VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Gato21]

This happens in every thread, there are always some entitled people ready to complain. My only surprise is how long it took to happen here.

I am sure if you look back on this thread there is another dry spell where people don't have new content to talk about, so they whine, spin conspiracies, and troll instead.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Only it's not thinking, it's whining. "Oh no, we haven't gotten new content in SEVERAL MONTHS, what a tragedy!" These guys apparently don't even check the Patreon posts that the episode is being worked on, or do you believe it's milking? Well that's bullshit, if you want to see some real scam-milking, check out Patreon of Mulan, who has been promising for almost two years that an update on Defenestration is about to come out, just a little longer.

You wrote that what used to be done in 2-3 months is done in 4-5 months. Well of course, what did you expect? First of all, after the remaster, a new bar is set in the quality of art, which takes more time to create. Secondly, the number of branches, which need to develop in one way or another in the next or through one episode has reached its peak for the two protagonists, which is written by one person, and given the scheme that in one episode the scenes will be with one half of the cast, and in the next one the other, it requires thinking outside the box, to keep the content fresh, interesting and consistent for both these "sides". So by itself the development time has increased.

Don't think, consoome!

You try to defend it but you simply fail. I said it took the dev a whole month longer to do the exact same thing, according to dev herself, she did in 2 months before. The next Chapter will take 6 months minimum, most likely 7, to come out a whole year after Chapter 9. That's not "4-5" months. The last update, the Remaster, took 5 and a half months to complete and it's generally considered to be an unnecessary addition.

 

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[CoalPhelps]

The thing is, It took Eva 2 Months to finish the entire Chapter 5. She said just Ian's part to write of Chapter 10, so half of it presumably, was as long as that whole Chapter 5 and it took her 3 months to finish it. The 2 "exact" lengths but one took a month longer to finish. I don't understand why this is so hard to get for you?

Nobody is denying the game has become more complex so it might take longer to finish an update, then again GGGB didn't have this issue, the thing is that the dev is showing active slow down of the development process.

In length, but not in quality. I don't know exactly how many scenes are in Chapter 5, but clearly less than the 12 that will be in Chapter 10. Next, a new style of art, which again is more labor intensive, perhaps there will be new branches that have long been promised (Ivy, Jess). Plus the events take place right after the turning point with Seymour, so Lena's POV is likely to be more suspenseful, which also needs to be properly written.

Are you serious? Have you ever played GGGB? Its development didn't slow down, because the further the game went, the less complex it became. Towards the end there are repetitive scenes in which only the characters change.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

In length, but not in quality.

Don't know what this is supposed to mean? It became "more complex in quality"? The fuck is that?

I'm literally talking about the script and the length of it. Allegedly, half of Chapter 10 is as long as the entire Chapter 5 yet it took a month longer to finish it. Whatever your attempt at an excuse here is, it's not working. There is no excuse.

 

[a-pollo]

The thing is, It took Eva 2 Months to finish the entire Chapter 5. She said just Ian's part to write of Chapter 10, so half of it presumably, was as long as that whole Chapter 5 and it took her 3 months to finish it. The 2 "exact" lengths but one took a month longer to finish. I don't understand why this is so hard to get for you?

Nobody is denying the game has become more complex so it might take longer to finish an update, then again GGGB didn't have this issue, the thing is that the dev is showing active slow down of the development process.

"Yadayada, keep trolling", yeah, go with that "argument". That's the only valid one you will be able to make. It's just trolling

In length, but not in quality. I don't know exactly how many scenes are in Chapter 5, but clearly less than the 12 that will be in Chapter 10. Next, a new style of art, which again is more labor intensive, perhaps there will be new branches that have long been promised (Ivy, Jess). Plus the events take place right after the turning point with Seymour, so Lena's POV is likely to be more suspenseful, which also needs to be properly written.

Are you serious? Have you ever played GGGB? Its development didn't slow down, because the further the game went, the less complex it became. Towards the end there are repetitive scenes in which only the characters change.

That.

And she said the writing part of Ian's Chapter 10 is as long as the whole Chapter 5. We're talking about how many words, not how many branches she have to handle, how many arts are involved in that amount of script.

It's unfortunate how much time we have to wait between updates and Eva placed herself in a difficult spot, yes. Nobody argue that. But, as anything, we can (did we?) blame her lack of organization scaling up such a complex game. And if we're not happy about it we can stop supporting her on Patreon, nobody's putting a gun on our head forcing us to do that.

 

[CoalPhelps]

It's unfortunate how much time we have to wait between updates and Eva placed herself in a difficult spot, yes. Nobody argue that. But, as anything, we can (did we?) blame her lack of organization scaling up such a complex game. And if we're not happy about it we can stop supporting her on Patreon, nobody's putting a gun on our head forcing us to do that.

If this is a criticism, please call any bullshit you can find. And if anyone wants to stop supporting the game, let them do so. But what's the point of coming here every few weeks to write "oh shit, it's been so long since an update, put an abandoned tag?" It's not a complaint or a criticism, just crybabies whining.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Don't know what this is supposed to mean? It became "more complex in quality"? The fuck is that?

