VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

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I strongly disagree. Lena's supposedly read enough philosophy that she's familiar with Nietszche's three metamorphoses even before Seymore can tell her of the Child. So she, even more than most, should recognize what a ginormous red flag it is when Seymore opines that he prefers to think of "the Child" as "The Master." It not only completely invalidates the whole point of the original metaphor (rather than being reborn into a whole new world, he explicitly chains the supposed metamorph to the old world's hierarchy) but it makes it abundantly clear that he considers himself utterly beyond any sense of morality or rules.

Even beyond that the narration of that whole dinner is littered with Lena being unnerved by Seyemore's various turns of phrase or general predator vibe, to say nothing of his establishing character moment harassing the local homeless man. Or the tense music. The scene was clearly meant to drive home that Seymore is going to be the villain of the game, not paper over his faults in a way that might plausibly leave Lena unaware how Faustian Seymore's offer is. I agree Lena's supposed to be desperate enough to consider his offer even so, but that's just to fuel the corruption/exploitation kinks Seymore is supposed to embody.

If she'd actually had a decent working relationship with Seymore before the interview/dinner I might be willing to accept Lena turning a blind eye to some of those red flags. But she didn't, she'd barely spent 10 minutes with him. So I don't buy the argument she'd be surprised Seymore would be willing to blackmail her. If you want to play Lena as desperate enough to take the chance anyway (or just plain stupid enough not to see the obvious) that's fine, but I reject the idea that this was some masterclass in subtly, allowing the victim to hide in plain sight. It was - by design - the opposite.
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Outside player's control, very early on Lena already expresses hesitation towards Seymour's initial advance.
My first ORS blind playthrough as a player is to reject Seymour's dinner audition in the first place.
That's me "playing as myself" as a "controller".

Lena as a character though, her intelligence is determined by how we play her. She could be smart enough or not smart enough to be familiar with The Child.
She could also be a person who sends money to her parents or not.
She could be a person that likes Shine more or like Fortress more.

In a world where Lena is a dutiful daughter sending money to her parents and running out of options, Seymour is cordial if Lena's attitude towards him is neutral. He doesn't outwardly blackmail Lena.

I didn't mean Seymour is hiding in plain sight or even that Seymour is subtle. It's not that.

I was talking about how that story path allows the player to see a struggling person with relatively little option decidedly/willingly make a deal with someone that she already feels isn't a virtuous person.

A neutral-attitude-towards-Seymour Lena isn't duped or enchanted by Seymour.
She has little option early chapters and Seymour's offer is a job offer.
The variant of Lena that is dutifully sending money to her parents are responsible for the wellbeing of not only her own life but also that of her parents.

That Lena has less optionality to pick and choose what jobs to do early on.
That particular story path then offers Lena an exit at the end of Ch 11.
Ch 11 is also a point where that Lena has more option than early chapter Lena.
That Lena now has more optionality to draw the line in the sand and reject Seymour.
For my playthrough, there's the music thing with Emma, and Perry being Ian's friend.

In life it's hard for some people to say "no" due to their circumstances.
And the nuance of how Eva write that possible situation to the point that it's believable for her to accept Seymour's initial job offer is why I said it's good writing.
 
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Outside player's control, very early on Lena already expresses hesitation towards Seymour's initial advance.
My first ORS blind playthrough as a player is to reject Seymour's dinner invitation in the first place.
That's me "playing as myself" as a "controller".

Lena as a character though, her intelligence is determined by how we play her. She could be smart enough or not smart enough to be familiar with The Child.
She could also be a person who sends money to her parents or not.
She could be a person that likes Shine more or like Fortress more.

In a world where Lena is a dutiful daughter sending money to her parents and running out of options, Seymour is cordial if Lena's attitude towards him is neutral. He doesn't outwardly blackmail Lena.

I didn't mean Seymour is hiding in plain sight or even that Seymour is subtle. It's not that.

I was talking about how that story path allows the player to see a struggling person with relatively little option decidedly/willingly make a deal with someone that she already feels isn't a virtuous person. Seymour was cordial.

A neutral-attitude-towards-Seymour Lena isn't duped or enchanted by Seymour.
She has little option early chapters and Seymour's offer is a job offer.
The variant of Lena that is dutifully sending money to her parents are responsible for the wellbeing of not only her own life but also that of her parents.

That Lena has less optionality to pick and choose what jobs to do early on.
That particular story path then offers Lena an exit at the end of Ch 11.
Ch 11 is also a point where that Lena has more option than early chapter Lena.
That Lena now has more optionality to draw the line in the sand and reject Seymour.
For my playthrough, there's the music thing with Emma, and Perry being Ian's friend.

In life it's hard for some people to say "no" due to their circumstances.
And the nuance of how Eva write that possible situation to the point that it's believable for her to accept Seymour's initial job offer is why I said it's good writing.
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Yeah Lena got it more rough than Ian.

