VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[NewSeal]

"Jasmine has entered the chat."

I wish this game would have a transgender girl too, just with a little better representation.

 

[JM24]

I wish this game would have a transgender girl too, just with a little better representation.

Doesn't GGGB have one?

 

[NewSeal]

Doesn't GGGB have one?

Yes, Jasmine, as ffive stated, but I'm talking about a transgender character in ORS, and with a bit more positive representation.

 

[ffive]

I don't know what country you live in, but where I come from a lot of girls won't even blow their boyfriends. Most of them stick to vaginal sex, be it missionary, doggy or whatever.

I guess that's fair enough, although i'd wonder if this isn't more of a case that those "lot of girls" would rather pretend to you it's something they don't engage in, as opposed to informing you with full details about their sex lives. After all, if you go by statistics, then something like 80% of men and 70% of women admitted to having experience with oral sex (either giving or receiving). Which doesn't leave much room for those lot of girls who supposedly never do it.

(i've gotta admit, the very idea that oral sex is "freaky" feels like something from last century to me, along with a shock at seeing a woman's ankle)

 

[JM24]

Yes, Jasmine, as ffive stated, but I'm talking about a transgender character in ORS, and with a bit more positive representation.

Hmm I'd like that as well. But I personally don't think Ian swing that way. Wade and Jeremy seem a bit homophobic/transphobic to me. The only one who may wanna explore on that front is Ian's chubby bf (forgot his name).

 

[JM24]

I guess that's fair enough, although i'd wonder if this isn't more of a case that those "lot of girls" would rather pretend to you it's something they don't engage in, as opposed to informing you with full details about their sex lives. After all, if you go by statistics, then something like 80% of men and 70% of women admitted to having experience with oral sex (either giving or receiving). Which doesn't leave much room for those lot of girls who supposedly never do it.

First of all, where did you get that statistics from? I'm sure that is not the case here where I'm from. Secondly, yeah they may do that, saying one thing and doing the other in private, but I'm talking about girls openly saying that they hate giving blowjobs, like in a podcast or something like that. Why would they lie about it? And you didn't respond to the anal sex point. I am pretty darn sure the majority of couples never try anal sex (prolly 70% min, unofficially tho), at least in where I come from. So doesn't that make Lena the minority and the more adventurous type aka "pretty freaky" then?

 

[NewSeal]

Hmm I'd like that as well. But I personally don't think Ian swing that way. Wade and Jeremy seem a bit homophobic/transphobic to me. The only one who may wanna explore on that front is Ian's chubby bf (forgot his name).

Ian is by default a pretty open minded dude, but most importantly his views on preferences are shaped by player's choices, so whether he'd be into it or not would be up to the player, same for Lena.

 

[Blurpee69]

Like i said, if having sex other than missionary with one's boyfriend counts as getting pretty freaky then sure. But by that metric you'd struggle pretty hard to find a "non-freaky" human past their mid-twenties.

Virgin till the day I die to avoid being called a freak. Don't need that label in my life. No siree

 

[ffive]

First of all, where did you get that statistics from?

It's from the United States National Institute of Health:

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but I'm talking about girls openly saying that they hate giving blowjobs in public, like in a podcast or something like that. Why would they lie about it?

It's hard to say, but a lot of what people say in public (especially when it's worldwide level of "public") is performance intended to create one's certain image. If, like you say, oral sex is perceived as "freaky" where you live, then people could be naturally reluctant to admit to such activity and condemning it could be considered some sort of "virtue signaling". On the other hand in groups where it's considered a norm acting differently could be presenting oneself as edgy and unique.

And you didn't respond to the anal sex point.

I kind of overlooked it, sorry. I don't know statistics concerning it, but there's probably difference between how many people do it more or less regularly and how many of them tried it. Lena would be in the latter category -- as a player you can actually develop her experience with and/or preference for anal sex through a number of choices which cause her to warm up to this idea. It's only in the most recent chapter where Lena can note that she's, much to her own surprise, learned to enjoy anal sex as much as vaginal.

So no, i don't personally see this as some sign of Lena's particular freakiness in the past. Much like the threesome, i imagine she'd potentially agreed to give it a go at Axel's insistence.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yeah, you can stop her from doing all that stuff. But it's clear she's already done it anyway. Ivy and Lena have had lesbian sex in the past, they've done drugs together and they've slept around together. You can try to make her into a different person, but you can can't unmake the past, when she's been clearly very different, under Ivy's influence.

