VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[SearingFive]

Despite all the training he can do from the start of the game, Ian still struggles to spar against Jeremy and people think he could take on Axel, who would lay Ian out like he did Robert.

I’d want a fight between them just so Chad Ian can be knocked down a peg or two.

The sparring was way before we levelled up Ian's max kickboxing/Jiu-Jitsu skills. The first opponent Ian fought was a dude weight-cutting from Jeremy's division to Ian's division. Gymgoers can scrap, no doubt but if they are pitted against an experienced fighter, they lose. You learn a lot in an actual fight rather than sparring and Ian did pretty well.

 

[GibboBtw]

Despite all the training he can do from the start of the game, Ian still struggles to spar against Jeremy and people think he could take on Axel, who would lay Ian out like he did Robert.

I’d want a fight between them just so Chad Ian can be knocked down a peg or two.

How dare you!

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[Vengeance_11]

The sparring was way before we levelled up Ian's max kickboxing/Jiu-Jitsu skills.

Axel isn’t going to care about Ian’s martial arts skills though, and I feel that will be the downfall of many players.

Not that it would matter since Axel is too big for Ian to perform any moves on him anyway. Even the toughest Ian would 100% be getting humbled.

 

[BlandChili]

Axel isn’t going to care about Ian’s martial arts skills though, and I feel that will be the downfall of many players.

Not that it would matter since Axel is too big for Ian to perform any moves on him anyway. Even the toughest Ian would 100% be getting humbled.

Well as you can see from how the game uses his skills already, as with this comment:

First it checks for jiujitsu or kickboxing score, and if they are lower than required, then it checks for athletics.

               if jiujitsu > 3 or kickboxing > 4:
                    "He tried to push Ian away forcefully, but Ian deflected his hand, avoiding being shoved backward."
                else:
                    if ian_athletics > 4:
                        "He pushed Ian away forcefully with just one hand. He staggered backward."
                    else:
                        "He pushed Ian away with just one hand, so forcefully that he sent him tumbling to the ground."

It's pretty clear that Axel will have to care about Ian's martial arts, since they are already making a difference.

No clue is that means beating him up, but Axel won't be folding Ian like a lawn chair either, that I feel somewhat confident in predicting.

 

[SearingFive]

Axel isn’t going to care about Ian’s martial arts skills though, and I feel that will be the downfall of many players.

Not that it would matter since Axel is too big for Ian to perform any moves on him anyway. Even the toughest Ian would 100% be getting humbled.

I never said Ian's gonna go unscathed. You are completely wrong about Axel winning the fight though. He's a 185cm dude while Ian is 175cm. Height doesn't mean shit when the guy is on the floor. You can argue that Axel is taller and has more range and reach, a kickboxer can overcome this with angles, leg kicks, and clinch work.

Technique trumps strength. In both BJJ and striking arts like kickboxing- leverage, timing, and precision matter far more than brute strength.

Fights are unpredictable. Environment, adrenaline, and mental toughness play huge roles. A smaller, more experienced fighter often keeps calm and controls the pace. We have seen Axel getting emotional pretty easily when he's about to start a fight.

 

[Ray_D]

That mofo always has his fist balled up like he's ready to scrap. What a clown!
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I guess it's eva's way of portraying axel as a guy who has little self-control.

Despite all the training he can do from the start of the game, Ian still struggles to spar against Jeremy and people think he could take on Axel, who would lay Ian out like he did Robert.

I’d want a fight between them just so Chad Ian can be knocked down a peg or two.

Well yes, eva programmed the sparring with jeremy that way, but despite that jeremy was not able to knock out his opponent despite his reach advantage. On the other hand ian can knock out and submit his opponent.

Axel isn’t going to care about Ian’s martial arts skills though, and I feel that will be the downfall of many players.

Not that it would matter since Axel is too big for Ian to perform any moves on him anyway. Even the toughest Ian would 100% be getting humbled.

Considering that eva did his homework by researching to make the MMA fight of the tournament. I think it's safe to say that if you went to the trouble of training ian correctly he will not only give axel a good fight but he can knock him out or even submit him with a headlock.

 

[GibboBtw]

I never said Ian's gonna go unscathed. You are completely wrong about Axel winning the fight though. He's a 185cm dude while Ian is 175cm. Height doesn't mean shit when the guy is on the floor. You can argue that Axel is taller and has more range and reach, a kickboxer can overcome this with angles, leg kicks, and clinch work.

Technique trumps strength. In both BJJ and striking arts like kickboxing- leverage, timing, and precision matter far more than brute strength.

