VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[varpep]

I never said Ian's gonna go unscathed. You are completely wrong about Axel winning the fight though. He's a 185cm dude while Ian is 175cm. Height doesn't mean shit when the guy is on the floor. You can argue that Axel is taller and has more range and reach, a kickboxer can overcome this with angles, leg kicks, and clinch work.

Technique trumps strength. In both BJJ and striking arts like kickboxing- leverage, timing, and precision matter far more than brute strength.

Fights are unpredictable. Environment, adrenaline, and mental toughness play huge roles. A smaller, more experienced fighter often keeps calm and controls the pace. We have seen Axel getting emotional pretty easily when he's about to start a fight.

Someone like Mike Tyson who was undersized in the heavyweight division (178cm/ 5'10") made 6 footers and above cry cause the way he fought carried such an aura of ferocity and brutality so many fighters where sacred to enter the ring with him. Another Example is Qawi who stood even shorter at 170cm(5'7") fought regularly against taller opponents and despite their huge advantage in reach they couldn't seem to touch him because of his unbeatable jab. This was because he timed it to perfection so as they were coming down to meet him, they would be getting a face full o' fist. He at one point was even heavyweight champion. That is why fighters are separated by weight division. At a certain weight height doesn't still play as much of a factor. But even so Ian shouldn't be too behind on weight class with Axel. It might be difficult for him to put Axel down but that's about it. Ian will woop Axel all day every day. And that's without even talking about Ian's wrestling capabilities.

 

[NewSeal]

God the worst part of the alison route is the constant nagging about the same fucking issue. It's funny that you can earn chad points for telling her to shut up.
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The fact that there are "chad" points for Ian or "slutty" and "posh" points for Lena makes me wonder if it'd be better if they were visible in-game, and shown in choices, like good/bad points in GGGB. Would that be too many points to keep track of, along the regular stats, maybe?

 

[Ray_D]

Lmao, I love how we get a scientific breakdown with a UFC citation on why Ian can Axel's ass.
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At least you have to admit it's a more entertaining topic to discuss.

 

[fatpussy123]

At least you have to admit it's a more entertaining topic to discuss.

It is. But I'm no expert, so I'm just sitting back watching. Like I'm watching Stephen A Smith on ESPN or something.

 

[IDoAThing]

If Iris doesn't make it to that party there's no justice in the world.

Waiting for the next book "A Wink of Sin" where we get more of Iris

 

[Makima's husband]

I never said Ian's gonna go unscathed. You are completely wrong about Axel winning the fight though. He's a 185cm dude while Ian is 175cm. Height doesn't mean shit when the guy is on the floor. You can argue that Axel is taller and has more range and reach, a kickboxer can overcome this with angles, leg kicks, and clinch work.

Technique trumps strength. In both BJJ and striking arts like kickboxing- leverage, timing, and precision matter far more than brute strength.

Fights are unpredictable. Environment, adrenaline, and mental toughness play huge roles. A smaller, more experienced fighter often keeps calm and controls the pace. We have seen Axel getting emotional pretty easily when he's about to start a fight.

Before adding training, or Joe Pesci character crazy, that is pretty much true. Size wins most amateur fights.

But as soon as technique gets added to the equation, things can change drastically.

I don't think we've ever heard of Axel doing any martial arts. He comes across as a bully that's never really been challenged, that works out to look good, and has ridden off his genetics most of his life. So I think a trained Ian is going to surprise the fuck out of him.

Look, I ain’t sayin’ technique don’t matterit do but c’mon now. If you got two dudes who both know they stuff, and one’s sittin’ at 100kg while the other’s 80kg? Bruh, strength gon’ win that battle 9 times outta 10. All else bein’ equal, that weight advantage is straight cheat code. That’s why them BJJ absolutes be wild big dawgs just smother folks. Same goes for the stand-up game. Ain’t no shame in it, that’s just science. Physics don’t lie, y’all.

 

[SearingFive]

Look, I ain’t sayin’ technique don’t matterit do but c’mon now. If you got two dudes who both know they stuff, and one’s sittin’ at 100kg while the other’s 80kg? Bruh, strength gon’ win that battle 9 times outta 10. All else bein’ equal, that weight advantage is straight cheat code. That’s why them BJJ absolutes be wild big dawgs just smother folks. Same goes for the stand-up game. Ain’t no shame in it, that’s just science. Physics don’t lie, y’all.

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[fatpussy123]

If you got two dudes who both know they stuff

Is there any evidence that Axel knows his stuff? He seems like he just works out for aesthetics and uses his large size to bully weaker Ians. Jeremy is a bit different as he also trains, but it seems like even he relies more on kickboxing, whereas Ian can choose to learn grappling and get focused training from Sensei Wen like he's Daniel Larusso.

