VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

NAH. Potato head Robert takes the cake for me. Eff that guy

There are so many terrible characters in the game, main villain is not part of the who is the worst discussion.
I agree eff that guy but Lena's mother is still the worst for me. Think about it, she knew Lena was working her ass off. She had to give up her dreams to help them, then she took all the money Lena gave and gave it to her brother who according to Lena, is good for nothing. She only realised she did not know where her daughter was living because she could not snitch on her crazy ex. Each time they talked on the phone, she was just bitching. If Lena wanted to hang out a little bit with her friends instead of taking an early train she acted like Lena murdered a sack of kittens and so on.

You understand right, but it's just not true. The throuple can also be started if Ian only ever got in relationship with Lena (and only being friends with Holly) The only factor which matters is Lena and Holly establishing a close bond (lena_go_holly = 5) and Lena not cheating on Ian with people other than Axel, because then she'll automatically decide she doesn't want to drag Holly into her messed up love life situation.

So Ian and Lena together. Lena has interest in Holly. Ian has interest in Holly. Lena not cheating.

So, what about Louise? Can Lena have something with her? Also what about cheating Ian?

 

[ffive]

Lol, dude it's not "constructing headcanon".

How else would you call something you're inventing without anything explicitly present in the game to support it? At no point Perry claims that he wants Wade to be this way or the other because this is what Perry wants for himself.

it's easily viewable simply as Perry being happy Wade remains in that slacker situation and that the bad trip hasn't also given him a kick up the backside to maybe do something with his life that doesn't revolve around being Forever 21

Or Perry is simply happy his friend appears to be back to his usual self because this indicates the bad trip he's went through wasn't harmful. But then he would be something more than just selfish prick with only his own interest in mind. And that'd be quite inconvenient for shitting all over him, so we can't have it.

 

[ffive]

So, what about Louise? Can Lena have something with her? Also what about cheating Ian?

Yes, Lena/Ian can have threesome with Louise without any impact on the throuple discussion, at least for now. Similarly Ian cheating doesn't seem to have impact, although it's too early to tell for sure at this point, because the discussion between Lena, Ian and Holly has yet to happen.

 

[Gicoo]

There are so many terrible characters in the game, main villain is not part of the who is the worst discussion.

He earned a few points by currently being the only one that takes Lena's mother to a hospital that isn't treating her like shit.

 

[jd8097619]

How else would you call something you're inventing without anything explicitly present in the game to support it? At no point Perry claims that he wants Wade to be this way or the other because this is what Perry wants for himself.


Or Perry is simply happy his friend appears to be back to his usual self because this indicates the bad trip he's went through wasn't harmful. But then he would be something more than just selfish prick with only his own interest in mind. And that'd be quite inconvenient for shitting all over him, so we can't have it.

Funny how you claim I'm "inventing without anything explicitly present in the game to support it" when you're doing the exact same thing. You're reading a statement of his and interpreting it as purely "Perry wants the best for Wade" when it doesn't explicitly say that. Meanwhile I'm reading that statement and comparing it to prior context of Perry's behaviour to interpret it as "Perry simply doesn't want Wade to change for his own selfish reasons".

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Yes, Lena/Ian can have threesome with Louise without any impact on the throuple discussion, at least for now. Similarly Ian cheating doesn't seem to have impact, although it's too early to tell for sure at this point, because the discussion between Lena, Ian and Holly has yet to happen.

He earned a few points by currently being the only one that takes Lena's mother to a hospital that isn't treating her like shit.

Who is treating her like a shit exactly? Her husband does as much as he can as far as we know, Lena treating her well enough and they only have a problem if the mum does something awful. We don't know any other interaction she has. Oh, even crazy psychopath brought chocolate to her and was nice to her.

 

[ffive]

Funny how you claim I'm "inventing without anything explicitly present in the game to support it" when you're doing the exact same thing. You're reading a statement of his and interpreting it as purely "Perry wants the best for Wade" when it doesn't explicitly say that.

Yes, i'm taking Perry's behavior at face value, given there's no indications for me to do otherwise. That's Occam's razor -- the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is usually correct. This is not the same as what you're doing, but the opposite.

 

[Gicoo]

Who is treating her like a shit exactly? Her husband does as much as he can as far as we know, Lena treating her well enough and they only have a problem if the mum does something awful. We don't know any other interaction she has. Oh, even crazy psychopath brought chocolate to her and was nice to her.