Fights are unpredictable. Environment, adrenaline, and mental toughness play huge roles. A smaller, more experienced fighter often keeps calm and controls the pace. We have seen Axel getting emotional pretty easily when he's about to start a fight.

Nah mate, didn't you know. if you're bigger than the other dude. you auto win in fights. It doesn't matter if you have no idea what you're doing and the other guy is trained.

Big > Small

10/10 logic, can't be argued with lmao

 

[Hungover00]

Nah mate, didn't you know. if you're bigger than the other dude. you auto win in fights. It doesn't matter if you have no idea what you're doing and the other guy is trained.

Big > Small

10/10 logic, can't be argued with lmao

Before adding training, or Joe Pesci character crazy, that is pretty much true. Size wins most amateur fights.

But as soon as technique gets added to the equation, things can change drastically.

I don't think we've ever heard of Axel doing any martial arts. He comes across as a bully that's never really been challenged, that works out to look good, and has ridden off his genetics most of his life. So I think a trained Ian is going to surprise the fuck out of him.

 

[FactualAligator]

Axel isn’t going to care about Ian’s martial arts skills though, and I feel that will be the downfall of many players.

Not that it would matter since Axel is too big for Ian to perform any moves on him anyway. Even the toughest Ian would 100% be getting humbled.

I never said Ian's gonna go unscathed. You are completely wrong about Axel winning the fight though. He's a 185cm dude while Ian is 175cm. Height doesn't mean shit when the guy is on the floor. You can argue that Axel is taller and has more range and reach, a kickboxer can overcome this with angles, leg kicks, and clinch work.

Technique trumps strength. In both BJJ and striking arts like kickboxing- leverage, timing, and precision matter far more than brute strength.

Fights are unpredictable. Environment, adrenaline, and mental toughness play huge roles. A smaller, more experienced fighter often keeps calm and controls the pace. We have seen Axel getting emotional pretty easily when he's about to start a fight.

So here's a fight:

(sorry about the quality, it's what I could find on short notice)

I started it at the final round. The fight ends a little after the 25 minute mark. Henderson is 5'9", the same as Ian's given height. Thatch is 6'2", which is actually a little taller than Axel.

I'm just saying someone Ian's size winning against an Axel wouldn't be unprecedented.

 

[fatpussy123]

I never said Ian's gonna go unscathed. You are completely wrong about Axel winning the fight though. He's a 185cm dude while Ian is 175cm. Height doesn't mean shit when the guy is on the floor. You can argue that Axel is taller and has more range and reach, a kickboxer can overcome this with angles, leg kicks, and clinch work.

Technique trumps strength. In both BJJ and striking arts like kickboxing- leverage, timing, and precision matter far more than brute strength.

Fights are unpredictable. Environment, adrenaline, and mental toughness play huge roles. A smaller, more experienced fighter often keeps calm and controls the pace. We have seen Axel getting emotional pretty easily when he's about to start a fight.

So here's a fight:

(sorry about the quality, it's what I could find on short notice)

I started it at the final round. The fight ends a little after the 25 minute mark. Henderson is 5'9", the same as Ian's given height. Thatch is 6'2", which is actually a little taller than Axel.

I'm just saying someone Ian's size winning against an Axel wouldn't be unprecedented.

Lmao, I love how we get a scientific breakdown with a UFC citation on why Ian can beat Axel's ass.

 

[varpep]

I never said Ian's gonna go unscathed. You are completely wrong about Axel winning the fight though. He's a 185cm dude while Ian is 175cm. Height doesn't mean shit when the guy is on the floor. You can argue that Axel is taller and has more range and reach, a kickboxer can overcome this with angles, leg kicks, and clinch work.

Technique trumps strength. In both BJJ and striking arts like kickboxing- leverage, timing, and precision matter far more than brute strength.

Fights are unpredictable. Environment, adrenaline, and mental toughness play huge roles. A smaller, more experienced fighter often keeps calm and controls the pace. We have seen Axel getting emotional pretty easily when he's about to start a fight.

Someone like Mike Tyson who was undersized in the heavyweight division (178cm/ 5'10") made 6 footers and above cry cause the way he fought carried such an aura of ferocity and brutality so many fighters where sacred to enter the ring with him. Another Example is Qawi who stood even shorter at 170cm(5'7") fought regularly against taller opponents and despite their huge advantage in reach they couldn't seem to touch him because of his unbeatable jab. This was because he timed it to perfection so as they were coming down to meet him, they would be getting a face full o' fist. He at one point was even heavyweight champion. That is why fighters are separated by weight division. At a certain weight height doesn't still play as much of a factor. But even so Ian shouldn't be too behind on weight class with Axel. It might be difficult for him to put Axel down but that's about it. Ian will woop Axel all day every day. And that's without even talking about Ian's wrestling capabilities.

