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There is always the option for Eva Kiss to include that content in the game but making it possible that you can choose if you wanna see those things or not.
That's insane! Do you realize just how much work that would involve?! The game already has a lot of paths to account for with two character, let alone adding in a dozen kinks.

I hope the next chapters will include an Arthur character :)
That would be a nice touch actually. But the game is already pretty full up on characters and paths. I can't even imagine the headache it is to keep track of all the options as it is.
 

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Do you think that it was last remaster in ORS development or there will be some more? :)
I hope not, so that the actual development speeds up. Eva Kiss argued that the rewrite was necessary for all future chapters, an explanation I can accept, depending how the rest of the game will turn out.

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GGGB required two years to develop. This game is not even half done after two years and updates become even rarer from my understanding.

Now, is the game better than GGGB? Yes, assuming it is finished and the quality stays the same.

Is it so much better that it requires not 2 years but... 4, 6, 8 years? Absolutely not.

Unless the development speed isn't improving, I will drop patreon after the next version. I'm not paying for a 4-8 year development speed.
 
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I hope not, so that the actual development speeds up. Eva Kiss argued that the rewrite was necessary for all future chapters, an explanation I can accept, depending how the rest of the game will turn out.

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GGGB required two years to develop. This game is not even half done after two years and updates become even rarer from my understanding.

Now, is the game better than GGGB? Yes, assuming it is finished and the quality stays the same.

Is it so much better that it requires not 2 years but... 4, 6, 8 years? Absolutely not.

Unless the development speed isn't improving, I will drop patreon after the next version. I'm not paying for a 4-8 year development speed.
The visual and technical improvements are not the bottleneck - it's the writing. The developer has been experiencing a writing slump for more than a year. The latest progress update wasn't too optimistic either because Eva Kiss said she has just started to write the next chapter, and it's mentally taxing for her. I was skeptical from the beginning about ORS because I thought the project was too ambitious for its own good. Sadly, I might've been correct with my initial assumptions.
 

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I want to see Cindy getting more integrated with Lena's side of things. A drunken conversation where she asks Lena what Axel's like in bed would be good to develop her curiosity..
 
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That would be a nice touch actually. But the game is already pretty full up on characters and paths. I can't even imagine the headache it is to keep track of all the options as it is.
At this point, i think only Ed that has the possibilities to be "Arthur" like character but of course not as extreme as Arthur was in GGGB (Eva included him in the new poster for her patreon), and yes, this game already had too many character in them, so its kinda difficult to introduce new character like Arthur in this game, because of the complexity of this game
 
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The latest progress update wasn't too optimistic either because Eva Kiss said she has just started to write the next chapter, and it's mentally taxing for her.
I didn't read that as a pesimistic sign; rather as a statement that it's just the way this part of the process is. I find that relatable myself, at least: When you're thinking out ideas in your own head and then later plotting out the basics of the story, it feels energizing and it's easy to be creative; but when you have to sit down and actually write the whole thing, it's most often hard work and quite draining (especially with the complexity of a story like this). Still, it's just a necessary job you have to work through to get the reward of a finished product.

That's just my interpretation, though, and I guess yours might just as well be right—or somewhere in between. But generally I think the status updates have been more optimistic the last few months, and she's also posting more regularly on Patreon, which I'd say is a good sign.

Guys, what's the most evil/douche desicions you can make for both Ian and Lena in your opinion? If it's possible elaborate this choises.
Out of all the douchy moves I think the worst is for Ian to lie to Cherry and Lena to keep seeing both of them. It's actually possible to have sex with Cherry in Chapter 9 and still enter a relationship with Lena the day after, it's just a bit intricate to reach it. That involves Cherry explicitly asking if Ian and Lena are serious (during their meeting at the bar), Ian answering that Lena's just a friend, and Cherry deciding to go home with him as a result of that. Before that she's made it clear that she don't want to come between him and Lena after what happened between them in the past.

I can't remember exactly what Ian answers when Lena asks him about his relationship to Cherry, but the gist of it is that he wasn't aware that they knew each other and that it was just a casual hookup. I don't think he explicitly states that he won't meet her again, but at least it seems like common sense after the conversation they've just had.

So at the end of Chapter 9 you can have a Ian who's still involved with Cherry, while she thinks Lena is just a friend to him; though he's really in a relationship with Lena, who herself believes Ian and Cherry just hooked up as a one time thing. That's just extremely manipulative and a completely horrible thing to do, considering their history.

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I didn't read that as a pesimistic sign; rather as a statement that it's just the way this part of the process is. I find that relatable myself, at least: When you're thinking out ideas in your own head and then later plotting out the basics of the story, it feels energizing and it's easy to be creative; but when you have to sit down and actually write the whole thing, it's most often hard work and quite draining (especially with the complexity of a story like this). Still, it's just a necessary job you have to work through to get the reward of a finished product.

That's just my interpretation, though, and I guess yours might just as well be right—or somewhere in between. But generally I think the status updates have been more optimistic the last few months, and she's also posting more regularly on Patreon, which I'd say is a good sign.



