VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

But poorly implemented. Ian can solve this problem in the early game by using a Willn point and deleting her photos.

The thing is, Ian doesn't solve the problem simply deleting the photos. At best he reduces the impact somewhat, but it is clear from his overall behavior the breakup has scarred him very deep and he's still only just starting to recover from it.

I also think it's way to early to declare how things will unfold -- we have a cliffhanger (of) accidental meeting, but we have yet to see Ian's actual reaction(s) to it after the initial surprise. Maybe deleting the photos is going to have similar effect it does on Lena's side, where it's a step needed to shield her from relapsing into lusting after Axel. That part of the game isn't coded yet.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I want to ask, did everyone who was nice to Stan get his weird declaration of love? If so, then I'm not at all surprised. This guy has been a creepy incel and will remain so. Eva doesn't like this character, so I doubt he will end up with something good.

Spoiler: Creepy Stan

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[ffive]

While I can't disagree with you on this point, I can still say it was poorly handed. I just got to the end of the update with what is supposed to be a cliffhanger and my thoughts were "I don't really give a fuck about this to be honest". And the main reason is that there's almost no built tension around Gillian to make this moment feel like a big deal.

I suspect it has a lot to do with people having played the parts where Gillian appears literally years ago, when the episodes with her were released. Her presence and tension surrounding it is quite stronger when you've just played the whole game in one (or few) sittings, and Ian's recollections and dream of her are fresh on your mind.

 

[Chuck_Bass]

I want to ask, did everyone who was nice to Stan get his weird declaration of love? If so, then I'm not at all surprised. This guy has been a creepy incel and will remain so. Eva doesn't like this character, so I doubt he will end up with something good.

Spoiler: Creepy Stan

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True, I had my suspicions about how his character is going to develop and it's a shame I was right :\

 

[xgrotesc]

Typical "nice guy" act in my eyes. I had my suspicions about how It's going to turn out(last chapter he was acting to simpish) and I got my confirmation. I hoped I was wrong about Stan and he was not a full-blown creep/nice guy but it is what it is.

Yes, but it's the sudden switch that makes this not believable. I've known my fair share of Stan's over the years and this is not how they switch. The usual path is to at first try to be understanding and accepting of the other person's decision and try to play it cool for a while, but on the inside there's actual some resentment building which ultimately starts making them to slowly act out of character and making that switch and eventually lash out at the person. But even then it's not to this dimension. We all have to understand that Stan is a full blown introvert, so his lashing out would probably be a ot more subtle and in a way it could actually also be meaner then this. Instead he just comes out as childish, which isn't something I can actually say from the few Stan's I've met in my life.

 

[ffive]

I want to ask, did everyone who was nice to Stan get his weird declaration of love?

The declaration hinges on having good relationship with Stan, yes. But probably worth to keep on mind that currently the player has no option to pick the "Let's discuss this" branch which allows Lena to either let him down gently or (tentatively) accept his feelings. So the impression he creates can be pretty skewed.

 

[Chuck_Bass]

Yes, but it's the sudden switch that makes this not believable. I've known my fair share of Stan's over the years and this is not how they switch. The usual path is to at first try to be understanding and accepting of the other person's decision and try to play it cool for a while, but on the inside there's actual some resentment building which ultimately starts making them to slowly act out of character and making that switch and eventually lash out at the person. But even then it's not to this dimension. We all have to understand that Stan is a full blown introvert, so his lashing out would probably be a ot more subtle and in a way it could actually also be meaner then this. Instead he just comes out as childish, which isn't something I can actually say from the few Stan's I've met in my life.

You should visit the r/nice guys Reddit. You will find plenty of examples like this one.

 

[xgrotesc]

I suspect it has a lot to do with people having played the parts where Gillian appears literally years ago, when the episodes with her were released. Her presence and tension surrounding it is quite stronger when you've just played the whole game in one (or few) sittings, and Ian's recollections and dream of her are fresh on your mind.

Would be true, but if you remember correctly we all had to start a new game on this last episode, so all of that it's still pretty fresh in my mind. Obviously not all have to feel the same way as me, but seeing others having the same feeling as I have makes me think that other people also felt that this wasn't really well developped and there was not enough tension to make this as impactful as it is supposed to come across.

 

[xgrotesc]

You should visit the r/nice guys Reddit. You will find plenty of examples like this one.

Not really interested in checking that to be honest, but anyway, I'll take your word on that one.

Still from a story point of view, I still feel like this could've been handled very differently and made the story more interesting, even if the outcome would end up being the same.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

True, I had my suspicions about how his character is going to develop and it's a shame I was right :\

I finally agree with you on some points, thanks Stan. In general, in any fiction there are characters that disgust the majority, like Robert for example. But Eva may want that character to be Stan, despite the whining of some of the audience who see themselves in Stan and feel sympathy for him.

The declaration hinges on having good relationship with Stan, yes. But probably worth to keep on mind that currently the player has no option to pick the "Let's discuss this" branch which allows Lena to either let him down gently or (tentatively) accept his feelings. So the impression he creates can be pretty skewed.

I'm coming to the conclusion that the best way out is to be neutral towards Stan in the game and avoid him as much as possible. Away from dangerous drama, because I remember that in GGGB Ashley could die before the end of the game.