This is shown clearly with Holly. If Lena prevents Ivy having an undue influence over Holly, then she remains pretty much herself, albeit somewhat more confident and outgoing. But if she allows it, regardless of what Lena does herself, Holly rapidly transforms into Ivy Mark 2. And I'm guessing that's pretty much what happened to Lena. Love her or hate her, this girl has bucketloads of confidence, and most girls can't help but be impressed by her. Even Emma, who is hardly someone who gets easily influenced by others, is a bit in awe of Ivy when she meets her at Blazer.

Also, I think there's a bit of a difference between what Holly does with Lena, in the safe confines of Lena's bedroom, with someone she's obviously developing sexual feelings for, and what Lena does in public, with professional photographers, she's never previously met or being sketched by dozens of complete strangers, some of whom are clearly only there to get a sexual thrill. It's a pretty large order of magnitude different, which Pure Holly would never dream of contemplating. But Ivy influenced Holly, is entirely different matter. How long before she starts posting erotic photos of herself on Peoplegram? She's even suggesting to Ian that her next novel might diverge from the fantasy genre into erotic fiction. So promoting herself on social media, in a similar way to Ivy, might then become an advantage?

Cindy is clearly one of those girls who is celebrity obsessed and dreams of the glamorous lifestyle she could have, if she could become a model. But she obviously lacks confidence, even though it's clear to everyone around her, that she's actually hot and sexy. She just needs someone to tell her that and encourage her to take that step , and Wade never does, because that's not the kind of lifestyle or girlfriend that he really wants. Nobody is really surprised when Cindy actually does become a model, because only she believed that she wasn't capable of being one. So when Axel, starts saying that she'd be perfect, the dream is already there, waiting to be activated by someone who can make it happen. It's not a random event that she just falls into, because she desperately needs the money or she's got nothing better to do. It's something she's always craved, but needed for someone to say, that yeah it's not an outrageous idea. And that's what really makes Axel attractive to Cindy, because he can facilitate her dream, which is the glamorous celebrity lifestyle, that would come with being a successful model. It's not a random occurrence, because the player makes certain choices, it's her previous history, experiences and desires that push her inevitably in that direction. Because that's who she is, and the player can only modify that, by making her hook-up with Ian instead.

Is Cindy really even into Axel? Unless she's having a relationship with Ian, who she's clearly developing feelings for, I think she's still not completely over Wade? And perhaps Axel is just the guy she fucks to try and get past him? If Lena rejects him, then it's clear Axel sees Cindy as a possible replacement for her. But very much, a second class replacement. So I just don't see these hook-ups going anywhere. Because they just don't have the chemistry, that Axel and Lena obviously have, if you allow them to start hooking up again. Ian is clearly supposed to be the 'one' for Cindy (if you allow it to happen) and if you don't, then it will probably be someone else after this game is completed.

What I'm trying to say, is that what went before, is important. And whatever choices you make, you can't wish away the past and the influence that it has on these characters, and will continue to have throughout the remainder of the game. Yes, you can remake Lena and Ian to be closer to what you want, and to a lesser degree the other characters, but what they were before the players start meddling, will always be a factor and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Eva won't throw a spanner in the works, to try to derail the players efforts. Which is clearly the case, with Gillian's return, and the fact she's now going to be working with Ian. So it's not like he can just avoid her. She's going to be there on a regular basis, stirring up old memories. And if you've not allowed Ian to completely disregard his feelings for his ex-girlfriend or you've allowed him to re-connect with her in any way. You just know, that somewhere down the line, she's going to come after Ian.

if u made choice to not ignore Gillian ch13,Ian will not be able to keep a stable relationship with the others girls.

 

[NewSeal]

I don't know what country you live in, but where I come from a lot of girls won't even blow their boyfriends.

Not a western country, I take it? It sounds like your country is pretty strict and conservative when it comes to sex. And to expand on this point;

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I think it's dishonest too look at ORS through this point of view, since they're western people, in a western country. It's not uncommon in these countries for young people to talk openly about what they're into or not in bed, even with people they don't know all that well, in casual conversations. The level of how much they share/how crudely they talk about it varies from each country.
So yeah by eastern standards, an average person with an active sex life in their 20s is a sexual demon, going by their preferences and amount of sexual experience they have.
This logic just doesn't apply to ORS though because none of the characters in the game come from a radically different culture with strict views on sex and relationships.

 

[JM24]

It's from the United States National Institute of Health:

You must be registered to see the links

Well I had a quick look at it and it says they analyzed 884 ppl, which is a pretty small sample and by no means representative of the masses. And in such a vast country as the US different demographics will probably show very different attitudes towards sex, I'd imagine. In some areas where people are very devout Christians you may actually find it hard to find couples who perform anything other than missionary sex, which you claim is impossible. That's just my projection of the States though, correct me if I'm wrong.

