VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[lucadiadis]

I am re-watching Cindy and Ian's first intercourse....EK writes: "Someone once said that the only way to avoid temptation is to fall prey to it".
If anyone has access to EK, please pass this message on:
Eva, I love you, in spite of all the frustrations you have been leaving me with since ORS.
But when you cite f.cking Orscar Wilde, please do not f.cking refer to him as f.cking "someone".
I do not give a f.cking f.ck if you refer to José-Maria or Ignacio Cano as f.cking "someone", but if you cite f.cking Oscar wilde, you just write down "Oscar f.cking Wilde".
Muchas Gracias. Muchas rocas. Sin embargo te quiero.

 

[Birdnman993]

People misunderstood Seymour, he is definitely a good guy helping Lena and Ian like that.
I think most people are just biased against rich people for no reason. Like they say: "Capitalism is god's way of determining who is smart, and who is poor".

I think you are skipping the dialogues or you are playing a different game, because it is frequently mentioned how capital, in order to amass more fortune than it already has, is willing to destroy smaller businesses such as the cafeteria and the fortress, in addition to the real estate crisis that they portray in the game making it increasingly difficult to have a roof over their heads.

Don't get me wrong, I hate communism and socialism, but capitalism is far from perfect, so you have to have a critical eye on everything to be able to point out the problems in today's society and build a better future.

 

[Roderick2]

the extra scene witj Jack was only a conversation? That's it?

 

[dolfe67]

the extra scene witj Jack was only a conversation? That's it?

No there's also a sex scene if you're not on Axel path

 

[Roderick2]

No there's also a sex scene if you're not on Axel path

dammit! So, I had to stop his advances all the way back?

 

[Xupuzulla]

About Cindy,if shes still one of your main girls after that epilogue any dissapoinment you get in the future is on you.
Is not too late to hop on to a better love story,the Alison route.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Is not too late to hop on to a better love story,the Alison route.

 

[Socrambus]

Also, if Eva makes Cindy cheat on a fully dedicated and massively chad Ian that gives her everything she wants... Well, I wouldnt be "surprised" given the amount of kinks already in the game and the various different people we see here saying that "a cheater will always cheat no matter what"...

That's absolutely false, a lot of people would be surprised if they knew how many people on long relationships have cheated in a past relationship in some kind of way. Specially if you don't reduce cheating to just having sex. We use cheating to describe a variety of situations that can be very different. Cheating is bad, don't get me wrong, but it's not the same cheating on your partner with someone who is going to be your next relationship than cheating on your partner with several people without any intention of breaking up your relationship.

The Cindy/Ian situation, assuming the path where love is the motivation and not just lust, is technically wrong. But the difference between their situation and them waiting for Cindy to break up with Wade before fucking it's not really that big IMO.

 

[jduk]

Seriously Ian won't have sexual interactions with Gillian only cuck stuff, he cums just thinking her getting fucked around like he never could/can fuck her.

 

[Bishop Robert]

I'll use GGGB as an example. I was ok with Ash doing coke, until she became addicted, because I'm not a fan of drug addiction. I know that sounds like I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too, but I find the fantasy of drug use far more thrilling than the realities of addiction. I dated a girl that became addicted to pain killers, she started getting into self harm so that she could get doctors to prescribe her more medicene. Addiction is not a fun reality, and for me it's not a fun fantasy explicitly because of how close it touches reality for me. Ash / Lena doing drugs to have a more fun at a party, fun times. Ash / Lena getting addicted to drugs and knowing how life ruining that is, not fun times.

So once I know where the line of addiction is for Lena, I won't cross it. In all of my many playthroughs of GGGB Ash only got addicted the first time.

I never really understood the appeal of these possibilities in these types of games it actually takes me out a bit, like I never was into the scenes of Ash in GGGB where she's with the gangsters and she's hooked on drugs I just feel uncomfortable watching it.

 

[| Vee |]

...Cheating is bad, don't get me wrong, but it's not the same cheating on your partner with someone who is going to be your next relationship than cheating on your partner with several people without any intention of breaking up your relationship...

