Akabakka

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So how many of you folks had Ivy slip down in your ranking? Ngl, she was an instant mood killer and will not recover in my ranking, unless she changes herself drastically in a good way.
She was always low in my book and rankings. She never struck me as a good friend, but a hater of anything that doesn't involve partying and sex. Since often compared to Jess in GGGB...Jess was at least straightforward, and someone you could "reform". But in all paths I've tried so far (not claiming all of them), Ivy does Lena dirty in some way, keeping secrets about Lena's ex, constantly shitting on Louise (even if Louise can be a basket-case at times), the whole thing with Jeremy (even if, to be fair, at first she didn't know anything). Then, of course, her questionable tastes in partners (the whole model agency and that billy clown oooof).

Jess could go down a bad path... but overall she had decent tastes in men, at least when it comes to looks, charisma, and sexual prowess. You could understand her hanging out with the likes of Jack and Tyrone.

So far I've only had one real "use" for Ivy... and it was to help corrupt Holly down the lesbian/bisexual path for the benefits of Lena (and Ian in some plays).
 

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But deep down she love a man with physic and ego, she love to be controlled physically than being in control.
There is a difference in uncontrollable violence in public that stresses her out and likely results in even more harm and controllable strength to keep her feel secure and protected in very intimate circumstances. Hence she always hates it when men fight over her, but loves it when they get rough with her.

So how many of you folks had Ivy slip down in your ranking? Ngl, she was an instant mood killer and will not recover in my ranking, unless she changes herself drastically in a good way.
I expected more from her in this update specifically, which centered around her to a large extent. The final day may help it if she corrupts Good Jess and pulls other stuff with the cast, but she just isn't showing much depth or development.
It's telling that Zarina got that much approval, even though she is just a newly introduced variant of Ivy.
 
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Everyone arguing who is better. Me who has steadfastly enjoyed exclusive Allison content since 4 years ago. Only thing that comes close is Victoria.
 
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To be exact, this is determined by flag v8_jeremy_sex which is set when Lena decides to Wake Jeremy up in the morning. It doesn't need to include the threesome.
Python:
    "So Jeremy was sleeping in Louise's bed..."
    "I couldn't help but think about our texting this past Thursday. It was cut short just when it was getting good..."
    "Images of that night at Ivy's place came to mind. Memories of what it felt like to have that enormous cock in my hands, stroking it..."
    "I started feeling goosebumps. Just thinking about it had me rushing with excitement and anticipation."
    menu:
        "{image=icon_lust.webp}Wake Jeremy up":
            $ v8_jeremy_sex = True
//...
        menu:
            "{image=icon_ring.webp}I want a relationship with you" if (ian_alison_love == False and ian_lena_love) or (ian_alison_love == False and ian_lena > 8):
//...
                if lena_ian_love and v8_jeremy_sex == False:
//...
                # 2 - DECLINE
                else:
//...
                    l "Oh."
                    l "About that..."
                    if lena_jeremy_sex:
                        l "I... Right now I don't think it's a good moment..."
                        l "There are things that... I mean, I don't feel ready for that kind of commitment."
Just to be comprehensive, we must stress that Ian can still get into a relationship with Lena later, after she wakes Jeremy up AND has the threesome with Louise:

you must have max love points with Ian,

decide at your parents' house that it is not a casual relationship and you want to be with him,

AND Ian needs to decide to give it a chance in his inner monologue when settling in the bedroom at the beach house.

and Ian and Lena decide to be a couple at night on the beach.

Actually, to be really exhaustive, you can let Lena fuck Jeremy on any occasion until the beach house, and then still get the throuple.

I have made an experiment: I have played the game on the max, max Wits path, where you take all the Wits options even if you are already max.

The outcome is this: The ultimate Wits path leads to the throuple but with Lena having fucked Jeremy aftrer breaking up with Ian who went to the book fair with Holly, until you get back with him via the throuple. Here it goes:

- Ian starts dating Lena but chooses to go at the book fair with Holly (you get wits options from the conversation at night and in the morning, while Wade's birthday can give you charisma but no wits, so if you're on the Wits path you go to the fair).

- Then Lena stops seeing him, and fucks Jeremy, because surprisingly enough, you need to be on the Jeremy path to get max wits (points for unlocking Louise's phone, responding to him "our secret ?" when you wake him up).

- You don't let Ivy sluttify Holly, because otherwise you lose the wits point you get by going home and watching a movie (point for "I am far from perfect").

- And then the throuple unfolds at the beach house and Lena stops seeing Jeremy.

I also have to point out and interesting aspect: for Lena to be on the maximum wits path (beyond the max points), you cannot be on Stalkfap (you get a wits point for not changing your mind and decline) you can only have slept with Ian, Jeremy, Louise and Holly. Nobody else:

- If you sleep with Robert, you lose the wits point on "I want you to tell me right now" about the job situation.

- When you meet Mike, the wits path makes you choose the cute outfit, so when he says he has a girlfriend you automatically lose interest.

- You get a Wits point from not calling Axel

- You get a Wits point not taking the drug (by calling Billy out on his project) so no cheating at Ivy's birthday

- You get Wits point by staying away from Ivy after her birthday

- You get a Wits point by ignoring Jack's compliment.

