VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Marcel is much more tolerable imo, I don't really care about Ian's bro perspective myself. As a friend to him I guess I don't mind him too much, but playing as Lena and from her perspective, he only has his looks as a positive to me.

He acts feeble when it comes to Louise, has less than stellar sexual performances in many of his scenes (being a pump and dump kinda guy, not willing to foreplay etc.) and he spends half the game simping for Ivy who doesn't really seem to give much of a damn about him given the amount of convincing she needs just to sleep with him. Odd behaviour between two people who both claim to view sex as something pleasurable and uncomplicated.

We don't have a lot of Marcel yet but he at least has the benefit of not being Jeremy lol. He's packing a better tool, as one might say, and you don't need to be a terrible friend to Louise (at least when it comes to Jeremy) to get his content so far.

I mean... That's his role. He's a dudebro who brings drama. He acts like every other college douchebag. He goes for Alison so YOU as Ian feels that need to keep Alison to yourself. He mistreats Louise so YOU as either Ian or Lena get a romance path with her. He simps desperately for Ivy so YOU as Ian gets to have her before him. At the end when Ivy becomes super friendly with Ian, Jeremy acts disappointed or confused.

Jeremy has purpose within the story, he's a BBC fetish "steal yo girl" insert for cucks. He's a bro for whoever likes that path. He's the dude who's bigger and tries harder than you yet gets lesser results despite all that. He's a guy you get to "compete" with, similar to Axel. He either feeds your ego or fuels your insecurity depending on which path you choose.

Marcel is... A penis. That's his lore, his story and as much depth (no pun intended) as he'll likely get.

Also, Marcel has one scene and it's a shirt recolor from the original Jeremy scene so I'm not sure what you mean by having a "better tool"

 

[Hungover00]

Do we know what EK plans to add/change for 13.3.3?

 

[BlandChili]

I mean... That's his role. He's a dudebro who brings drama. He acts like every other college douchebag. He goes for Alison so YOU as Ian feels that need to keep Alison to yourself. He mistreats Louise so YOU as either Ian or Lena get a romance path with her. He simps desperately for Ivy so YOU as Ian gets to have her before him. At the end when Ivy becomes super friendly with Ian, Jeremy acts disappointed or confused.

Jeremy has purpose within the story, he's a BBC fetish "steal yo girl" insert for cucks. He's a bro for whoever likes that path. He's the dude who's bigger and tries harder than you yet gets lesser results despite all that. He's a guy you get to "compete" with, similar to Axel. He either feeds your ego or fuels your insecurity depending on which path you choose.

Sure, I have no issue with what his role is in the story I just don't think it's very flattering personally. I have never had much interest in him because I perceive him as somewhat weak-willed. If he actually lived up to his own idea of being a player maybe I'd find him more interesting.

Marcel is... A penis. That's his lore. His story and as much story as he'll likely get.

Also, Marcel has one scene and it's a shirt recolor from the original Jeremy scene so I'm not sure what you mean by having a "better tool"

His tool is bigger, you can compare the images youself if you like. How is what I mean confusing?

As for the rest, you are correct. All the more funny it should be that I find Jeremy uninteresting by comparison, at least Marcel does very little to dissuade me from clicking his content when it's available.

 

[fatpussy123]

Do we know what EK plans to add/change for 13.3.3?

Minor bug changes. And maybe an extra scene. EK did say she planned on adding an extra scene, but it might have already been added to the alpha.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Sure, I have no issue with what his role is in the story I just don't think it's very flattering personally. I have never had much interest in him because I perceive him as somewhat weak-willed. If he actually lived up to his own idea of being a player maybe I'd find him more interesting.

It ain't supposed to be flattering. He's an archetype. Same for Robert, Mike, Billy (RIP Black Billy), Seymour, etc. Ian is the MC after all.

Also, players are mostly good looking dudes who get lots of pussy and don't commit. That's about it. They have good looks, loads of confidence, low inhibitions and a striking lack of self-awareness so they chase whatever has a vagina. That's Jeremy in a nutshell.

His tool is bigger, you can compare the images youself if you like. How is what I mean confusing?