I'm literally talking about the script and the length of it. Allegedly, half of Chapter 10 is as long as the entire Chapter 5 yet it took a month longer to finish it. Whatever your attempt at an excuse here is, it's not working. There is no excuse.

Same length, but more complicated because of more "variables". What is difficult to understand here.

 

[_Zebra_]

Unless you are ready for people calling you different things, you are not allowed to say anything negative about the ORS on this thread. It's easy to say that we don't like whiners but we accept constructive criticism or complaints. But the truth is that as soon as you say something, someone will jump out with one of the following:

1. Are you a patreon? Did you paid for this game? If not, shut up you pirate scum!
2. If you don't like it, make your own game if you know so much.
3. Look at this troll how he/she whines about stuff.

It happened now with blyzer and it happened before. I remember there was a guy or gal a while ago that expressed his/her opinion about the remake. Same story, even though some of the points were legit. The remake was strongly defended with things like: "it will take less to develop the next updates, you'll see", "it was needed in order to push the game to steam and get additional revenue from it", "if the developer thinks is not good enough, then it can change it". Ok, the last one is completely true, but I don't know what to say about the other two. From what I've read, the only opinion that blyzer wanted to express was: "It takes longer to develop the game now, compered to previous chapters." That is not whining. It's an opinion, and let's be honest, it's true. The development slowed down starting from May last year.

• The art is better! Not by much. Isn't drawing something that you get better at the longer you practice and at the end of the day you end up finishing the art faster than before?
  
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• There are so many branches, it's hard to write the story down. Maybe it is, but shouldn't it be easier to write a new variations of the same scene compared to writing a new scene from scratch?
• 12 scenes, the biggest update to date. Well, chapter 9 had 13 scenes so... But yeah, if you had to do all the art in the past 3 months, then it's not fair to compare the development time of chapter 5 with the development time of the Ian part, from chapter 10. There were only 6 scenes in chapter 5. That was such a sweet spot in terms of development/number of scenes.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Same length, but more complicated because of more "variables". What is difficult to understand here.

But it's the same length still... which still means it took her longer than usual... How are you still not getting it?

 

[jojogeo]

Same length, but more complicated because of more "variables". What is difficult to understand here.

I still don't understand why she didn't remove some characters in her remaster.
She could mix Emma and Allison, mix Jeremy and Mike.
She could remove Perry, Cherry and Robert without changing the story. Even Stan is not that important.

 

[mommysboiii]

I still don't understand why she didn't remove some characters in her remaster.
She could mix Emma and Allison, mix Jeremy and Mike.
She could remove Perry, Cherry and Robert without changing the story. Even Stan is not that important.

she could remove ians dick too think about that

 

[Gato21]

she could remove ians dick too think about that

She could be even more reductive and just have Holly and Lena scissoring.

 

[jojogeo]

she could remove ians dick too think about that

Without changing the story ?
Have you heard of the saying "If it's too complicated, uncomplicate it" ?

 

[Gato21]

Without changing the story ?
Have you heard of the saying "If it's too complicated, uncomplicate it" ?

He is making a funny. Don't overthink it, laugh.

 

[Deleted member 5130917]

Okay people, flamewars aside, do you think Eva should start spliting chapters by half and releasing Ian/Lena's portions separately and thus potentially slashing waiting times in half?

Those chapters are always nicely split between those two, it's not like the perspective shifts constantly. It's always Ian and then Lena.

 

[a-pollo]

Okay people, flamewars aside, do you think Eva should start spliting chapters by half and releasing Ian/Lena's portions separately and thus potentially slashing waiting times in half?

Those chapters are always nicely split between those two, it's not like the perspective shifts constantly. It's always Ian and then Lena.

That was something I suggested last year when dev times where still around two-three months. But someone noted that each side of the chapter is so intertwined that it could cost even more time reworking/correcting the first half already released when the second half need small changes in order to work flawlessy. Releasing half chapter (maybe with alpha, beta and final) would split polishing work in two but could lead to even more time wasted. Unfortunately that makes sense.

What I hope is that Eva can find someone helping her in some drawing areas without loosing the quality she's aiming for. She already mentioned that before but I figure it isn't easy delegate on a project like that.

 

[CoalPhelps]

I still don't understand why she didn't remove some characters in her remaster.
She could mix Emma and Allison, mix Jeremy and Mike.
She could remove Perry, Cherry and Robert without changing the story. Even Stan is not that important.

I agree about Mike, Allison, Cherry and Robert, but Emma, Perry and Jeremy are an integral part of Ian's history and inner circle and the first two are still probably part of the confrontation with Seymour, especially in the future.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Okay people, flamewars aside, do you think Eva should start spliting chapters by half and releasing Ian/Lena's portions separately and thus potentially slashing waiting times in half?

Those chapters are always nicely split between those two, it's not like the perspective shifts constantly. It's always Ian and then Lena.

No, it will kill the whole atmosphere of the game with two main characters. It's better to wait a long time and get a complete new part than cut pieces.

 

[Gato21]

No, it will kill the whole atmosphere of the game with two main characters. It's better to wait a long time and get a complete new part than cut pieces.

Exactly, it's called Our Red String for a reason.