It's hard to say, but a lot of what people say in public (especially when it's worldwide level of "public") is performance intended to create one's certain image. If, like you say, oral sex is perceived as "freaky" where you live, then people could be naturally reluctant to admit to such activity and condemning it could be considered some sort of "virtue signaling". On the other hand in groups where it's considered a norm acting differently could be presenting oneself as edgy and unique.

If you wanna go that path then there's really no point arguing coz there's no way to actually know what people do in their private lives unless you install a camera in their houses, which is a crime and should not be done. And no oral sex is not perceived as "freaky" where I live, it's just that there seem to be a lot more girls who like to speak about sex these days and they clearly say that they don't like giving blowjobs because they feel repugnant about it this and that. I see no reason to lie on their part coz if you look at the comments below (some are on insta and some are on threads) they actually attract a lot of hate from certain viewers for saying that.

I kind of overlooked it, sorry. I don't know statistics concerning it, but there's probably difference between how many people do it more or less regularly and how many of them tried it. Lena would be in the latter category -- as a player you can actually develop her experience with and/or preference for anal sex through a number of choices which cause her to warm up to this idea. It's only in the most recent chapter where Lena can note that she's, much to her own surprise, learned to enjoy anal sex as much as vaginal.

So no, i don't personally see this as some sign of Lena's particular freakiness in the past. Much like the threesome, i imagine she'd potentially agreed to give it a go at Axel's insistence.

Fair enough because Lena did say they didn't go all the way so I don't think it counts as a fetish on her part. But the fact that she got persuaded by Axel to actually try it still says something, but I blame Axel more than her in that regard.

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

u played which paths?

Yeah Bro...how could i not???

 

[JM24]

Not a western country, I take it? It sounds like your country is pretty strict and conservative when it comes to sex. And to expand on this point;

No it's in Asia and no I won't say it's strict but some are certainly very very conservative. A lot of ppl are still very hostile to the LGBT community but we also have a lot of open-minded groups of ppl. And it's not like there are laws against being in a homosexual relationship or anything like that. So it really depends.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yeah Bro...how could i not???

I play Lena/ian path,cindy/ian affaire and ian/minerva.How about u?

 

[SerHawkes]

Hawke's single path: Ian-Ivy/Lena-Holly. Everyone else is dead.

 

[NewSeal]

Hawke's single path: Ian-Ivy/Lena-Holly. Everyone else is dead.

Our Dead String?

 

[Zara Scarlet]

if u made choice to not ignore Gillian ch13,Ian will not be able to keep a stable relationship with the others girls.

When you say a 'stable' relationship, what exactly do you mean? Are there any truly stable relationships in this game currently? But obviously, if you chose for Ian to go down that route with Gillian, it's going to cause a lot of issues for him, which I'm sure most people who made that choice, were hoping for anyway.. But having said that, you can still have Lena fantasise about Axel, and even go through a sexually charged photoshoot with him and then later reject him at the 12th hour. So I don't see any reason, why Ian won't be able to do something similar with Gillian, if the player so chooses?

 

[Maccabbee]

When you say a 'stable' relationship, what exactly do you mean? Are there any truly stable relationships in this game currently?

Yes, my run is Ian/Lena, and is pure and stable.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Yes, my run is Ian/Lena, and is pure and stable.

You say it's stable. But even if Lena completely rejects Seymour and Axel, and Ian rejects Gillian. All of them are still firmly in their lives, stirring the hornet's nest. Ian is still irrationally jealous of Axel, and Seymour is still malevolently trying to ruin Lena's life, as well as their relationship. The way I see it, Seymour is the biggest threat to Ian and Lena on the faithful route, because he has the potential to destroy Ian's hopes of becoming an author. The guy totally covets Lena, and he doesn't accept being told 'no'. So we all know at some point, he's going to try to blackmail them. And Ian will be faced with a choice, sacrifice Lena or sacrifice his career. Or vice versa, he'll give Lena the same choice, give up Ian or Seymour will ruin him. The only way out of it, that I can see, is that Ian eventually gets his book published by the rival publishing group, currently being established, by the guy who wrote 'The Fall of Delbaeth', that Ian (or Holly) reviewed earlier in the game?

What I'm saying though, is that every relationship in this game, is faced by potentially catastrophic challenges, whatever choices you make. So saying it's currently stable is an illusion, because it's not supposed to be plain sailing. That only comes when the game ends, and the respective partners have resolved their personal issues and overcome all the obstacles thrown in their paths.