As for the rest, you are correct. All the more funny it should be that I find Jeremy uninteresting by comparison, at least Marcel does very little to dissuade me from clicking his content when it's available.

Ayt, I've done enough dick watching for today so I'll take your word for it.

 

[BlandChili]

It ain't supposed to be flattering. He's an archetype. Same for Robert, Mike, Billy (RIP Black Billy), Seymour, etc. Ian is the MC after all.

Exactly, and I do not find him very flattering so I don't really engage with his content outside of the Alison threesome. Lena is the MC too after all.

Also, players are mostly good looking dudes who get lots of pussy and don't commit.

Again, I have no issue with this. The problem I have with Jeremy is that he doesn't own up to it like a player would. That is why I call him feeble.

That's about it. They have good looks, loads of confidence, low inhibitions and a striking lack of self-awareness so they chase whatever has a vagina. That's Jeremy in a nutshell.

It's not really, not exactly at least. Good looks sure, a wad of confidence perhaps, at least enough to pretend to attempt game. Jeremy is a bit inconsistent though since he for example has to be convinced to get with Emma and he plays a little boy's game with Louise. The latter point though goes into guesswork about the background of the story which isn't necessarily very constructive, but I don't think it's impossible to think Louise might not have gotten with him at all if he had dispelled her notions about a relationship, like a player with a conscience, such as Jeremy professes himself to be, could have done. Regardless I don't really view Jeremy as a real "free for all" player, he is somewhat particular about where he spends his efforts, he chases low-hanging fruit other than Ivy and Lena has to throw herself at him for content, it's not really him being a player so much as it's Lena being one.

So I don't find him very convincing as a player type.

Ayt, I've done enough dick watching for today so I'll take your word for it.

It's a wholesome hobby though, just like bird watching!

 

[punisher33]

So I don't find him very convincing as a player type.

Who's ur favorite as male and female ?

 

[Eleanorduval]

Exactly, and I do not find him very flattering so I don't really engage with his content outside of the Alison threesome. Lena is the MC too after all.

Again, I have no issue with this. The problem I have with Jeremy is that he doesn't own up to it like a player would. That is why I call him feeble.

It's not really, not exactly at least. Good looks sure, a wad of confidence perhaps, at least enough to pretend to attempt game. Jeremy is a bit inconsistent though since he for example has to be convinced to get with Emma and he plays a little boy's game with Louise. The latter point though goes into guesswork about the background of the story which isn't necessarily very constructive, but I don't think it's impossible to think Louise might not have gotten with him at all if he had dispelled her notions about a relationship, like a player with a conscience, such as Jeremy professes himself to be, could have done. Regardless I don't really view Jeremy as a real "free for all" player, he is somewhat particular about where he spends his efforts, he chases low-hanging fruit other than Ivy and Lena has to throw herself at him for content, it's not really him being a player so much as it's Lena being one.

So I don't find him very convincing as a player type.

It's a wholesome hobby though, just like bird watching!

If the girl have same personality as ivy,she will focus only on the look.Holly have crush on Ian because he is supportive and hard work.In my save and begin same go for Lena,it explain why both luv Ian

 

[BlandChili]

Who's ur favorite as male and female ?

You mean which male and female characters are my favourite?

I guess it depends a bit on how you want me to judge it. In terms of story interactions and dynamic narrative engagement it's pretty hard to beath Holly. She can be the lover of either main character or both of them, be single as her normal self or a slut. There's lots of content in her route and lots of replayability.
For that same reason I quite like Mark exactly because he's not very complicated but he's also not very problematic. He can be involved with Lena, Holly or even both. He's held back by being a secondary character so outside of his sexual content there's not really a lot to him.

In terms of just the porn itself I think it's hard to compete with Cindy and Ian's pairing. I am still hoping for Lena/Cindy content, but until then I can appreciate the content she has with Ian and I also quite like the drama of her route, both with and without Ian.
Louise would also be a top contender on sex alone, I love lesbian dom/sub themes and Louise makes a cute sub.

 

[punisher33]

She can be the lover of either main character or both of them, be single as her normal self or a slut. There's lots of content in her route and lots of replayability.