Out of all the douchy moves I think the worst is for Ian to lie to Cherry and Lena to keep seeing both of them. It's actually possible to have sex with Cherry in Chapter 9 and still enter a relationship with Lena the day after, it's just a bit intricate to reach it. That involves Cherry explicitly asking if Ian and Lena are serious (during their meeting at the bar), Ian answering that Lena's just a friend, and Cherry deciding to go home with him as a result of that. Before that she's made it clear that she don't want to come between him and Lena after what happened between them in the past.

I can't remember exactly what Ian answers when Lena asks him about his relationship to Cherry, but the gist of it is that he wasn't aware that they knew each other and that it was just a casual hookup. I don't think he explicitly states that he won't meet her again, but at least it seems like common sense after the conversation they've just had.

So at the end of Chapter 9 you can have a Ian who's still involved with Cherry, while she thinks Lena is just a friend to him; though he's really in a relationship with Lena, who herself believes Ian and Cherry just hooked up as a one time thing. That's just extremely manipulative and a completely horrible thing to do, considering their history.

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Thank you. Gonna try it for another walkthrough as a complete douche.
 

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I hope not, so that the actual development speeds up. Eva Kiss argued that the rewrite was necessary for all future chapters, an explanation I can accept, depending how the rest of the game will turn out.

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GGGB required two years to develop. This game is not even half done after two years and updates become even rarer from my understanding.

Now, is the game better than GGGB? Yes, assuming it is finished and the quality stays the same.

Is it so much better that it requires not 2 years but... 4, 6, 8 years? Absolutely not.

Unless the development speed isn't improving, I will drop patreon after the next version. I'm not paying for a 4-8 year development speed.
I still prefer just one character (female MC) like GGGB. I think it gives more options and paths and is less work for the DEV which translates to more frequent updates. I loved how replayable GGGB was, this feels a lot less so.
 

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GGGB is a more complete game than ORS in its current form, obviously. but the quality of writing in ORS far surpasses GGGB. characters are much more fully realized this time around.
This will take longer and more work to complete than GGGB due to the increased complexity, but if he/she can pull it off, it may end up being much better. Time will tell. I certainly appreaciate both games and the work put into them. It's not easy.
 

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I didn't read that as a pesimistic sign; rather as a statement that it's just the way this part of the process is. I find that relatable myself, at least: When you're thinking out ideas in your own head and then later plotting out the basics of the story, it feels energizing and it's easy to be creative; but when you have to sit down and actually write the whole thing, it's most often hard work and quite draining (especially with the complexity of a story like this). Still, it's just a necessary job you have to work through to get the reward of a finished product.
The thing is, it has been one and a half months since the last alpha. Half the art and just starting to write sounds more like 3 weeks into a three month cycle.

I can't remember exactly what Ian answers when Lena asks him about his relationship to Cherry, but the gist of it is that he wasn't aware that they knew each other and that it was just a casual hookup. I don't think he explicitly states that he won't meet her again, but at least it seems like common sense after the conversation they've just had.
He says that it was just a casual hookup, which is true, and Lena accepts that. And as far as I remember it is never brought up again between the two.
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It is rather suspicious that Lena doesn't ask about Cherry at all when she agrees to a relationship with Ian like he brings up Robert. In fact Cherry doesn't factor into the decision besides being one reason for an open relationship.
Maybe Ian might just automatically break it off with Cherry next change like Lena does with Mike and Robert. Or maybe we are railroaded into some mayor drama.

So at the end of Chapter 9 you can have a Ian who's still involved with Cherry, while she thinks Lena is just a friend to him; though he's really in a relationship with Lena, who herself believes Ian and Cherry just hooked up as a one time thing. That's just extremely manipulative and a completely horrible thing to do, considering their history.

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The thing is, it has been one and a half months since the last alpha. Half the art and just starting to write sounds more like 3 weeks into a three month cycle.
I don’t think it’s fully fair to compare with the alpha release here. In that case a three month cycle should be split into 2 1/2 months of making the alpha, and 1/2 month to refine the alpha into the final version, with the latter part coming first. In that case we’re only one month into the 2 1/2 month cycle of making the alpha. Still, I agree it doesn’t sound like it’s 40 percent finished either.

I think the estimate of 140 illustrations is higher than for the previous episodes though (I believe the last few ones originally, before the remake, had around 100), so maybe it’ll take a bit longer but also lead to an even bigger episode.

It is rather suspicious that Lena doesn't ask about Cherry at all when she agrees to a relationship with Ian like he brings up Robert. In fact Cherry doesn't factor into the decision besides being one reason for an open relationship.
Maybe Ian might just automatically break it off with Cherry next change like Lena does with Mike and Robert. Or maybe we are railroaded into some mayor drama.
I might be wrong, but I remember it like the “Lena > 8” part of the relationship requirements was added between the alpha and final version of Chapter 9. If that’s correct, I would think it’s an indication that Eva wants to have some drama on that path.

I finally got around to have a look at the script and image files, and noticed that Cherry’s one of a limited number of characters who has a crying facial expression for her character sprite. That doesn’t have to mean anything, but I guess it could also indicate that Eva’s got some plans where Ian (or Lena) ends up breaking her heart. I wouldn’t mind if Cherry gets a bigger role from now on, both because I like her as a character and because there’s a lot of potential for her route with how she’s involved in both protagonists’ stories.

And yes, the information in your last spoiler was exactly what I was trying to say, your way of saying it was just a whole lot easier. :D
 
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