VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[bauman]

Very much this!
I am a hobby writer so I know quite a bit about creating stories. While you should listen to what your fans have to say, you also have to stay true to your vision of the story you want to tell! It is one thing to include fan ideas you feel will fit the story quite well. But the moment you include stuff you are not convinced off, just because the fans are making a ruckus, you have lost! It won´t be your story anymore, it will loose cohesion and focus, because you put something in you would not have done so otherwise.

And in ORS we can see this quite well, you already gave some examples. I could add things like "Cindy here and there", one of the most uninteresting characters in the whole game getting so much screentime, just because of some loud fans. And don´t get me started on the "cucking Ian everywhere" thing!
I nearly rage-quitted a playthrough when after the Ian-Alison-Jeremy threesome, where Ian performed really well, you just get a neutral and a cuck option when Ian and Alison talk about the threesome later. Glaringly absent is a positive option (even if several scenes later you and Alison can decide to have a threesome again, which at least mitigates it a bit), which is sub-optimal at best, but is so because EK was bowing to the loudmouths.

Let's not pretend it's mostly the fans' fault. The initial idea for ORS was 'GGGB with a stronger emotional connection between the player and the experience.' It was an overambitious project from the get-go. Remember when Eva Kiss thought a bi-monthly update schedule was possible? Simply put, there were many duds along the way. Some were thanks to screeching from Patreon supporters, but most were miscalculations by the dev, the fruit of a hectic development process.

The project didn't find its identity because the dev was unsure where to take it, thanks to the limited pre-planning and doing the bulk of the writing on the go. The multiple re-writes, remasters, etc., confirmed it. It took its toll on the overall storytelling and the characters, too. The best example is Robert, the male NPC with the most sex scenes. It's still hilarious that so much time and effort went to such a nothing character that can get cut completely, and the story won't skip a beat. His continued presence alone proves that polls and fans' opinions influence Eva Kiss only to a certain degree.

Despite the problems, I think ORS can get a proper and satisfactory conclusion. It's not a project doomed to fail, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I guess it's to streamline things, but I do wish Eva included the option for no sex route without railroading Ian into cuckoldry. Its a minor difference, but I'd prefer they be separate with the player option to combine the routes.

I guess there are really three separate groups here. Femdom, Nympho-wife/cheating(or talking about being a slut), sex denial. All mashed into one, to the benefit of no-one but the most extreme fetishists who like all three. I'd personally put the sex denial more in the femdom category (where Lena enjoys "cruelty" + likes that Ian is "obedient") as I don't like either, but maybe that's just me. Also, unless Lena is a chaste "good girl", the sex denial just seems on par with femdom. But it sounds like you separate those two yourself?

Either way, I'm no longer interested in the path at all if it's mashing femdom and sex denial into it again, veering back into GGGB territory. But that's how it goes. We can't all have our cookie.

 

[Swooosh]

I haven’t checked the flags yet but I assume if Lena is in a relationship which Ian then she can’t get the Jeremy scene right? Weird how she can cheat with like three other dudes at this point but Jeremy is off limits in this specific route.

Hey, is this confirmed? I can't get the Jeremy scene

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Let's not pretend it's mostly the fans' fault. The initial idea for ORS was 'GGGB with a stronger emotional connection between the player and the experience.' It was an overambitious project from the get-go. Remember when Eva Kiss thought a bi-monthly update schedule was possible? Simply put, there were many duds along the way. Some were thanks to screeching from Patreon supporters, but most were miscalculations by the dev, the fruit of a hectic development process.

The project didn't find its identity because the dev was unsure where to take it, thanks to the limited pre-planning and doing the bulk of the writing on the go. The multiple re-writes, remasters, etc., confirmed it. It took its toll on the overall storytelling and the characters, too. The best example is Robert, the male NPC with the most sex scenes. It's still hilarious that so much time and effort went to such a nothing character that can get cut completely, and the story won't skip a beat. His continued presence alone proves that polls and fans' opinions influence Eva Kiss only to a certain degree.

Despite the problems, I think ORS can get a proper and satisfactory conclusion. It's not a project doomed to fail, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high.

Good summary.

 

[Swooosh]

Fantastic update btw! I hope to see more in the cuckold Ian route!

 

[camube]

What is the outcome of Ivy/Jeremy anyway if you respond neutrally with both Ian and Lena? Do they get it on?