The hospital. Normaly, she is expected to go to a normal hospital that won't treat her well, since she has no money. Seymour pays for a proper hospital that actually takes care of her.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

The hospital. Normaly, she is expected to go to a normal hospital that won't treat her well, since she has no money. Seymour pays for a proper hospital that actually takes care of her.

Normally she was going to a good hospital but she decided to give all the money to her son. I don't know what you chose but in my first playthrough I let Lena gave as much as possible and it was a lot of money in the game and she just blew it all. I think Lena treats her better than she deserves.

 

[Gicoo]

Normally she was going to a good hospital but she decided to give all the money to her son. I don't know what you chose but in my first playthrough I let Lena gave as much as possible and it was a lot of money in the game and she just blew it all. I think Lena treats her better than she deserves.

Doesn't change that she goes now to an excellent hospital thanks to Seymour.
But if your take is to let her die, then Seymour saving her would be a moot point for him.

 

[jd8097619]

Yes, i'm taking Perry's behavior at face value, given there's no indications for me to do otherwise. That's Occam's razor -- the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is usually correct. This is not the same as what you're doing, but the opposite.

No, you're just taking his behaviour at the face value your view of him requires. The face value for me is that his "normal" of Wade is the one that Perry hangs out with and that's all that Perry's really concerned by.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Doesn't change that she goes now to an excellent hospital thanks to Seymour.
But if your take is to let her die, then Seymour saving her would be a moot point for him.

It's a good thing on Seymour POV, maybe with a hint of ulterior motive which includes Lena. I was talking about people are being nice to her more than she deserves.

 

[BlandChili]

Doesn't change that she goes now to an excellent hospital thanks to Seymour.
But if your take is to let her die, then Seymour saving her would be a moot point for him.

I think Lena can pay for the hospital too. When I played I had the option of paying, like 10 money units or something. Or Lena at least asked about the price.

 

[Gicoo]

It's a good thing on Seymour POV, maybe with a hint of ulterior motive which includes Lena. I was talking about people are being nice to her more than she deserves.

Oh, its an ulterior motive for sure. He doesn't know Lena's mother and he has no reason to care about her [fan theory they were a couple]. But if someone gives me a present without any drawbacks, I don't care about their motives and gladly accept the present. And regardless how terrible Lena's mother is, the implication is that Lena cares for her, hence she sents money to her to begin with.

 

[Gicoo]

I think Lena can pay for the hospital too. When I played I had the option of paying, like 10 money units or something. Or Lena at least asked about the price.

Yes, but thats not guaranted and it is nice that Seymour pays for it for free even if she has that much money to spare.

 

[ffive]

No, you're just taking his behaviour at the face value your view of him requires. The face value for me is that his "normal" of Wade is the one that Perry hangs out with and that's all that Perry's really concerned by.

Right, and your version of face value includes "and that's all that Perry's really concerned by" which is an unnecessary and quite unfounded presumption on your part. Mine doesn't.

 

[ffive]

Oh, its an ulterior motive for sure. He doesn't know Lena's mother and he has no reason to care about her

It's sufficient to know she's mother of his model, and that Lena is concerned and stressed over her well-being. That can be enough of a reason in itself, if he wants his model to be able to give it her all during their sessions. Of course, easily earning Lena's gratitude isn't going to harm, either.

 

[Andrea9999]

There is universal mod to do just that: 0x52 URM, search it in this forum

I started a game with it....used it....and somehow found both MC's handicapped in the intelligence department. I do not know how I managed to get it to sabotage all of my intentions. I did not see how to manage the points; only how to get versatility in making choices as if you had all the points necessary.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Seymour is Lena dad,he misses clapping them mother cheeks so his using his money to get his youth back.
ORS is a story of incest in our modern times.

 

[jd8097619]

Right, and your version of face value includes "and that's all that Perry's really concerned by" which is an unnecessary and quite unfounded presumption on your part. Mine doesn't.

Mate, it's only "an unnecessary and quite unfounded presumption" if you ignore Perry's behaviour in earlier chapters where he:
A - Repeatedly mentions how he doesn't like Wade being with Cindy and actively pushes on Wade negative assumptions about her behaviour.
B - His preferred idea of hanging out is either going to Wade's or having Wade come to his to play video games and smoke weed.
C - Actively resists any attempt to leave that pattern.

Frankly, from my perspective it's your position of wanting to give Perry so much benefit of doubt that to view his concern as genuine you basically have to ignore his behaviour in the previous 11 chapters which requires the "unfounded presumption".