VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Eleanorduval]

It's an alternative universe with no STD, reputation or police (IRL, at least in Spain, Axel would sleep in a cell and find himself in front of a judge after going to his ex workplace and hitting a guy). There's a pretty popular game in this site where getting a STD even impacts the path with one LI IIRC, in this game creampies are mostly a kink.






My point was not a judgemental one. For example, I find a girl taking part in a glory hole disgusting and would never have a relationship with her. But I wouldn't get my dick sucked in one either. My point is for people to be consistant with their views, whatever they are.

And if you really think about it, when we advice someone about something we oftenly end up just trying to make them more like us. If we thought our lifestyle and views were wrong, we wouldn't have them in the first place. So basically that's the thing with Ivy, she sees it as encouraging Lena and Holly to be better. We can disagree but that's her pov.

it is called influence,good or bad.

 

[Hungover00]

After first gloryhole cock:

"Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks, and she looked at the camera while wiping some cum from her lips."

Lena: It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me.

 

[Eleanorduval]

After first gloryhole cock:

"Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks, and she looked at the camera while wiping some cum from her lips."

Lena: It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me.

hey i didn t research that part.can u tell me what happen?

 

[ffive]

After first gloryhole cock:

"Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks, and she looked at the camera while wiping some cum from her lips."

Lena: It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me.

Lena should look in the mirror more often:



I'll start to worry about Holly's expressions after i see her making something approaching this face.

 

[Deleted member 8558271]

Molly no, Ed was abandoned (maybe in a dlc), Gillian maybe one scene outside the dreams, Nat probably not at this point

Why my boy Ed is abandoned? the choices we made can lead to good scenes such a wasted character.

 

[varpep]

I miss Molly and Ed. Hope we get to see them soon. I can't wait for Ian to start work at Heirophant and start interacting more with Nat and Clark. It seems the beach house event wrapped up a lot of major story beats nicely. So from here on out, I believe we're in the final laps of the story. I would have been fine with 16 chapters. I just hope Eva is just not going no unnecessarily pad the last few chapters to appease the patreons. Maybe the last few chapters could be like epilogues. I wonder what cards Seymour has left to play. I also wonder what dastardly schemes Axel is concocting to further torment f95zone users lol. Will Ian ever bang Ivy? It's all hearsay atm. Will Perry crash out when he finds out Emma has been banging Jeremy, Ian and Lena? Hopefully he goes all Hulk and gives Jeremy a black eye. How will the Cindy arc end? Hmm...I guess Eva still has a lot of story to cover. Hopefully she can stick the landing cause this game is slowly turning into a development nightmare. Although she has improved her pace over the past few months so I'm still optimistic. Sorry for the incoherent rambling. Waiting for the next update will do that to ya

 

[Xupuzulla]

After first gloryhole cock:

"Holly had a strange expression, dazed, with dilated pupils and flushed cheeks, and she looked at the camera while wiping some cum from her lips."

Lena: It felt like she was under the influence of something, or at least that's how it seemed to me.

Bro is so obvious what is happening in that scene,people are just being dense for the sake of being dense
Ivy is a shit person,a horrendous character who drives a pink car.

 

[varpep]

Bro is so obvious what is happening in that scene,people are just being dense for the sake of being dense
Ivy is a shit person,a horrendous character who drives a pink car.

I have a sneaky suspicion that you don't like Ivy Though I could be wrong...

 

[Xupuzulla]

I have a sneaky suspicion that you don't like Ivy Though I could be wrong...

Whats there to like?
Like seriously what positive this evil soul from Lucifer has for herself?

 

[El_Magnifico]

I have a sneaky suspicion that you don't like Ivy Though I could be wrong...

Xupuzulla every time Ivy's breathing :

 

[Xupuzulla]

Xupuzulla every time Ivy's breathing :

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I mean shes getting away with drugging her "friends" for her own pleasure so that image is actually spot on

 

[Deleted member 8558271]

I mean shes getting away with drugging her "friends" for her own pleasure so that image is actually spot on

I like the design of Ivy at first, I thought there was a route where she can be a good love interest for Ian. But now I just want Ian to dominate her and show her who is the boss.

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

Holly is a pushover, that is why she is a hit to these manipulative people. She only develops a spine when it comes to getting Ian's dick or heart.

