VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.6] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

Isnt that the point through?
Play Ian side as a dating simulator,play Lena side as corruption simulator.

I don't know if this is the point, but having only one intended playstyle for either protagonist is quite limiting/boring in my view.

Also, i really don't buy the whole "corruption" angle from Lena's side -- does anyone seriously think that having vanilla sex with Roberts or Mikes, or getting back to her ex-boyfriend is "corrupting" Lena in any manner, when she has already engaged in water sports with her college professor some few years back? She is simply hooking up, like any normal girl who isn't in a relationship would. Or maybe cheating on her clueless boyfriend if she gets together with Ian, but this, too, has as much in common with "corruption" as milk toast.

 

[BlandChili]

Corruption, such as I have come to understand it from this forum, is getting a female character with a limited interest/understanding of sexual pleasure, to indulge in such.
Lena is by design already a "fully liberated female" in that sense, having both an open sexuality and several kinks.

The only real corruption for Lena in ORS are the cheating options, since she starts out as the victim of it herself.

 

[Xupuzulla]

What about the tattos,the stealing,the drugs,being basically Seymour sex slave,isnt that corruption?

 

[BlandChili]

What about the tattos,the stealing,the drugs,being basically Seymour sex slave,isnt that corruption?

Well, they all relate to the general theme I suppose. I can make an argument for each of them.

1. Tattoos. Hardly corruption related, practically everyone from my generation or younger has a tattoo of some kind or other. If Lena's tattoos were specifically sexual in expression there'd be a case for it.
2. Stealing. Sure it's corrupt, but it's not really the kind of corruption you're looking for in a porn game, right? The point of "corruption" is the submission to sexual pleasure and Lena's stealing is entirely unrelated to anything sexual. Ashley in GGGB is included in criminal activity after getting to sexual content on the gangster route for example. Lena's crime is more "civillian" I guess.
3. The drugs are a corrupting influence if they make Lena do something she would otherwise not have. Lena is already perfectly comfortable with her sexuality, so there is nothing here to corrupt. Since Lena forced to choose to accept Billy's invitation when she's on drugs, I assume we might see similar themes of continuing to do drugs railroading Lena towards the more sexual options when it comes to at least Billy.
4. Seymour. Lena is already, by her own admission, sexually submissive. Seymour might be paying her to do very sexual things, but so far they aren't all that different from things she can already choose to do independently, nude modelling and making sexual content for others viewing pleasure.

 

[ffive]

The only real corruption for Lena in ORS are the cheating options, since she starts out as the victim of it herself.

I actually wonder about it, in the sense that when Lena and Ian meet in the game's prologue, she complains about her boyfriend being angry with her for making him jealous, and how they fight over how possessive and controlling he is. While we presume that the boyfriend in question is just an asshole (and well, he is) i'm not excluding possibility that Lena was actually quite open to flirting with other guys/girls, and that Axel's complaints and jealousy weren't entirely unwarranted.

In other words, Lena's shock/trauma could be very much coming from the fact she was the one who was cheated on, and less so from how she feels about cheating in general. This would also explain to some extent why she never stops to consider what she's subjecting Mike's girlfriend to, when she goes all out to flirt with him and seduce him. And how her internal thoughts when she cheats on Ian are all basically "i know i shouldn't be doing this but i just don't care because i'm so damn horny".

 

[| Vee |]

No hate for Ian but not many prefer to play as him

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Most of EK fans are from GGGB(FMC Game) and the most easiest way to indulge in debauchery? Yes that's right through FMC cutting MMC directly as now FMC have the liberty of choices to choose from. MMC is a middle-man in every female corruption game out there. that's why people prefer Lena over Ian. "Why do MMC have to choose FMC when FMC can choose herself" mentality. And polls show exactly that many prefer Lena than those who enjoy both and than those who don't enjoy Ian stating that many people don't want Ian' content to be cut from the game 49% and 33% only 17% don't want or just want Ian to be removed, that's minority.

 

[BlandChili]

I actually wonder about it, in the sense that when Lena and Ian meet in the game's prologue, she complains about her boyfriend being angry with her for making him jealous, and how they fight over how possessive and controlling he is. While we presume that the boyfriend in question is just an asshole (and well, he is) i'm not excluding possibility that Lena was actually quite open to flirting with other guys/girls, and that Axel's complaints and jealousy weren't entirely unwarranted.

