VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.6] [Eva Kiss]

[Jplays512]

Here for example.....just like Lena is letting him know, same way Ian can let her know. After the threesomes to get the SOLO scenes, what is wrong with this?

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this is the correct way to do a threesome where one of the partners scouts. You get permission first so it isn’t cheating. If you sleep with the person and then bring up doing it for a threesome it is just cheating.

Now if you have an agreement to have one of the partners scout and you give them free range it is not a problem but that is usually quite rare. Usually you have both partners approach the person and invite them so it is less grey area.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

This comes up in certain conditions:

        if (v10_ivy_sex and ian_lena_open != "ian" and ian_lena_open != "lena" and lena_cheating != 2 and holly_trinity < 2 and ian_cuck < 2 and lena_seymour_sex == False) or (v11_shower_sex and ian_lena_open != "ian" and ian_lena_open != "lena" and lena_cheating != 2 and holly_trinity < 2 and ian_cuck < 2 and lena_seymour_sex == False):

Basically this is on "pure couple" path, where Lena doesn't want to cheat on Ian and he isn't a cuck. Technically, Lena and Ian on this path agreed to only have threesomes together, not for either of them to sleep with other people all on one's own. Hence she's confirming with Ian if he'd be okay with such exception to their arrangement.

Okay.....then same can also be done from Ian POV no? Lets say Ivy and Ian are getting closer to fuck, Ian texts Lena the same things before he fucks her, since that would be an exception to the agreement as well. And lena should feel comfortable with it since,
1] She also fucked her solo
2] Both her and Ian fucked her in a 3some.

Same applies to other girls from 3somes. Thats what im trying to say.
But EK botched that with the first Ian & Louise solo scene, i dont want to see that repeating with the upcoming threesomes with other girls like Ivy & Emma

 

[MixQQ]

According to most males*

nah, only for lesbian cucks. Normal men will leave cheating trash immediately.

 

[MF_DOOM]

So, is there actually anything new in the beta version or is it just bug fixes and technical stuff?

 

[CreativeCritic2]

Lesbianism is not cheating, according to EK

It's one of two things...

a) It's not cheating because bisexual sex doesn't count.
b) It's not cheating because it isn't real sex if it doesn't involve a cock going into a pussy or ass.

Neither is correct but both are amazingly prevalent notions. I know a lesbian woman who is *constantly* at it but if she goes to a doctor to talk about her reproductive health, her doctor puts her down as a virgin because she's never fucked a guy.

Eva is a thoughtful writer with a real eye for the subtleties of human sexuality but she also has some quite regressive ideas that surface from time to time.

 

[fatpussy123]

Cheating is done when you sleep with someone your partner doesn't want you to. For most people that means anyone that's not your partner. In open relationships it's not cheating to sleep around, but would be cheating if your partner said not to sleep with someone specific and you still did. For certain couples, both fictional and in real life, it's not cheating if the woman sleeps with other women. From both Ian and Lena's perspective, it's not a big deal for Lena to sleep with Louise. That doesn't give Ian the right to sleep with Louise, threesome or not, the code of ethics dictates no sleeping with someone your girlfriend doesn't want you sleeping with, in Lena's case and most 99% of other women, that means all women. If Ian doesn't like these rules, he shouldn't be in a romantic relationship.

And if we want to say Ian should be given the opportunity to be upset at Lena for sleeping with Louise, I would agree, but the game does not have infinite choices. And certain things need to be hard coded into Ian. The fact that he is into FFM threesomes is also hard coded. Sucks, but we can't decide his stance on lesbian sex during hetero romance.

 

[Blurpee69]

Lesbianism is not cheating, according to EK; hence, Lena gets out scot-free. Can't say that for Ian cuz he's not a lesbian.

Simple solution. Go full brokeback with Wade or Jeremy. Not cheating cuz it's gay.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Simple solution. Go full brokeback with Wade or Jeremy. Not cheating cuz it's gay.

There is nothing gay about a friendly Brojob between bros.

 

[Geigi]

b) It's not cheating because it isn't real sex if it doesn't involve a cock going into a pussy or ass.

I know a lesbian woman who is *constantly* at it but if she goes to a doctor to talk about her reproductive health, her doctor puts her down as a virgin because she's never fucked a guy.

It's the old mentality of a girl becomes a woman when she's consummating her marriage on a wedding night.

For certain couples, both fictional and in real life, it's not cheating if the woman sleeps with other women. From both Ian and Lena's perspective, it's not a big deal for Lena to sleep with Louise. That doesn't give Ian the right to sleep with Louise, threesome or not, the code of ethics dictates no sleeping with someone your girlfriend doesn't want you sleeping with, in Lena's case and most 99% of other women, that means all women.

That's because those couples(guy and a girl)don't see women as threat if a woman is bisexual. You are right though, for 99% other women are threat when they are in a heterosexual relationship, just like for guys other men are threat in heterosexual relationship.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

Cheating is done when you sleep with someone your partner doesn't want you to. For most people that means anyone that's not your partner. In open relationships it's not cheating to sleep around, but would be cheating if your partner said not to sleep with someone specific and you still did. For certain couples, both fictional and in real life, it's not cheating if the woman sleeps with other women. From both Ian and Lena's perspective, it's not a big deal for Lena to sleep with Louise. That doesn't give Ian the right to sleep with Louise, threesome or not, the code of ethics dictates no sleeping with someone your girlfriend doesn't want you sleeping with, in Lena's case and most 99% of other women, that means all women. If Ian doesn't like these rules, he shouldn't be in a romantic relationship.