To be honest it surprises me a bit that it's made out to be such a big deal. Ivy proclaims the wonders of casual sex to Holly and throws her at randos but orbits around Jeremy as if there is some kind of risk to banging him. I used to wonder if perhaps there will be a romance sub-plot after they'd bang, y'know, they'd catch feelings for each other all of a sudden, but it's taken so long by now to even get past that point.

it looks like Ivy is interested in casual sex with guys that doesn't simp Ivy or benefit Ivy in some ways. Both Billy and Mike fits this category, Jeremy has nothing to offer.

 

[BlandChili]

it looks like Ivy is interested in casual sex with guys that doesn't simp Ivy or benefit Ivy in some ways. Both Billy and Mike fits this category, Jeremy has nothing to offer.

Sure, and like you say that's basically the point of Billy. How does Mike figure though? He has the same role to her as Jeremy after all, sharing a work space with her.

 

[yuvce]

What is the outcome of Ivy/Jeremy anyway if you respond neutrally with both Ian and Lena? Do they get it on?

To be honest it surprises me a bit that it's made out to be such a big deal. Ivy proclaims the wonders of casual sex to Holly and throws her at randos but orbits around Jeremy as if there is some kind of risk to banging him. I used to wonder if perhaps there will be a romance sub-plot after they'd bang, y'know, they'd catch feelings for each other all of a sudden, but it's taken so long by now to even get past that point.

Ivy won't indulge that dumbass unless both Ian and Lena vouch for him. In which case... why are you vouching for that idiot? I don't think it'll happen if you stay neutral or chat shit about him. Whatever miniscule amount of hope the motherfucker had left, went up in smokes when he said "but Louise thinks she's my girlfriend."

 

[| Vee |]

I'm not writing this to trigger anyone but simply questioning Dev as I'm concerned about ORS not being able to achieve it's potential.

I said it after the release of CH11 but after the release of Epilogue and how EK throws us Jack scene + Marcel + trash character getting buncha content(Robert) + Stan reworked, I would say I stand correct about "EK is trying to salvage what's left of ORS". It's pretty saddening in which direction this is going and EK knows it all, she ain't no child in this. She is eating out of her patron's hands and vice versa. I along buncha other's already said before "It has become fetish-driven" and Epilogue proved it true. I have already given up on this. Only CH12 is last hope after that I shall gather my belongings and evacuate the premises immediately bcz it's hopeless after the stunt EK pulled in epilogue. This epilogue burried ORS in grave in terms of story. I don't care how much you liked EK for her previous game, the truth is ORS is not GGGB or it's sequel than WHY THE HELL GGGB's CHARACTER ARE POPPING IN THIS. Is EK admitting that she is not capable of writing a good story, new character's, and is she just a fetish-driven writer? Is she still in writer's block and that's why she is using these tactics?

I was defending EK before CH11 as I was hoping but after this epilogue someone has to shake EK to woke her up from her slumber.

Someone pass it to Eva Kiss and tell her to stick to her vision of ORS not her patron's, don't put them on pedestal bcz by doing this you are only restricting ORS to reach it's potential. You are a great writer that's why I love playing your game despite the fact that I don't play FMC games just bcz of your story writing but you are just wasting your potential by doing these thing's. And you know exactly what you are doing and why you are doing it. Please be true to your vision, we want the story YOU wanted to tell not your Patron's Hope you take this seriously and not as an insult!

 

[ffive]

Sure, and like you say that's basically the point of Billy. How does Mike figure though? He has the same role to her as Jeremy after all, sharing a work space with her.

I suspect Ivy would've hooked up with Jeremy long ago if it wasn't for the drama with Louise and how he wouldn't take Ivy's side in it. So yes, Jeremy and Mike are quite similar in this regard, but Mike didn't sour the prospect early on, the way Jeremy did.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I found also this on the gallery code:

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And this on the cuck Ian part:

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Maybe it's just another recycled scene with another "skin" so it wouldn't involve that much extra work I guess. And probably it's a one time thing just to make slutty Lena more slutty and provide extra fan service for the OG crowd, so it wouldn't really affect the plot in any meaningful way. Just trying to see the glass half full, who knows.

I've just remembered that in addition to Eli, Lena can also get the instagram of a random guy (John?) to meet "for a coffee". So maybe the glass is more empty..