In other words, Lena's shock/trauma could be very much coming from the fact she was the one who was cheated on, and less so from how she feels about cheating in general. This would also explain to some extent why she never stops to consider what she's subjecting Mike's girlfriend to, when she goes all out to flirt with him and seduce him. And how her internal thoughts when she cheats on Ian are all basically "i know i shouldn't be doing this but i just don't care because i'm so damn horny".

I guess the player will be the one to define it.

 

[Leongen43]

What about the tattos,the stealing,the drugs,being basically Seymour sex slave,isnt that corruption?

No, it's just a bitch who doesn't know what to do with her money or are we the bitches who don't know what to do with her money, Lena, which one will it be?

 

[Xupuzulla]

Well, they all relate to the general theme I suppose. I can make an argument for each of them.

1. Tattoos. Hardly corruption related, practically everyone from my generation or younger has a tattoo of some kind or other. If Lena's tattoos were specifically sexual in expression there'd be a case for it.
2. Stealing. Sure it's corrupt, but it's not really the kind of corruption you're looking for in a porn game, right? The point of "corruption" is the submission to sexual pleasure and Lena's stealing is entirely unrelated to anything sexual. Ashley in GGGB is included in criminal activity after getting to sexual content on the gangster route for example. Lena's crime is more "civillian" I guess.
3. The drugs are a corrupting influence if they make Lena do something she would otherwise not have. Lena is already perfectly comfortable with her sexuality, so there is nothing here to corrupt. Since Lena forced to choose to accept Billy's invitation when she's on drugs, I assume we might see similar themes of continuing to do drugs railroading Lena towards the more sexual options when it comes to at least Billy.
4. Seymour. Lena is already, by her own admission, sexually submissive. Seymour might be paying her to do very sexual things, but so far they aren't all that different from things she can already choose to do independently, nude modelling and making sexual content for others viewing pleasure.

So the corruption has to be sexual?
She has to eat Stan ass out of nowhere or something?

 

[Xupuzulla]

No, it's just a bitch who doesn't know what to do with her money or are we the bitches who don't know what to do with her money, Lena, which one will it be?

I dont know,man,everytime i made her steal money i also made her buy clothes as prize for being a good thief

 

[BlandChili]

So the corruption has to be sexual?
She has to eat Stan ass out of nowhere or something?

Yeah, I mean, the sexual content is the point of these games right? And the only way to corrupt something is to make it do something that it otherwise wouldn't do.

In GGGB Ashley starts out in a relationship and with a preset idea of what a relationship is and what a partner is, what she wants to do with her life, through the sexual content in the game the player gets to corrupt these concepts for her.
Lena by comparison starts the game completely open, even if the game does say she's been in a rut from trauma from her last relationship, the only way to corrupt Lena is to make her do things she wouldn't do before. Problem with that being that since Lena is a very open person there isn't actually anything to suggest what she'd have been closed of to before. You say eating Stan's ass out, but we don't know if Lena is reluctant to rim someone or if she has ever had sex with a fat guy before.

 

[| Vee |]

I actually wonder about it, in the sense that when Lena and Ian meet in the game's prologue, she complains about her boyfriend being angry with her for making him jealous, and how they fight over how possessive and controlling he is. While we presume that the boyfriend in question is just an asshole (and well, he is) i'm not excluding possibility that Lena was actually quite open to flirting with other guys/girls, and that Axel's complaints and jealousy weren't entirely unwarranted.

In other words, Lena's shock/trauma could be very much coming from the fact she was the one who was cheated on, and less so from how she feels about cheating in general. This would also explain to some extent why she never stops to consider what she's subjecting Mike's girlfriend to, when she goes all out to flirt with him and seduce him. And how her internal thoughts when she cheats on Ian are all basically "i know i shouldn't be doing this but i just don't care because i'm so damn horny".

That is pretty much a close description of Lena's personality so far given how she behaves also if you consider the fact that she never consider or ponders on having sex with Ivy as cheating too, that was a bit meh that you would at least consider having sex with Louise "I know I shouldn't do this but..."(as she does with any other character) and when Ivy she doesn't even give a thought to it. What you said is probable.

