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Seymour is a prime idiot with money and the ego to buy people.
Lena is on the menu for many guys, most of which are way better looking and mannered
than Seymour, the blackmailer rapist who thinks a dumb photographing a beauty
and buying her charms makes him a proffesional.
Remember their talk: He will pick up photo-pornnography especially for Lena.
That is one creepy American Psycho threat if I ever heard one.
Still, players want to forget it and push Lena into the idiot,
forgetting the fact she has way better suitors than that wanna be photo blackmailer.
so falling in a trap so slimey and exaggerated is just one more dumb move to dumb her down as a character.
Lena is on the menu for many guys, most of which are way better looking and mannered
than Seymour, the blackmailer rapist who thinks a dumb photographing a beauty
and buying her charms makes him a proffesional.
Remember their talk: He will pick up photo-pornnography especially for Lena.
That is one creepy American Psycho threat if I ever heard one.
Still, players want to forget it and push Lena into the idiot,
forgetting the fact she has way better suitors than that wanna be photo blackmailer.
I'm all for Eva being pragmatic and keeping things as simple as possible within what's reasonable, but I think you're oversimplifying a bit here. Not everyone needs a scene, that's true. And it's easy to either not include Robert or give him a scene that doesn't impact any of the other paths. (That, however, depends on whether Eva keeps to what seems to be the plan, that Robert is out of the picture if Lena and Ian are in a relationship. And I think it's generally better if some of the sex scenes are mutually exclusive, which makes our choices more important and impactful. But yes, he can be kept out of the episode, or he can have a sex scene that doesn't significantly affect the rest of story.)
But what about Seymour? Eva can limit his interaction with Lena to a phone call and some interior monologue on her part afterwards. I don't think anyone is arguing that every character needs a scene in each chapter, but still it would just delay things until chapter 11. And in that case Eva will probably also have to tip-toe her way around the issue when writing chapter 10, because of how important it is to the story—which could eventually lead to more work than if she just starts dealing with it now.
The thing is that Lena's deal with Seymour doesn't just affect the relationship between the two of them. It also affects Lena's relationship to all the other photographers, and her job at the café, the restaurant and on Stalkfap. And Seymour's threaths also involve Ian and his career at the magazine and the writing contest. And if Lena rejects the deal, it will probably open up some other work related options that won't otherwise be available. (How could she otherwise afford a tramp stamp, nipple piercings and more horse sized dildos?)
Also it will probably affect the relationship between Lena and Ian. Does she tell him about the deal with Seymour? And if so, how does Ian react? Will it differ depending on whether the relationship is open or exclusive? And if Lena doesn't tell him about it, will he eventually find out? Or will Seymour even tell him about it, to show his dominance and clear away one of the obstacles that stands between him and Lena?
It's not like all of these issues have to be handled in chapter 10, but eventually I think they will, and to me that sounds extremely complex, and something that demands some serious planning on how it will all play out, in which order, and how one thing affects the other. Looking at the variations of a particular scene is useful, but it's not even close to illustrating the overall complexity of putting everything together.
Seeing the discussions about probable censorship and taming the content to adapt to Steam's rules reminds me of when I saw some people asking for rape in the early days after the game's first release
I think the reason GGGB didn't have any rape (and ORS likely won't have any either) is because Eva's games are somewhat realistic (as realistic as a sex VN can get without being boring), and realistically, rape isn't sexy
inb4: "real apha sigma chads rape women"![]()
If she likes it in the end, it's not rape. Source: japanese games![]()
Even after reading your message twice, I am still unable to see the impact of Seymour as something more than just moving the story forward. There are 3 options: "ignore him", "there no other choice work with him" and "yes daddy". Some dialog will be different, but I bet it won't be by much. Only time will tell, I will check the scripts once ch10 will be out.
I really tried to think of a reason why the development time evolved the way it did. The most basic comparison shows me that chapter 6 has 18 460 lines, while chapter 9 has 21 781 lines. The development time of chapter 6 was ~2 months but I will say 3 because some stuff was added later on. The development time of chapter 9 was ~5 months, but again I will say 6 because some new art appeared after the remaster. Now I will be a bit lazy, chapter 6 has 279 image files, while chapter 9 has 400. There a lot of overlays and images that might have been created in previous chapters (stalkfap content) so I will cut everything in half 140 v 200. Beside this data, I already talked about how an equal amount of paths have content. Basically a period that was twice as long generated 25% more content.
Chapter 10 is not out yet, but if we look at chapter 5 we can see that it had only 12 245 lines, but in two days we'll reach the 4 months of development mark. If you also add the months in which the remaster took place (5.5 months), in which you could plan ahead at least 2 chapters, we end up with some strange numbers.
So what happened ? It's a mystery, but for me, the complexity argument is not the answer. Maybe I just need to find something else to do, instead of popping around here every other day to see if there is any new "weekly" update. Even the communication has changed. In the last 8 weeks, there were 2 "weekly" updates.
Like some players will remember, Lena has actual proffessional photographers to go to,The complexity is pretty obvious explanation. With every chapter you are adding more choices and you have to take them into account later. So story automatically becomes more complicated (anybody who ever tried to write CHYOA knows that it's very hard to write and it's getting harder and harder with every added choice) while it grows. In case of this game it's even more complicated, because choices of one protagonist affects the other.
The only option to escape from this trap is to make story more streamlined to create closed "routes", so to speak. I think Eva started doing something like that in last chapter, when Lena loses all Will points after submitting to Axel.
so falling in a trap so slimey and exaggerated is just one more dumb move to dumb her down as a character.