You said 9 times out of 10 the bigger guy wins if everything else is equal. But things aren't all equal and even if they were, for dramatic moments in the story, unlikely things only need to happen once. For example Ian so far can only lose to Jeremy in sparring, but if they have real beef and have a street fight Eva can write it in that the 1 in 10 chance happens. Story climaxes where the MC wins tend to be against overwhelming odds otherwise it wouldn't feel satisfying. What were the odds of Luke shooting his torpedo into the small exhaust port? Probably lower than Ian beating Jeremy or Axel in a fight.

 

[pantypriv]

I'm not getting into the weeds of this discussion/topic, but this point screams out to me:

Is there any evidence that Axel knows his stuff?

Well, is there?
Axel seems jacked and tough, but do we actually know that he's a trained martial artist?

 

[ffive]

Is there any evidence that Axel knows his stuff? He seems like he just works out for aesthetics and uses his large size to bully weaker Ians.

Axel defeats his opponents psychologically, by whipping out his cock in front of them.

That Marcel was immune to such attack would tell us something, but we knew that already.

 

[Saerwen]

Nah mate, didn't you know. if you're bigger than the other dude. you auto win in fights. It doesn't matter if you have no idea what you're doing and the other guy is trained.

Big > Small

10/10 logic, can't be argued with lmao

Bruce Lee would disagree.

 

[Taven Val]

Bruce Lee would disagree.

any MMA fighter of similar size would be a better example but I get your point

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

any MMA fighter of similar size would be a better example but I get your point

Mighty Mouse!

 

[FactualAligator]

Someone like Mike Tyson who was undersized in the heavyweight division (178cm/ 5'10") made 6 footers and above cry cause the way he fought carried such an aura of ferocity and brutality so many fighters where sacred to enter the ring with him.

Can't wait for Ian to bite a chunk of Axel's ear off

 

[Erectosaurus]

I mean this is the same Ian who can get potentially get outgrappled by a stripper with no prior experience. I wouldn't hype him up too much. He's as competent in martial arts as Eva wants him to be depending on what she wants to write.

 

[LoveWhores]

So here's a fight:

(sorry about the quality, it's what I could find on short notice)

I started it at the final round. The fight ends a little after the 25 minute mark. Henderson is 5'9", the same as Ian's given height. Thatch is 6'2", which is actually a little taller than Axel.

I'm just saying someone Ian's size winning against an Axel wouldn't be unprecedented.

When it comes to wrestle it all depends of how talented and how trained a superstar is so yes,someone whose not so tall can win against a taller superstar but only if he is really talented and trained for years as his oponent - here's a example: Both Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns debuted together before they split and start a solo cariers,both trained for years and right now they are once agin in a rivalry but Seth Rollins is the one who wins almost all the times vs Roman especially when it comes to fight for a title and Seth is not so taller as Roman but he is more talented while Roman may be taller and more buffed but he is not so talented as Seth,not so fast and Seth can easilly play mind games on him too which is another way to secure your win! Now here Axel seems buffed and probably hit the gym for years while dating Lena before they broke up while Ian only started hitting the gym for few months,after meeting Lena and Jeremy conviced him to train together,or he may not train at all (if you actually decide to make Ian not so strong) or train only for keeping his body in good health but not trying to train professional - so in this way no matter if Ian is less taller then Axel he will not be able to win against him as Seth do against Roman because Ian is not so talented and only start training recently while seeing how buffed Axel already is it means only one thing - he trained for years,hell even Jeremy didn't want to fight him back at the bar where he,Ian,Ivy and Jess meet Axel...

PS: The only way for Ian to win against Axel is by trying playing mind games on him but is not sure if Axel is easy to play mind games on him.

 

[Ray_D]

I mean this is the same Ian who can get potentially get outgrappled by a stripper with no prior experience. I wouldn't hype him up too much. He's as competent in martial arts as Eva wants him to be depending on what she wants to write.

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We are at the mercy of eva's mental retardation.

 

[Saerwen]

PS: The only way for Ian to win against Axel is by trying playing mind games on him but is not sure if Axel is easy to play mind games on him.

Did you see that scene when Axel was provoking Ian which backfired when Ian bitched slapped him with words unfazed and Axel immediately wanted to fight? Yeah, Axel is very easy to play mind games with him.

 

[ffive]

I mean this is the same Ian who can get potentially get outgrappled by a stripper with no prior experience. I wouldn't hype him up too much. He's as competent in martial arts as Eva wants him to be depending on what she wants to write.

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I'd say that's probably underselling Ivy's skills a bit -- pole dancing is very heavy on the leg work, with how they're used to keep your body up in all sorts of maneuvers. Ivy might have more experience in that regard than Ian who's only just started, even if she's never taken explicit fighting lessons, specifically.

If Ian loses that fight, it's also largely because he's not applying full strength against a woman, something the player picks for him.

 

[Hungover00]

I mean this is the same Ian who can get potentially get outgrappled by a stripper with no prior experience. I wouldn't hype him up too much. He's as competent in martial arts as Eva wants him to be depending on what she wants to write.

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That was a psychological loss, he didn't realise how far she would go and gave her an advantage. He has the skills to win that spar.