Yes, Holy truly has an intriguing character path—either a loyal, innocent girlfriend or a full-blown wild sex explorer. In that sense, she shares similarities with Ashley from GGGB.

For that same reason I quite like Mark

Mark is a sophisticated choice, but to be honest, he never really caught my interest in either game.

I am still hoping for Lena/Cindy content,

As for the Lena/Cindy scene, adding Axel or Ian into the equation could make it happen. Either way, that would be a dream trio!

 

[BlandChili]

Mark is a sophisticated choice, but to be honest, he never really caught my interest in either game.

Right, he mainly benefits a bit in the same way that Marcel does from being outside of all the main story bullshit lol. Because they are barely involved with other characters, there isn't really a dramatic stake to them but for that same reason they aren't really assholes or losers in the same way many of the other male characters can be either. They win sort of by default because they are fairly inoffensive besides just being bland sexual options.

As for the Lena/Cindy scene, adding Axel or Ian into the equation could make it happen. Either way, that would be a dream trio!

Ian or Axel would ruin it for me personally. Not that I'd be opposed to a male character being involved, I just happen to find both of the most realistic options unappealing for one reason or another.
I wouldn't discount any lesbian pairing though, at least not for singular scenes at least, any routes developing at this point becomes increasingly unlikely as the chapter number increases..

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yes, Holy truly has an intriguing character path—either a loyal, innocent girlfriend or a full-blown wild sex explorer. In that sense, she shares similarities with Ashley from GGGB.



Mark is a sophisticated choice, but to be honest, he never really caught my interest in either game.


As for the Lena/Cindy scene, adding Axel or Ian into the equation could make it happen. Either way, that would be a dream trio!

Cindy is Ian mistress,so 3some can’t happen.Cindy and Lena are in concurrence for wildcat,so no 3some also. I don’t think Eva wants to add 3some everywhere

 

[manscout]

So maybe my fault on the wording since Ian can technically "date" Lena without actually fucking her for almost the entire game, but I just tested it in a run and you cannot get the holly + lena trio without having Ian date Lena up until the point he starts dating Holly.

This is really disappointing, I wanted to do a playthrough where I reached the trio by having both Ian and Lena being mostly just friends up until the point where the both of them pursued Holly and that led into the trio (avoids drama over Ian having slept with Cherry, lets Lena also play the field more with no drama).

But as it turns out, if Lena doesn't date Ian during chapters 4-6 (didn't toggle on "ian_lena_dating" switch in chapter 3 by having Lena ask Ian for a 3rd date), then when Ian starts dating Holly the game never toggles on the "ian_lena_over" switch which causes Holly to just...not really care about the fact she kissed Lena in chapter 11?

Spoiler: the code in chapter 11c

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This seems like such a pointless restriction, even when you keep Ian and Lena mostly as just friends there's still a good deal of sexual tension and attraction between them, so why does this route kill the possibility of the trio before Ian can even decide how he feels about adding Lena to his relationship with Holly in chapter 12? If anything this is even worse because it means Holly kissed Lena and then decided to keep it a secret from Ian...

It seems that the game treats "ian_lena_dating" never being turned on as meaning the player never wants Ian and Lena to ever be a couple. I dislike the idea of never having a potential late entry point to the IanxLena relationship but I can respect that design decision. But the trio with Holly should be an entire different dynamic, it makes no sense to have it depend on Ian and Lena having dated a couple of times more.

God I just hate how the nonsense relationship drama is completely baked into the route to the Lena-Ian-Holly throuple. As mentioned in the above post, for no good reason it does not work if you try to get it by having Ian date Holly and stay as Lena's friend from the start.

Even if I try to keep the relationship between Ian and Lena as technically dating but as low-stakes as possible (they never had sex, neither is in love with the other), after Ian "breaks up" with her so he can be with Holly she will still be somewhat whiny in her monologues. This is still probably the route with the least amount of drama (considering how much of a minefield the LenaxIan relationship is in regards to what counts as cheating and what upsets one another), but it is still a bummer that you can't just sidestep all that BS.