 

[mommysboiii]

There isn't drugs. People are assuming that Holly was drugged, when there isn't really proof of it at this moment. Lena thinks Holly looks out of it, but that could be any number of things outside of drugs. And like ffive has been argueing, even if there are drugs involved, there is no proof that Holly didn't take them willingly.

I think thats a 5 head move of evakiss

Like patreon rules and they cant really say anything brcause well she did take them willingly or she never took drugs its 5 head that it happens offscreen outside of the boundrys of patreon fiction police

 

[dolfe67]

I think thats a 5 head move of evakiss

Like patreon rules and they cant really say anything brcause well she did take them willingly or she never took drugs its 5 head that it happens offscreen outside of the boundrys of patreon fiction police

What does it have to do with patreon? Lena can do drugs too.

In GGGB too, though that game seems to have flown under their radar (there is incest)

 

[Gicoo]

That's not what i asked about. Who is to say that Jeremy isn't offering Alison drugs, and that Alison isn't taking them because she feels pressurized to keep Jeremy's interest? Maybe Ian's remarks are also supposed to highlight that her behavior is not "normal" for her?

Unless that is spelled out, we are expected to know everything about their relationship from what the text gives us. Expections arise if the information is flawed on purpose and/or misleading. From what we know of Alison and Jeremy, Alison isn't as gullible as Holly and much more in control of her limits, while Jeremy is too simpleminded to resort to drugs.

The game literally refers to Alison who goes this route as a bimbo. This is, if anything, the extreme form of "corruption" in these games, that goes beyond basic "slutty" behavior of sucking a few cocks.

Yet bimbo Alison doesn't do anything as drastic as Holly. Bimbo could just refer to her new looks. GGGB Ashley could end up as a plastic doll, but still be faithfull to Eric.

Seriously, it kind of boggles the mind why exactly people believe Ivy is the sort of a person who'd drug and rape someone while what, pretending to be their friend? It's funny that for all the talk about "double standards that give women a pass" she seems to be the only person who get smeared with this kind of talk.

Meantime, fucking Arthur: Hello, Lena
*audience: wild cheers*

double standards, indeed.

You can also apply this to Lena on her meanier paths and probably Agnes (not enough screen time and exposition of her character to say what she is up to), Ivy isn't the only female corrupter in the game.

Your Arthur comparison is a strawman. Aside from the odd troll, no reasonable person would't acknowlegde Arthurs criminal tendencies. Him being an evil, wrong, criminal person is known and spelled out in-game.

I don't mind Ivy and Arthur corrupting their victims, these are potentially great plotlines. But I call them out at the same time.

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I highly differatiate between Holly and the other girls, since Holly is portrayed as noticable more childish, naive, and not mental matured, there is a noticable discrepancy between her intellect and emotional intelligence with her social awareness. Ivy and/or Lena effectively order her what to do and not a single time she resists and says no. Responsibility goes both ways, we have the culprits/abusers and the victims/abused that in some scenarios allow themselves to be used. We can ascertain that Ivy is smart enough to know what damage she could do to Holly.

Ivy isn't treating anyone else as she is Holly. She tries with Lena, but the latter can fight back and Ivy knows that, hence she is less pushy. To judge ones true character, we can observe them in situations when they have full power and nothing to fear, or when they are dealing when subordinates (and not equals or superiors). The way how dismissive and rude Ivy is to Holly, how she doesn't regard her as an equal and fully goes to "take her under her wing" by effectively pimping her out (aside from the money aspect) is far more exemplary and evident of her character than her behavior towards Lena, since with her she has to be on guard and behave herself a bit.


Else I agree that we will never get it spelled out that it could be rape on a technical level. Rape is treated understandably less serious by the audience in porn (games), since its fictive and in the writers and readers control. A bunch of scenarios in GGGB and ORS are flat out criminal, but we rarely complain since we understand its porn. Dubcon was mentioned to have the rape scenario without technically having the troublesome RL rape repercussions. And finally, writers avoiding spelled out rape for a loophole to distribute their work on sites like patreon, but still implementing these scenarios and just dodging it with some esoteric adjustment.