 

[NewSeal]

God the worst part of the alison route is the constant nagging about the same fucking issue. It's funny that you can earn chad points for telling her to shut up.
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The fact that there are "chad" points for Ian or "slutty" and "posh" points for Lena makes me wonder if it'd be better if they were visible in-game, and shown in choices, like good/bad points in GGGB. Would that be too many points to keep track of, along the regular stats, maybe?

 

[Ray_D]

Lmao, I love how we get a scientific breakdown with a UFC citation on why Ian can Axel's ass.
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At least you have to admit it's a more entertaining topic to discuss.

 

[fatpussy123]

At least you have to admit it's a more entertaining topic to discuss.

It is. But I'm no expert, so I'm just sitting back watching. Like I'm watching Stephen A Smith on ESPN or something.

 

[IDoAThing]

If Iris doesn't make it to that party there's no justice in the world.

Waiting for the next book "A Wink of Sin" where we get more of Iris

 

[Makima's husband]

I never said Ian's gonna go unscathed. You are completely wrong about Axel winning the fight though. He's a 185cm dude while Ian is 175cm. Height doesn't mean shit when the guy is on the floor. You can argue that Axel is taller and has more range and reach, a kickboxer can overcome this with angles, leg kicks, and clinch work.

Technique trumps strength. In both BJJ and striking arts like kickboxing- leverage, timing, and precision matter far more than brute strength.

Fights are unpredictable. Environment, adrenaline, and mental toughness play huge roles. A smaller, more experienced fighter often keeps calm and controls the pace. We have seen Axel getting emotional pretty easily when he's about to start a fight.

Before adding training, or Joe Pesci character crazy, that is pretty much true. Size wins most amateur fights.

But as soon as technique gets added to the equation, things can change drastically.

I don't think we've ever heard of Axel doing any martial arts. He comes across as a bully that's never really been challenged, that works out to look good, and has ridden off his genetics most of his life. So I think a trained Ian is going to surprise the fuck out of him.

Look, I ain’t sayin’ technique don’t matterit do but c’mon now. If you got two dudes who both know they stuff, and one’s sittin’ at 100kg while the other’s 80kg? Bruh, strength gon’ win that battle 9 times outta 10. All else bein’ equal, that weight advantage is straight cheat code. That’s why them BJJ absolutes be wild big dawgs just smother folks. Same goes for the stand-up game. Ain’t no shame in it, that’s just science. Physics don’t lie, y’all.

 

[SearingFive]

Look, I ain’t sayin’ technique don’t matterit do but c’mon now. If you got two dudes who both know they stuff, and one’s sittin’ at 100kg while the other’s 80kg? Bruh, strength gon’ win that battle 9 times outta 10. All else bein’ equal, that weight advantage is straight cheat code. That’s why them BJJ absolutes be wild big dawgs just smother folks. Same goes for the stand-up game. Ain’t no shame in it, that’s just science. Physics don’t lie, y’all.

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[fatpussy123]

If you got two dudes who both know they stuff

Is there any evidence that Axel knows his stuff? He seems like he just works out for aesthetics and uses his large size to bully weaker Ians. Jeremy is a bit different as he also trains, but it seems like even he relies more on kickboxing, whereas Ian can choose to learn grappling and get focused training from Sensei Wen like he's Daniel Larusso.

You said 9 times out of 10 the bigger guy wins if everything else is equal. But things aren't all equal and even if they were, for dramatic moments in the story, unlikely things only need to happen once. For example Ian so far can only lose to Jeremy in sparring, but if they have real beef and have a street fight Eva can write it in that the 1 in 10 chance happens. Story climaxes where the MC wins tend to be against overwhelming odds otherwise it wouldn't feel satisfying. What were the odds of Luke shooting his torpedo into the small exhaust port? Probably lower than Ian beating Jeremy or Axel in a fight.

 

[pantypriv]

I'm not getting into the weeds of this discussion/topic, but this point screams out to me:

Is there any evidence that Axel knows his stuff?

Well, is there?
Axel seems jacked and tough, but do we actually know that he's a trained martial artist?

 

[ffive]

Is there any evidence that Axel knows his stuff? He seems like he just works out for aesthetics and uses his large size to bully weaker Ians.

Axel defeats his opponents psychologically, by whipping out his cock in front of them.

That Marcel was immune to such attack would tell us something, but we knew that already.