Alright I'm sorry I've to indulge into this deep argument but I can't help myself to do healthy debate. I'll try to keep things short.
The purpose of cheating do not justify cheating at any cost. I know there is a thin line but cheating on your partner with someone who is going to be your next relationship than cheating on your partner with several people without any intention of breaking up your relationship IS ALWAYS SAME. END RESULT CHEATING! If you want to change partners, is it necessary to cheat? Why not discuss things with your current partner and breakup by CUMMUNITCATING instead of indulging in this act. I'm absolutely against any type of cheating (unless that is kink or fetish of someone but other one should be aware before indulging in this kinda act and keyword is Communication). Now these things fall into categories of cheating which you mentioned and which you didn't mentioned. Cheating is the most disgusting thing that you can do to your partner who put his/her/anything in-between faith, trust, belief, who values you, who is through your happiness/sadness and all other kinda times. There are temptation's and your partner is right besides you to overcome his/her/anything in-between temptations and help you too so that you both don't fall into compulsion. Desire and temptations are bearable and not bad as it is human nature BUT COMPULSION NOT. And cheating is a sort of compulsion.

 

[starkj]

I'm fine with cheating/ntr in most games because they are not real and even then it hurts a little when i make that decision but in real life, if you cheat on your partner who really loves you and does a lot for you, then you are basically scum and you dont value other people's feelings at all.

 

[Socrambus]

Alright I'm sorry I've to indulge into this deep argument but I can't help myself to do healthy debate. I'll try to keep things short.
The purpose of cheating do not justify cheating at any cost. I know there is a thin line but cheating on your partner with someone who is going to be your next relationship than cheating on your partner with several people without any intention of breaking up your relationship IS ALWAYS SAME. END RESULT CHEATING! If you want to change partners, is it necessary to cheat? Why not discuss things with your current partner and breakup by CUMMUNITCATING instead of indulging in this act. I'm absolutely against any type of cheating (unless that is kink or fetish of someone but other one should be aware before indulging in this kinda act and keyword is Communication). Now these things fall into categories of cheating which you mentioned and which you didn't mentioned. Cheating is the most disgusting thing that you can do to your partner who put his/her/anything in-between faith, trust, belief, who values you, who is through your happiness/sadness and all other kinda times. There are temptation's and your partner is right besides you to overcome his/her/anything in-between temptations and help you too so that you both don't fall into compulsion. Desire and temptations are bearable and not bad as it is human nature BUT COMPULSION NOT. And cheating is a sort of compulsion.

Ok, let me start by saying that I've never been cheated on (as far as I know) neither have I ever cheated on the context of a monogamous boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. So I apologize in advance if my opinion feels thoughtless to those of you who might have been hurt by cheating, that's not my intent.

I don't think cheating is justified, it's wrong. My point is that not all kinds of cheating are equally wrong. Human relationships are complex and sometimes the end of a relationship kind of blends into the start of another one. That's specially true for people afraid of being alone (not my case), they might find very difficult to end a relationship without the prospect of a new one. That prospect new relationship meaning there has already been sex with the new person or not, I consider it cheating anyway and don't think that the sex makes such a big difference (which was my point for the Ian/Cindy thing). Also the soon to be ex it's going to be hurt by the ending of the relationship and (probably) the start of the new one wether there was sex before the breakup (assuming they are aware, it they don't it's kind of a victimless crime) or not.

So yes, cheating is a bad thing, but just as many other bad things we somethimes do during our lifes, it doesn't mean that we are going to do them again in different circunstances. Just as someone never cheating on the past, doesn't mean they will never cheat in any possible future situation.

 

[lorkdubo]

Ok, let me start by saying that I've never been cheated on (as far as I know) neither have I ever cheated on the context of a monogamous boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. So I apologize in advance if my opinion feels thoughtless to those of you who might have been hurt by cheating, that's not my intent.

I don't think cheating is justified, it's wrong. My point is that not all kinds of cheating are equally wrong. Human relationships are complex and sometimes the end of a relationship kind of blends into the start of another one. That's specially true for people afraid of being alone (not my case), they might find very difficult to end a relationship without the prospect of a new one. That prospect new relationship meaning there has already been sex with the new person or not, I consider it cheating anyway and don't think that the sex makes such a big difference (which was my point for the Ian/Cindy thing). Also the soon to be ex it's going to be hurt by the ending of the relationship and (probably) the start of the new one wether there was sex before the breakup (assuming they are aware, it they don't it's kind of a victimless crime) or not.

So yes, cheating is a bad thing, but just as many other bad things we somethimes do during our lifes, it doesn't mean that we are going to do them again in different circunstances. Just as someone never cheating on the past, doesn't mean they will never cheat in any possible future situation.

I kinda see the angle you are going for. There can be an emotional connection with someone even if you are in a bad relationship or a bad marriage. That one thing that helps you breathe a little easier in the person with the bad relationship/marriage. The problem there lies in deceiving or breaking of trust, if there is no need for deceiving or there is no trust in the relationship and the relationship is irrecoverable, and just waiting for it to end. Then we don't consider that cheating.
But, we can consider Ian/Gillian was not this case.

