud for some reason, so i don't really see her somehow be able to bring herself to give Louise relationship some sort of actual and healthy ending