And if we want to say Ian should be given the opportunity to be upset at Lena for sleeping with Louise, I would agree, but the game does not have infinite choices. And certain things need to be hard coded into Ian. The fact that he is into FFM threesomes is also hard coded. Sucks, but we can't decide his stance on lesbian sex during hetero romance.

When did Lena specifically say Ian should not sleep with louise solo? That's the point. It is not even mentioned, its presumed. Just like Lena asking for Ian's permission to fuck Ivy, the same thing can also happen in case of Ian. That's the point which i was discussing. You can read it a few posts above.

 

[ffive]

PilotLara seems there's couple minor bugs left in the beta:

            elif v13_louise_date:
                "And to make things sweeter, I had my date with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked really promising..."
//...
            elif v13_louise_date:
                "I tried not to beat myself over it more than necessary. My focus was on the date I had with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked promising..."

The second check in those two should be for v13_minerva_date instead of louise again.

 

[ffive]

When did Lena specifically say Ian should not sleep with louise solo? That's the point. It is not even mentioned, its presumed.

When they made the arrangement that their "experimenting" in the relationship would be together. All way back in CH.8. And then later when they agreed to have a threesome with Louise. Not that Ian would be free to fuck her on his own.

It's not presumed, it's explicitly stated and Ian recognizes it, hence all his internal monologues on how problematic it is for him to sleep with Louise solo.

I get that you want carte blanche to fuck Louise alone, but this simply doesn't match how the story has arranged Lena/Ian pairing. At least when they are not in open relationship which can be established in Ch.12.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Cheating is processed differently between men and women tbh.

A girl isn't a threat cuz it often doesn't have performance implications (or lack thereof) to the guy being cheated on.

If a girl cheats on a dude with another dude, questions like size, performance and whatnot gonna rise up for the guy being cheated. Most dudes won't think about whether a girl can fuck their girl better.

Similarly a girl will compare beauty, age and whatnot if they got cheated on with another girl. Meanwhile if it's a dude... Well, it's mostly humiliating more than anything else I assume.


I don't think the psyche of cheating is badly done in ORS. But tbh, the only way to understand that properly is if Ian bangs another dude which, for my mental health, hopefully won't happen.

 

[Xupuzulla]

The only thing i know is that Lena is having lesbians parties with the whole female cast but gets mad if Ian fucks the that grounded geek Holly,fuck off

 

[PilotLara]

PilotLara seems there's couple minor bugs left in the beta:

            elif v13_louise_date:
                "And to make things sweeter, I had my date with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked really promising..."
//...
            elif v13_louise_date:
                "I tried not to beat myself over it more than necessary. My focus was on the date I had with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked promising..."

The second check in those two should be for v13_minerva_date instead of louise again.

 

[ffive]

Case in point:

 

[Geigi]

Case in point:

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Yeah, imagine MMC and FMC games start having lesbians who will ntr husbands instead of ugly bastards. Male players who don't like lesbian content would be pissed off.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

When they made the arrangement that their "experimenting" in the relationship would be together. All way back in CH.8. And then later when they agreed to have a threesome with Louise. Not that Ian would be free to fuck her on his own.

It's not presumed, it's explicitly stated and Ian recognizes it, hence all his internal monologues on how problematic it is for him to sleep with Louise solo.

I get that you want carte blanche to fuck Louise alone, but this simply doesn't match how the story has arranged Lena/Ian pairing. At least when they are not in open relationship which can be established in Ch.12.

You guys are just not getting the point….
“Together” means Lena as well, she is going around fucking every girl solo without even telling Ian first. The recent update is the first time where she explicitly asks Ian if it would be okay for her to fuck Ivy.
I had explained in detail about how their “experimenting together” arrangement is making exceptions for lena to go solo with girls. But no option for Ian to even ask for the same exceptions.
When Ian & Louise were flirting, was it soo difficult for Ian to ask lena, “Hey, ever since we had that 3some, louise has been trying to get me to fuck her, would it be okay if i had sexual fun with her?”.
Simple……

And i just want this thing to happen in case of Ivy & Emma, we are definitely getting 3somes with them, but Ian needs solo scene with Ivy man, without dumping Lena. Ask her permission ffs, just like she is asking Ian’s

 

[notstaged]

It is not even mentioned, its presumed.

The game is still in active development, this particular chapter is in beta, shit is being fixed and added on the go. It is likely both cases of Lena texting about "asking permission" was just thrown in there, since open relationship path is not a priority and is often left behind as an afterthought in favor of other major plots. I would recommend to stop obsessing over it.

Anyway, EK didn't put much thought into Louise situation beyond the broad concept of "what if Lena had a girl on a leash, wouldn't that be fun". After the threesome Lena's explanation of their shared history went something like "well, we're just small bean girls, doing girly things, like reading Vanity Fair together and I just kind of shoved a dildo up her snatch, those things happen" and the whole thing got shrugged off.

 

[haryel]

Do anyone have saves for each of the routes for ch12 onwards?