This path makes the last update pretty boring though.
 

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Bad terms with Ian's friend group? How do you mean? :unsure:
As many :( as possible with them, I haven't done this so at the time I'm just speculating but let's say she doesn't get to be friends with them, gets away after breaking up with Ian or just picking the wrong options at any given opportunity; like with Emma, she can get a -1 in the friend bar if Lena calls stupid the reason for getting a tattoo, or kicking the dog (I don't think I can do it again I was just too curious to see the dialogue) and when Lena is too posh and too much pro-Seymour

If that works, which I will try later, her only available friendships are Ivy, Holly, and maybe Louise, and/or Stan; and those last two have plenty of opportunities to drop the friendship bar to zero

Seymour didn't come inside Lena...
She blows him and make him come...
Even when Seymour has not been the villain we want, EK can't have him acting that dumb. His net worth is way too high to go giving creampies willy nilly like Ian. He actually have something to lose
 

Akabakka

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Fuck Jeremy. I prefer Tyrone.
No way I prefer Jeremy easily. At least Jeremy usually remains a decent friend to Ian, and he’s a jovial dude all around. There is a good reason only the lame-o and insufferable Perry seemingly does not like him much. Tyrone, from what I remember, always betrays Jack eventually.

Also, Tyrone was hilarious at his own party... Bro is okay hunting the MC even knowing she might be slutting all around... but gets silently mad, ditches, and ignores her if she gets too friendly with his own buddy. And said party's purpose was basically to provide girls for his homies. He's kinda a tool.
 

DaLuke2

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No way I prefer Jeremy easily. At least Jeremy usually remains a decent friend to Ian, and he’s a jovial dude all around. There is a good reason only the lame-o and insufferable Perry seemingly does not like him much. Tyrone, from what I remember, always betrays Jack eventually.

Also, Tyrone was hilarious at his own party... Bro is okay hunting the MC even knowing she might be slutting all around... but gets silently mad, ditches, and ignores her if she gets too friendly with his own buddy. And said party's purpose was basically to provide girls for his homies. He's kinda a tool.
Erm you may not have noticed, but the purer Ash remains, the more attracted to her Tyrone is. The sluttiest she has become, the less interested he is. Check again.
 
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Erm you may not have noticed, but the purer Ash remains, the more attracted to her Tyrone is. The sluttiest she has become, the less interested he is. Check again.
That's not my point, I'm not talking about how to get the optimal "love" path with him. Again, I was commenting on his overall demeanor and actions on multiple paths, at least. He easily betrays his friend and does not mind going like a shark smelling blood after the MC when she goes "bad." Of course, I'll agree that even then he wants the focus on him, hence what happens at the party, if she disappoints him.
 
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DaLuke2

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That's not my point. Again, I was commenting on his overall demeanor and actions on multiple paths, at least. He easily betrays his friend and does not mind going like a shark smelling blood after the MC when she goes "bad." Of course, I'll agree that even then he wants the focus on him, hence what happens at the party.
Yes, yes, I was just rectifying a specific point which was besides your main point, I'll grant you that. And yes you are right, however you play, Tyrone betraying Jack is cannon.

What you can influence as a player is how successful his betrayal turns out, that's all.

Actually, there is a very depressing ending where Ash is with Jack but did not prevent the screw up, and where bankrupt Jack is feeling depressed in their relationship. I remember a pic where he doesn't even get it really hard while Ash sucks him. Pretty fucked up.

It reminds me of ORS' cuck path, and I have come to realize that beyond BBC and whatever, EK has a genuine depression fetish/kink.
 

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I don't really believe the author has all the fetishes she/he put into a VN

By the way, ORS seems way toned down in terms of fetish. We could turn Ashley into a craaaaaaazy slut. Lena - up to current point - is not even closer.
 
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I don't really believe the author has all the fetishes she/he put into a VN

By the way, ORS seems way toned down in terms of fetish. We could turn Ashley into a craaaaaaazy slut. Lena - up to current point - is not even closer.
And this is surprising? It's a directly stated goal of this game to be more grounded with its sexual developments.
 
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I don't really believe the author has all the fetishes she/he put into a VN

By the way, ORS seems way toned down in terms of fetish. We could turn Ashley into a craaaaaaazy slut. Lena - up to current point - is not even closer.
Yes, I am talking about her as an author, not as a person.

Re. Ash vs. Lena, to me the difference / comparison is pretty clear.

Slut Ash is at least hilarious. Slut Lena is boring and mediocre. Slut Ash wins over Slut Lena.

However, Wits Lena is probably the most beautiful character ever created across all VNs. Ever.

Wits Lena wins over any Ash, and any character in the industry.

Then you build your Wits Lena with a couple of twists, faithful to Ian yet with a BBC fetish, a Mike attraction and an MFM fantasy, while still giving Ian the FMF with Louise, then she is wedding material.
 

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I get it. Lena is really great as the one to be Ian's girl. That sex scene at the beach (when you don't slut her out with every dick she finds) is really nice. I got kind of emotional :D

But after playing GGGB, I really feel Lena pales if you play trying to turn her into that kind of person - and I don't know if that's good or not. Maybe I'm waiting for her to be in some of those crazy gangbangs with thugs and rappers like Ashley LOL
 
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