Also the main downside of a pure IanxHolly playthrough is still that, without the throuple, Lena's side is just so screwed up. It is all sociopaths, cheaters, or clingy and emotionally draining people if you take Ian and Holly out of Lena's dating pool. She can still get some good sex scenes with some random tertiary characters, but on the relationship field it was so bad that while finishing my previous run I was almost sold on Stan being the best remaining option. It was THAT bad.

 

[BlandChili]

Also the main downside of a pure IanxHolly playthrough is still that, without the throuple, Lena's side is just so screwed up. It is all sociopaths, cheaters, or clingy and emotionally draining people if you take Ian and Holly out of Lena's dating pool. She can still get some good sex scenes with some random tertiary characters, but on the relationship field it was so bad that while finishing my previous run I was almost sold on Stan being the best remaining option. It was THAT bad.

What're the chances Billy is ready to swoop in and be a wholesome romance?

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Again, I have no issue with this. The problem I have with Jeremy is that he doesn't own up to it like a player would. That is why I call him feeble.

He's more or less a regular douchebag. He wiggles within the confines of a relationship with a girl with attachment issues, that gets him an easy lay and cheats around. He goes for anything that moves, etc. That's really hella standard and not exactly inconsistent with what you see in the real world.

It's not really, not exactly at least. Good looks sure, a wad of confidence perhaps, at least enough to pretend to attempt game. Jeremy is a bit inconsistent though since he for example has to be convinced to get with Emma and he plays a little boy's game with Louise. The latter point though goes into guesswork about the background of the story which isn't necessarily very constructive, but I don't think it's impossible to think Louise might not have gotten with him at all if he had dispelled her notions about a relationship, like a player with a conscience, such as Jeremy professes himself to be, could have done. Regardless I don't really view Jeremy as a real "free for all" player, he is somewhat particular about where he spends his efforts, he chases low-hanging fruit other than Ivy and Lena has to throw herself at him for content, it's not really him being a player so much as it's Lena being one.

So I don't find him very convincing as a player type.

Imma be honest with you, I think we may have different definitions of "player". Players ain't attractive guys who have women throwing themselves at them. Those guys aren't "players", they're just hot guys who realistically do very little to get action. Players are dudes who don't commit and thus flirt with every woman in their path. There is only one game for them and it's the numbers game.

Most guys I know IRL who I consider players are good-looking dudebros who have virtually no inhibition and no shame, they never have enough self-awareness to know they're acting like dumbasses. They hardly if ever care if they get rejected because it's a numbers game. They have hundreds of lays but thousands of DMs where they got left on read and because of the nature of their chase, most of their "conquests" are low-hanging fruits with the occasional baddie. If they get a mid girl who has attachment issues, that's cool. If they get a fattie, that's cool. If they get the naive girl who wants a relationship, that's cool. If their bro gets them a lay, that's cool.

Imo Jeremy perfectly embodies that. Axel as a character would be closer to your version of player.

It's a wholesome hobby though, just like bird watching!

Sure is

 

[What'sNew]

Anyone else getting the Minerva bug?

 

[punisher33]

Ian or Axel would ruin it for me personally. Not that I'd be opposed to a male character being involved, I just happen to find both of the most realistic options unappealing for one reason or another.
I wouldn't discount any lesbian pairing though, at least not for singular scenes at least, any routes developing at this point becomes increasingly unlikely as the chapter number increases..

I can create a Lena/Cindy scene for you with AI

Right, he mainly benefits a bit in the same way that Marcel does from being outside of all the main story bullshit lol. Because they are barely involved with other characters, there isn't really a dramatic stake to them but for that same reason they aren't really assholes or losers in the same way many of the other male characters can be either. They win sort of by default because they are fairly inoffensive besides just being bland sexual options.

Hmm, that's a valid perspective, yes.

Cindy is Ian mistress,so 3some can’t happen.Cindy and Lena are in concurrence for wildcat,so no 3some also. I don’t think Eva wants to add 3some everywhere

I see the Wildcats option as more likely compared to Ian.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

ohh btw guys, i was hoping to get an answer for this

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[punisher33]

ohh btw guys, i was hoping to get an answer for this

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Use the 0X52 URM. You can choose every path available

 

[Hungover00]

Anyone else getting the Minerva bug?

13.3.1 or 13.3.2?