 

[ffive]

Would be true, but if you remember correctly we all had to start a new game on this last episode, so all of that it's still pretty fresh in my mind.

That still makes the impressions a few months old, and that's generously presuming people didn't just hold down Ctrl to skip through bits they've already played in the previous iteration.

Obviously not all have to feel the same way as me, but seeing others having the same feeling as I have makes me think that other people also felt that this wasn't really well developped and there was not enough tension to make this as impactful as it is supposed to come across.

I have severe doubts whether this is something that ever can be "well developed" and it hinges more on the player's initial impression of the character than anything -- case in point, Being a DIK has devoted entire episode to establish importance of "returning ex". It didn't stop some people from loudly and repeatedly declaring how they just don't care about the character because they've already settled on some other option.

(then, when the said ex actually showed up and could be interacted with it turned out that, surprise surprise, some of these people found their lack of interest highly premature)

 

[Anti-Toxic Med]

it's chapter 11 already?
that's pretty fast...

 

[Chuck_Bass]

I finally agree with you on some points, thanks Stan. In general, in any fiction there are characters that disgust the majority, like Robert for example. But Eva may want that character to be Stan, despite the whining of some of the audience who see themselves in Stan and feel sympathy for him.

Well, we agree about Robert too, the guy got zero personality and if was 60 pounds heavier he would probably be a Stan too.

 

[ffive]

I'm coming to the conclusion that the best way out is to be neutral towards Stan in the game and avoid him as much as possible. Away from dangerous drama, because I remember that in GGGB Ashley could die before the end of the game.

That's how Lena has interacted with Stan in my game -- she was polite with him early on and invited him to exhibition. But when he started to display incel vibes right afterwards she promptly stopped him (making earlier mistake with Ed has helped in this regard, in the sense it was a lesson well learnt) and then avoided to pick sides in his fights with Louise. So they're acquaintances, he's grateful Lena is paying her rent, but things don't develop into any awkward territory.

Of course, if someone plays the game specifically for maximum drama then incel Stan is a just perfect toy to play with. :v

 

[Hakunak]

I wish endings of the stan or ed route was a wedding with pregnant lena

 

[ffive]

I wish endings of the stan or ed route was a wedding with pregnant lena

Ed isn't getting any content, much less a route.

And Stan would need to learn not to blow his load immediately in order to make anyone pregnant.

 

[Hakunak]

Ed isn't getting any content, much less a route.

And Stan would need to learn not to blow his load immediately in order to make anyone pregnant.

Yes, I know. just wish

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Well, we agree about Robert too, the guy got zero personality and if was 60 pounds heavier he would probably be a Stan too.

Yeah, Robert is typical wannabe-alpha, although in reality he is a loser and shows this by his frustrated behavior when he is refused.

That's how Lena has interacted with Stan in my game -- she was polite with him early on and invited him to exhibition. But when he started to display incel vibes right afterwards she promptly stopped him (making earlier mistake with Ed has helped in this regard, in the sense it was a lesson well learnt) and then avoided to pick sides in his fights with Louise. So they're acquaintances, he's grateful Lena is paying her rent, but things don't develop into any awkward territory.

Of course, if someone plays the game specifically for maximum drama then incel Stan is a just perfect toy to play with. :v

At least Ed isn't as creepy as Stan. Just an aging man who missed his youth and seeing a hot girl in him wakes up male instincts. Ed is harmless, I'm not sure about Stan.

 

[xgrotesc]

That still makes the impressions a few months old, and that's generously presuming people didn't just hold down Ctrl to skip through bits they've already played in the previous iteration.

I understand your point, but from my personal experience, since the game had new dialogue and new scenes I played all of it without skipping anything to actually understand what were the changes to the story.

I have severe doubts whether this is something that ever can be "well developed" and it hinges more on the player's initial impression of the character than anything -- case in point, Being a DIK has devoted entire episode to establish importance of "returning ex". It didn't stop some people from loudly and repeatedly declaring how they just don't care about the character because they've already settled on some other option.

(then, when the said ex actually showed up and could be interacted with it turned out that, surprise surprise, some of these people found their lack of interest highly premature)

I recently played the new update of BaDIK and I understand once again your point, but that's not the comparison I was trying to make. If you read through my "rant", you can actually see I'm not against Gillian being introduced into the cast, I just don't feel like at this point it added that much, specially with the way it was handled. And once again if you read through it I do explain how I feel it could've been handled by giving 2 different examples. Obviously you and others are free to disagree with my opinion and it's all fun and games. But do understand that I'm not just coming around with the usual negative attitude that can be found throughout all forums in the internet and saying "this is all bullcrap, boohoo, burn the witch", but actually trying to provide constructive criticism on something I wasn't particularly pleased with, while also supplying some insight on how I believe it could've been done differently and make things better, from my particular point of view. But if you and others don't agree with this and feel like the way it was handled it's actually good enough and fits the story timing, then so be it, we just have to agree to disagree on this matter.

 

[lipe2410]

I hope this is going to be threesomeS, because how the heck am i supposed to pick between Holly, Ivy and Louise.

Just turn into a fivesome and call it a day