 

[fatpussy123]

So the corruption has to be sexual?
She has to eat Stan ass out of nowhere or something?

Yes? It's a porn game so the corruption should at least be tangentially related to sex. GGGB had Ashley joining a gang, which is corruption, but she was also getting her back blown out by the gang members. In ORS Lena can steal from the register but it has nothing to do with the sexual aspect of the game. Maybe if she got caught by Ed and had to seduce her way out the situation or her getting caught would lead to a blackmail scenario. As it is now Lenas moral corruption isn't tied to her sexual corruption (except in the cheating paths).

 

[| Vee |]

Well, they all relate to the general theme I suppose. I can make an argument for each of them.

1. Tattoos. Hardly corruption related, practically everyone from my generation or younger has a tattoo of some kind or other. If Lena's tattoos were specifically sexual in expression there'd be a case for it.
2. Stealing. Sure it's corrupt, but it's not really the kind of corruption you're looking for in a porn game, right? The point of "corruption" is the submission to sexual pleasure and Lena's stealing is entirely unrelated to anything sexual. Ashley in GGGB is included in criminal activity after getting to sexual content on the gangster route for example. Lena's crime is more "civillian" I guess.
3. The drugs are a corrupting influence if they make Lena do something she would otherwise not have. Lena is already perfectly comfortable with her sexuality, so there is nothing here to corrupt. Since Lena forced to choose to accept Billy's invitation when she's on drugs, I assume we might see similar themes of continuing to do drugs railroading Lena towards the more sexual options when it comes to at least Billy.
4. Seymour. Lena is already, by her own admission, sexually submissive. Seymour might be paying her to do very sexual things, but so far they aren't all that different from things she can already choose to do independently, nude modelling and making sexual content for others viewing pleasure.

What you said is true but it also depends on the character in the story for example: "Holly". Than what is considered corruption will differ way too much from someone such as Lena, Ivy, Louise, Jessica etc. I'm not limiting corruption only to sex but as personality and open to try new things which they wouldn't do before and sex ultimately falls into this too.

 

[BlandChili]

What you said is true but it also depends on the character in the story for example: "Holly". Than the corruption elements will differ way too much from someone such as Lena, Ivy, Louise, Jessica etc.

Of course, but the subject we were discussing was Lena, which is why I didn't mention Holly.

 

[| Vee |]

Of course, but the subject we were discussing was Lena, which is why I didn't mention Holly.

Than yes you're right!

 

[Leongen43]

I dont know,man,everytime i made her steal money i also made her buy clothes as prize for being a good thief

I guess it's option two then, it's a shame we don't have the option of raising money to leave the apartment and let those two losers kill each other or maybe have a hate relationship, right?

 

[BlandChili]

I guess it's option two then, it's a shame we don't have the option of raising money to leave the apartment and let those two losers kill each other or maybe have a hate relationship, right?

Wonder what a studio apartment in Baluart costs. In GGGB I think Ashley's apartment cost 3 "moneys."
I think Emma mentions, early on too, that she's renting out a room in her flat share. I always wondered if that'd come to play a role for Ian or Lena.

 

[ffive]

That is pretty much a close description of Lena's personality so far given how she behaves also if you consider the fact that she never consider or ponders on having sex with Ivy as cheating too, that was a bit meh that you would at least consider having sex with Louise "I know I shouldn't do this but..."(as she does with any other character) and when Ivy she doesn't even give a thought to it. What you said is probable.

Thinking about it a little more, it may also be significant that Lena's train of thoughts on this generally goes "i know i shouldn't but..." rather than "cheating is bad but..." i.e. it reads more like she's acknowledging social norm she "should" conform with and not really something she personally feels all that strong about (when not being on the receiving end, that is)

 

[| Vee |]

Thinking about it a little more, it may also be significant that Lena's train of thoughts on this generally goes "i know i shouldn't but..." rather than "cheating is bad but..." i.e. it reads more like she's acknowledging social norm she "should" conform with and not really something she personally feels all that strong about (when not being on the receiving end, that is)

I HAVE to play again and give Lena thoughts more scrutiny.
I think we all may have been blinded and didn't even consider the possibility until you mentioned.