 

[| Vee |]

Ok, let me start by saying that I've never been cheated on (as far as I know) neither have I ever cheated on the context of a monogamous boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. So I apologize in advance if my opinion feels thoughtless to those of you who might have been hurt by cheating, that's not my intent.

I don't think cheating is justified, it's wrong. My point is that not all kinds of cheating are equally wrong. Human relationships are complex and sometimes the end of a relationship kind of blends into the start of another one. That's specially true for people afraid of being alone (not my case), they might find very difficult to end a relationship without the prospect of a new one. That prospect new relationship meaning there has already been sex with the new person or not, I consider it cheating anyway and don't think that the sex makes such a big difference (which was my point for the Ian/Cindy thing). Also the soon to be ex it's going to be hurt by the ending of the relationship and (probably) the start of the new one wether there was sex before the breakup (assuming they are aware, it they don't it's kind of a victimless crime) or not.

So yes, cheating is a bad thing, but just as many other bad things we somethimes do during our lifes, it doesn't mean that we are going to do them again in different circunstances. Just as someone never cheating on the past, doesn't mean they will never cheat in any possible future situation.

I know bud that you don't appreciate cheating too as you said it in previous post and Absolutely we are not hurt by your any opinion as you choose words carefully. I'm glad that we understand eachother. And I do agree with "that not all kinds of cheating are equally wrong" but I would extend it further to keep transparency "that not all kinds of cheating is equally wrong but every kind of cheating is wrong". Using your previous example of "cheating on your partner with someone who is going to be your next relationship than cheating on your partner with several people without any intention of breaking up your relationship" the latter scenario of continuously cheating with the intention of never leaving is more wrong as the said person is breaking/exploiting the trust and humiliating the bond between his/her/anything in-between partner over and over. As humans are complex creatures and I remember reading summary of a research in which some people said that physical infidelity is unforgivable, some said emotional infidelity is more wrong, and some said both while some were saying that both do not matter. That's why I mentioned that communication is the key.

It's all just for healthy discussion. Peace!

 

[Socrambus]

I kinda see the angle you are going for. There can be an emotional connection with someone even if you are in a bad relationship or a bad marriage. That one thing that helps you breathe a little easier in the person with the bad relationship/marriage. The problem there lies in deceiving or breaking of trust, if there is no need for deceiving or there is no trust in the relationship and the relationship is irrecoverable, and just waiting for it to end. Then we don't consider that cheating.
But, we can consider Ian/Gillian was not this case.

I might be forgetting it but I don't think we are told why Gillian cheated on Ian instead of breaking up before or just continuing the relationship without any cheating, so I'm not sure what was exactly the case besides Ian loving her very much. Gilliam admits her blame and thinks of the cheating as a mistake, that in addition to her still being in a relationship with the same guy she cheated on Ian makes it difficult for me to think of her as a bad person or a whore who will cheat again on whoever that guy is.

 

[yuvce]

Is not too late to hop on to a better love story,the Alison route.

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[dontcarewhateverno]

I'm fine with cheating/ntr in most games because they are not real and even then it hurts a little when i make that decision but in real life, if you cheat on your partner who really loves you and does a lot for you, then you are basically scum and you dont value other people's feelings at all.

Same. I actually prefer certain types of NTR in many games. Real life is an absolutely different story. Part of the reason for games/porn is the fantasy & playing out things you wouldn't normally do or approve of.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Considering that the majority of Patreon subscribers are BBC addicts, have a cuck fetish and still consider Cindy to be the best girl in the game, I think it's crazy to think that there will be a way for Cindy to be faithful. Tyrone might even be in that yatch and have an affair with her lol

Nah... I don't thing Eva would ever do something like th- [Chapter 12 happens]..
"Hello. And welcome to the SS Tyrone. I'm Captain Jamal and this is First Mate Malik- oh. Please forgive me. May I take your coat, Ma'am"
'Oh! Um, yes. That would be gr-'
"Ensign DeMarcus! Would you please extend your penis so that the lady may have something to hang her coat on?"
'Well, I'm currently steering the boat with it, boss. Can it wai-'
"Ensign DeMarcus!!"
'Oh, Okay'.

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

"Hello. And welcome to the SS Tyrone. I'm Captain Jamal and this is First Mate Malik- oh. Please forgive me. May I take your coat, Ma'am"

I would not be surprised if that boat becomes a BBC party. You just can fucking see it happening, her patrons just want another GGGB. I was okay with Jessica's role in ORS it was like a really decent fan service and easter egg. In my shitty opinion GGGB cameos should have stopped with her.

I just wish EK will let Ian punch people again before feeding Lena to the bulls.