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Oh. The content for the most part is definitely already there (or will be) and I'm not disputing that it could happen easily with a few modifications, a few lines of code, a few dialogue modifications in each chapter to facilitate the path... Just like a large plethora of other situations where a few tweaks would make a path happen that a player wants. There-in lies the problem from a development standpoint, since that work adds up on a game with an already slow release schedule. We're already seeing Eva narrow down the focus and block off some other potentially easy alternate paths to feature, due to just that. So that's where my doubt comes in. Eva is likely in the position where she has to pick and choose just enough path outlines to please each general player preference without offering a wider variety of options for each (except for her pet favorites), due to development time. All these easily-implemented alternate paths could potentially be handled at the end, either by Eva or a fan with some spare hours to mod them. Not that I'd be at all against her developing this specific alternate path each update as the Holly-Trinity scenario develops. Could be fun. I'm just in doubt it'll happen right now, given the circumstances.
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Yeah, the “close to impossible” was meant for the possibility of anything romantically happening between them (and it might’ve been a too strong a way of wording it either way). I agree Holly’s comment is one of the things hinting at a possible change in the future. And while Lena (understandably) is irrational about it, Cherry seems very genuinely remorseful and intent on making sure she’s not making things uncomfortable for her again. So yeah, if they ever sit down and talk it through (which I assume they will), there’s a good chance Lena could at least see Cherry’s point of view—and realise that their situation has similarities in how they’ve been blinded by their infatuation with Axel and letting him manipulate them. And that she herself isn’t a saint either, of course. They’re canonically getting gradually more tied to the same group of friends, and it’s in everyone’s interest that they sooner or later find a way to deal with that.
Still, there’s a long way from that to anything sexual/romantical happening between them (which was what I meant by “content”, by the way), and I assume it would take a certain amount of time for it to be anything close to possible, with several story beats needed to gradually make it more believable. But hey, I wouldn’t have brought it up if I thought it was completely unlikely!
I don't think there's really anything irrational about Lena being pissed off at Cherry for sleeping with her boyfriend behind her back and then getting into a threesome with her and Axel pretending this is all new to her. Regardless of Cherry's reasons.
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Well, it's obviously not irrational in the sense that you'd expect her to react in any other way. But it's irrational in the literal sense that her assessment of everything about it is controlled by her emotions, rather than having a logical, rational look at it. As a coping mechanism I have no doubts it's better for Lena to pass a black and white judgement of Cherry after what happened (I don't think I'd be interested in anything else myself), but it also prevents her from acknowledging how Cherry seems to feel really bad about what happened, and is constantly on her toes to make sure she doesn't bother Lena again. That very emotional reaction is presumably why Holly implies they should have a talk about it, and why Lena several times jumps to conclusions when she crosses path with Cherry again, e.g. when they meet at Ian's place and when she sees her with Axel outside Blazer.
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Holly forces herself in both of MCs storylines,theres nothing nice or organic about her.
If Stan is a nice creep Holly is a nice creep too,simple as.
Well, this is actually what i disagree with -- being angry at Cherry for her action is logical and rational. Cherry herself acknowledges she has hurt Lena and in fact this is why she (allegedly) feels remorse in the first place.
Additionally, since Cherry has already shown herself to be a bare faced liar when dealing with Lena, and someone who had little regard for Lena's feelings, there's no rational reason for Lena to believe Cherry is being genuine about her regrets, or about justifications she provides. As such, treating Cherry and her actions with suspicion, as opposed to trusting her blindly despite the evidence to the contrary, is warranted.
Holly doesn't force herself anywhere. Both MCs initiate/seek contact with her themselves. If Holly makes a move, it's based on how the MCs have interacted with her and influenced her behavior.
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Now that I've mostly played through the game for the third time now (waiting for the final version of Chapter 11 before replaying that), and since people are chatting about Ivy...
I've grown to appreciate Ivy as a chaos agent. An instigator. A shit starter, if you will. The kind of person that you're glad you know, because they keep life interesting, but you hope you don't know too many of them. She plays that role for Lena as the protagonist (Jeremy and Perry split that role for Ian).
She's not perfect. She's perceptive and driven, but self-centered and inconsiderate. I also think she's making some strategic mistakes with her choices. Like doing erotic material online (Stalkfap) and then trying to join a high-end model brand (Wildcats), which is a transition that rarely happens in that order. But that combo of perceptive, driven, and inconsiderate makes for great fun. She is also humanized by the fact that she at least somewhat cares for Lena (from the prism of her own outlook and values, I don't think Ivy does empathy and perspective-taking).
I've grown to appreciate Ivy as a chaos agent. An instigator. A shit starter, if you will. The kind of person that you're glad you know, because they keep life interesting, but you hope you don't know too many of them. She plays that role for Lena as the protagonist (Jeremy and Perry split that role for Ian).
She's not perfect. She's perceptive and driven, but self-centered and inconsiderate. I also think she's making some strategic mistakes with her choices. Like doing erotic material online (Stalkfap) and then trying to join a high-end model brand (Wildcats), which is a transition that rarely happens in that order. But that combo of perceptive, driven, and inconsiderate makes for great fun. She is also humanized by the fact that she at least somewhat cares for Lena (from the prism of her own outlook and values, I don't think Ivy does empathy and perspective-taking).
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FFS. Some pople try to have a meal here! Be consideratePole dancing Stan
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Feels like a potential satire headline (e.g., the Onion). "Uninvited timid introvert keeps shyly crashing parties."
Holly has a crush on Ian, but only ever makes a move if he goes on a trip with her and compliments her. Lena she befriends, but only from Lena's advances. She only makes a move if Lena is attracted to Holly (lena_go_holly).
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nobody on the left even likes stalin LUL he was a mass murderer and a authoritarian that just used the left to get power because maxism got popularity at that time frame and they RIGGED it this morons!!!! are litterly the reason humanity is doomed and will go exstinct GREAT JOBB WOOOOWW
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No one knows if you don't bother to explain what made it "shit" to you.
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Another "Stan update". Stan received an unexpected addition to his storyline, which at the same time became the ending of his route.
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So, I've been coming around to this view too, partly from posts by SerHawkes and partly from taking a longer view over all chapters so far. SerHawkes calls Ivy a "suggestor of suggestions" and that seems a great description of her, and your idea of "perceptive, driven, and inconsiderate" also hits the nail on the head. As you say, she's a chaos agent. But she's not coming from a place of being evil or manipulative in order to hurt people (which is what I initially thought). She's her own person and that's great, but she also kinda thinks everybody else should be more like her, which is less great.
From her own perspective she's a good friend to Lena and to Holly - and sometimes she really can be! - but it's also that she wants them to see life from her viewpoint and accept her ideas of what's important, fun, etc. She puts up with Louise, who makes no secret of hating her, and has no real issue with Lena living with Louise or being her friend. But also Ivy doesn't hesitate to mock Louise to Lena, or stir up problems between Louise and Jeremy in her (delightfully) bitchy way. And she may be too driven for her own good; we'll see what happens with the Wildcats storyline, which if you think about it is the only thing Ivy really wants for herself.