Lena is deal with one roommate is barely paying the bills; disrespecting the other roommate who is really paying mostly while all she do is be annoying. Then the choices on having her with Mr.BBC or not she's annoying either way.

If she's dating BBC she's distant with Lena and if break them up or they break up in general she will throw herself at you be mad that you reject or if you do admit her she's so clingy.

Then Stan another roommate who honestly shy guy who wants to freak Lena depending on your choices.

Then she's dealing with working two jobs, modelling on the side.

Dealing with your parents who make things difficult for you as it is.

Then dealing with getting over your ex who won't leave you alone.

Then Ian his main problems with getting over ex, his boss and the money situation.

At least Perry is close friend he gets along with and it helps that his dad is a powerful man in the city.

I feel the most problems Ian can have is love/sex life depending how we play him.
 
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Yeah Lena got it more rough than Ian.

Lena is deal with one roommate is barely paying the bills; disrespecting the other roommate who is really paying mostly while all she do is be annoying. Then the choices on having her with Mr.BBC or not she's annoying either way.

If she's dating BBC she's distant with Lena and if break them up or they break up in general she will throw herself at you be mad that you reject or if you do admit her she's so clingy.

Then Stan another roommate who honestly shy guy who wants to freak Lena depending on your choices.

Then she's dealing with working two jobs, modelling on the side.

Dealing with your parents who make things difficult for you as it is.

Then dealing with getting over your ex who won't leave you alone.

Then Ian his main problems with getting over ex, his boss and the money situation.

At least Perry is close friend he gets along with and it helps that his dad is a powerful man in the city.

I feel the most problems Ian can have is love/sex life depending how we play him.
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I also felt that Ian got it better while comparing my experiences with them both. The main contributing factor to this is how Lena has to give money periodically to her parents, and sometimes she has to sell her body more to stay afloat. While Ian doesn't get to do that and in fact it's the opposite. He has the option to ask for money from his father. I never felt a financial pressure from Ian as I did with Lena. I always felt Lena's situation is more difficult. I hope that dynamic changes as Ian's ex has appeared. I'm also hoping that Emma would be able to help Lena with some of her problems while Ian's problems get worsen in new chapters.
 
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redskin777 said:
What a sad chapter for me, no content with Emma and barely anything with Ivy
Is there a chance that another scene will be added in the final version or is that all?
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Maybe in the epilogue of this chapter,who knows when is going to be released through.
 
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redskin777 said:
What a sad chapter for me, no content with Emma and barely anything with Ivy
Is there a chance that another scene will be added in the final version or is that all?
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Only those scenes will be added which are WIP in gallery. Doubt other than that will be added. Generally in epilogue there are scenes added sometimes. Depends how EK is going to progress the story and what she has in mind on how to end chapter.
 
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Alphaeboy said:
After thinking about some it. Ian x Cindy is somewhat shit storm of a route for these reason alone.

1. You're screwing over your old friend who trusts you.

2.You're going the mostly lose Emma, Perry, Lena, Holly as friends because they would disgusted and disappointed of Ian.
Alison I think she's going to be mixed on it but will mad in a sense that Choose a taken girl over her when she's completely single. I say mixed because she was in unhappy relationship with someone understand moving on someone else but won't agree with the cheating.

3. He's no body than Axel and Gillian. Ian freaked on his friend's girl and lied about it constantly; honestly Ian is doing the same thing that Gillian boyfriend did and Cindy is Gillian and Wade is Ian in the situation.

Ian is going to make Wade felt the same way he did when Gillian cheated and left him.

I have feeling one of the friends is going to call him out on it and say the same thing. I bet you it's going to be Perry, Wade or Emma who says it. I will be shocked Gillian found outs about it and somewhat Judge Ian for being hypocrite.

I just know storyline won't end if he's also fooling around with other girl; it's scarier if you're freaking Alison, Cindy, and Emma they'll be angry with him even more.
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If Ian is unable to give what he is providing Cindy. I don't think Cindy is going to stop herself from getting same thing from somewhere else. I know Ian connects to her on deeper level than others(Wade included). This same thing is a double edged sword and going to cut whether it's on one side or other. Like imagine if Cindy is feeling emotionally overwhelmed and Ian is on trip and Cindy is in Wildcats shoot (some type of scenario), how longer can Cindy keep herself in check with Axel around.

If stars align than Wade is again in a fucked up position and this time Ian is directly responsible of that "exploitation" bcz it was all alone started by Ian himself. Axel is always in a better position than Ian in term of "RED STRING" without consequences:cautious:
 
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It's pretty clear that so far the big "villains" in this game are Seymour and Axel (at a certain point), but man...
If you choose as Lena "I don't wanna speak with him" or not going to Cindy's photo shoot as Ian, Axel is a non-existent character in the plot, the next episode will probably be 80% in Perry's beach house so we can expect zero content with Axel, he's like a Far Cry villain, a 20h+ game and he only appears for like 10min max LOL
 
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