Another guess on recycling old characters: I'm sure Eva already has plenty of unused optimal reference photos for characters that she didn't use in the previous game. So this would cut down the work of finding the right models with enough clothed and crude photos for tracing. I've previously looked into doing a tracing style myself and finding the right content can actually be a lot of work too.

 

[-DarkHorizon-]

Generally, I've liked this epilogue.

There was more content than expected even. I really liked the Lena+Emma shopping trip and the litte tease we got, which could lead to a great threesome with Ian, or Jeremy, or even all of them hooking up in a foursome. The dress and bikini options are really hot(wonder how the white bikini fares with water...)

Stan is hiring a personal trainer and trying to get in shape after Lena told him to in my playthrough. Could be an interesting transformation. (Small bug: Lena comments on his clothes, but he's still wearing his everyday stuff).

Now the bartending night, I've liked the small scene we got with Jeremy. Lena mentioning that she may post pictures of that on her Stalkfap has some interesting implications, if Ian is a subscriber and has seen that dick with Allison and/or Emma previously.

Mark now may also update Lena directly on Hollys corruption which is nice and Robert has her number now (I may need to start a save where Lena still keeps him around to see if there are gonna be threesomes).

Ivy and Jeremy are banging real soon if both Ian and Lena give their approval.

Don't care about the Cindy and Axel drama.

What I didn't like:
Marcel. He got kinda wasted here, personality-wise. I wanted to see more of him, but hoped he'd be more than Bubba 2.0.
A guy with more depth. Maybe circumventing expectations by making him a romantic softy at heart, who likes to read books in his free time (and a potential LI for a pure/not fully corrupted Holly later on). Wasted opportunity.

Jack. Felt like a completely redundant cameo so far. I understand Eva not wanting to bring in Tyrone (bbc overload) but maybe Hugo would have been a better choice in regard to GGGB endings.

Ian/Lena pathing. In my original playthrough, I'm pushing for them to be in a stag & vixen relationship, where Ian likes seeing Lena fucked but is not humiliated or denied. Some teasing is good (especially if it goes both ways with Ian also sleeping around) but right now it's railroading into Sub or Dom with no middle ground or switch. Previous scenes where executed a bit better in that regard.
I hope that it doesn't end with full Cuck-Ian, because that would also feel disconnected from his other scenes if he fucks Allison, Emma, etc.

 

[ffive]

but right now it's railroading into Sub or Dom with no middle ground or switch.

There's actually some potential role switching in this episode's scene -- it starts with Lena being dominant (if she has tried this with Ian earlier) but if Ian's dominance/chad variable(s) are high enough he turns tables on her after a while.

 

[-DarkHorizon-]

There's actually some potential role switching in this episode's scene -- it starts with Lena being dominant (if she has tried this with Ian earlier) but if Ian's dominance/chad variable(s) are high enough he turns tables on her after a while.

I also got this scene, but Ian is always dominant in this one(if his chad points are high) or full cuck if those points are high.

What I meant was some kind of middle ground, like the one scene where Ian ate her out and the player could decide between fucking or denying him, or the stalkfap fotoshoot where you can also influence the scene like that. I'd like the choice to remain with the player.

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

There is no light at the end of the tunnel, EK's patrons for some reason is infatuated with BBCs just like Lena.

Lowkey I was also disappointed that Marcel was like that. I was hoping he was a cultured guy who likes to read and get along with Holly through books.

 

[Birdnman993]

My impressions of the epilogue:
It was very entertaining watching Lena deal with her day to day life, Lena and Emma's outing and Emma deepening their new friendship left us with some sexy and funny moments and allowed us to apparently guide Emma to be more aware of her appearance to be more daring and to stop looking for garbage clothes for Jesus christ, and knowing Lena's charm maybe result in some casual sex between her, in my main game Emma has already had her encounters with Ian and Jeremy so I guess Lena will be the final hammer to corrupt her.

In the meantime, it's good to see that being wants to improve both personally and professionally with what I'll be willing to help and that I can benefit from this accordingly. Now the best part of the epilogue Lena's first night working as a bartender, starting with the option to slut Jeremy's efforts at getting into Ivy's knickers makes this the part I enjoy the most, I just hope in the future Lena can rub Jeremy's face in everything we can do to Louise, that will be the most cathartic moment of the game if it happens along with the tournament, and before talking about Axel and Cindy a mention of Robert who had his appearance as pathetic as ever, drunk looking for yisus fight, if he didn't want Lena to be a big slut he wouldn't let her sleep with him and then dump him.

Cindy is a character I like and empathize with for not knowing what she is passionate about and wanting to have more than just a comfortable life, but her childish attitude and thinking she is a professional model overnight is a pretty stupid aptitude plus not listening to warnings that Axel is not a legit guy, her as a Louise 2. 0 we can only get the popcorn ready and watch her crash, as for Axel almost the same as Cindy his attempts to mess with Lena are so obvious it's pitiful, because my Lena may be a big bitch, but she's not stupid.

Now what I liked the least were more cameos, and the worst was to bring jack as arrogant as always ruining the ending where he taught her a little humility, I think the cameos got out of control, in itself the cameos are not bad, but when you are taking space to new characters that's where the problems appear and the plot is unfocused, and now that they are with the fetishes and it seems they will not put a stop to this I wonder if they will bring Jasmine to cross out the trans of pending fetishes.

 

[raja28]

Mac link please

 

[camube]

Someone pass it to Eva Kiss and tell her to stick to her vision of ORS not her patron's, don't put them on pedestal bcz by doing this you are only restricting ORS to reach it's potential. You are a great writer that's why I love playing your game despite the fact that I don't play FMC games just bcz of your story writing but you are just wasting your potential by doing these thing's. And you know exactly what you are doing and why you are doing it. Please be true to your vision, we want the story YOU wanted to tell not your Patron's Hope you take this seriously and not as an insult!

just pay $5 for her patreon and dm her

 

[Slick Bean]

The thing is, by this time, the game has been all about Lena day to day life,
with her very interesting and absolutely social media army of fans worthy hobbies,
her evident chops at writing and performing music, her divine body ...

It was very entertaining watching Lena deal with her day to day life

Why make her steal Jeremy thunder in the club? Why make her become the next toy for club VIP cameos?
Remember that Jeremy had girls lapping his body up like infatuated virgins?
How impotent do you have to make Lena for her to simp about any other VIP asshat thrown into the club???
Practically every cameo acts and talks exactly like Axxel - absolutely disgusting subhuman garbage.

Seeing Lena finally manage to put a stop to such abusive toxxic degrading relations all throughout the game,
only to have her become just another mouth hole for evident loosers to use is a disgrace to this game.

Sure, enjoy this decadent deconstruction of all that ever made Lena fabulous.

In the meantime, it's good to see that being wants to improve both personally and professionally with what I'll be willing to help and that I can benefit from this accordingly

Lena has come to terms with her inner most beautiful self through her magically attractive hobbies:
writing poetry, playing the guitar, writing and singing vocals with guitar music.

She is the total package - tailor swift/milei cirus would eat their heart out for becoming such talented as Lena.

How annoying is it to see players simp for a bartender life style Jeremy has been living all throughout the game?
There is nothing interesting about being a whore some VIP assholes EXPECT HER TO SERVICE THEM IN THE WC/VIP.
We already got the manwhore Jeremy living that life style, no need to turn Lena into a mindless cock sleeve.
Alas, enjoy your game.

Cindy is a character I like and empathize with for not knowing what she is passionate about and wanting to have more than just a comfortable life, but her childish attitude and thinking she is a professional model overnight is a pretty stupid aptitude plus not listening to warnings that Axel is not a legit guy, her as a Louise 2

Cindy is loving the club night life, every so often wanting to go have at it with Ian.
That is a very much alive and human socially accepted hobby and a respected pass time.
What do you mean she is misguided? She knows what she like, she likes clubbing.

On the other hand, she does not know anything about courtship or human relations,
so she will be taken advantage of all throughout the game. You can mend her with your player choices.
There is no need to have her be abused by every asshole the game throws at her. Be brave!

Now what I liked the least were more cameos

The cast is already huge as it is, those scare encounters with even more Axxels or Jeremies are uncalled for.
Pitty once you get Lena outta the woods, you get to steer her back into sex object life style with those asshats.

 

[JoJoPool]

Hugo isn't a party dude and Tyrone would enrage the anti BBC brigande entirely, considering we already have Jeremy and Marcel in the epilogue.

At this point you think Eva cares about that ? If she did then why did she force a scene with Marcel ?? That one had zero build up and was so out of nowhere i thought it was a prank...
Let's face it, what we saw in the epilogue is simply the effects of the polls on the game.