 

[Saerwen]

Unless that is spelled out, we are expected to know everything about their relationship from what the text gives us. Expections arise if the information is flawed on purpose and/or misleading. From what we know of Alison and Jeremy, Alison isn't as gullible as Holly and much more in control of her limits, while Jeremy is too simpleminded to resort to drugs.



Yet bimbo Alison doesn't do anything as drastic as Holly. Bimbo could just refer to her new looks. GGGB Ashley could end up as a plastic doll, but still be faithfull to Eric.



You can also apply this to Lena on her meanier paths and probably Agnes (not enough screen time and exposition of her character to say what she is up to), Ivy isn't the only female corrupter in the game.

Your Arthur comparison is a strawman. Aside from the odd troll, no reasonable person would't acknowlegde Arthurs criminal tendencies. Him being an evil, wrong, criminal person is known and spelled out in-game.

I don't mind Ivy and Arthur corrupting their victims, these are potentially great plotlines. But I call them out at the same time.

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I highly differatiate between Holly and the other girls, since Holly is portrayed as noticable more childish, naive, and not mental matured, there is a noticable discrepancy between her intellect and emotional intelligence with her social awareness. Ivy and/or Lena effectively order her what to do and not a single time she resists and says no. Responsibility goes both ways, we have the culprits/abusers and the victims/abused that in some scenarios allow themselves to be used. We can ascertain that Ivy is smart enough to know what damage she could do to Holly.

Ivy isn't treating anyone else as she is Holly. She tries with Lena, but the latter can fight back and Ivy knows that, hence she is less pushy. To judge ones true character, we can observe them in situations when they have full power and nothing to fear, or when they are dealing when subordinates (and not equals or superiors). The way how dismissive and rude Ivy is to Holly, how she doesn't regard her as an equal and fully goes to "take her under her wing" by effectively pimping her out (aside from the money aspect) is far more exemplary and evident of her character than her behavior towards Lena, since with her she has to be on guard and behave herself a bit.


Else I agree that we will never get it spelled out that it could be rape on a technical level. Rape is treated understandably less serious by the audience in porn (games), since its fictive and in the writers and readers control. A bunch of scenarios in GGGB and ORS are flat out criminal, but we rarely complain since we understand its porn. Dubcon was mentioned to have the rape scenario without technically having the troublesome RL rape repercussions. And finally, writers avoiding spelled out rape for a loophole to distribute their work on sites like patreon, but still implementing these scenarios and just dodging it with some esoteric adjustment.

Ivy reminds me of my ex friend from class, we were minors back then. I remember we were in the park just talking and since it was getting dark I wanted to go home. Suddenly, some guys came out of nowhere who knew my friend. I was very uncomfortable because she wanted me to stay and meet them(there were no other people besides us and the guys). What I had done? I panicked for some reason and left.

 

[Gicoo]

Ivy reminds me of my friend from class, we were minors back then. I remember we were in the park just talking and since it was getting dark I wanted to go home. Suddenly, some some guys came out of nowhere who knew my friend. I was very uncomfortable because she wanted me to stay. What I had done? I panicked for some reason and left.

Well, we won't get the darker, more realistic of these porn plotlines, since they firstly meant to entertain, not to inform or educate. As far as yet, we won't get Holly suffering under negative long term effects of drug abuse, misscarriage, PTSD, withdrawing herself, failing to write her book etc. Instead the game focuses on her sexual liberation and debauchery in a very comforting and encouraging way.

Though to Evas credit, the darker repercussions are called out in Jessicas bad ending, some of Ashleys and Evas endings on the gang route, and Arthur can end up in jail. Regarding ORS, Seymour and his crownies may lose their reputation and get intangled in a scandal, Axel may get a imprisoned if his stalking tendencies goes too far, maybe Stan will get physical and have a breakdown if Lena and Louise push him too hard. So Hollys life getting destroyed by Ivy and Lena is still possible.

 

[Saerwen]

Well, we won't get the darker, more realistic of these porn plotlines, since they firstly meant to entertain, not to inform or educate. As far as yet, we won't get Holly suffering under negative long term effects of drug abuse, misscarriage, PTSD, withdrawing herself, failing to write her book etc. Instead the game focuses on her sexual liberation and debauchery in a very comforting and encouraging way.

Though to Evas credit, the darker repercussions are called out in Jessicas bad ending, some of Ashleys and Evas endings on the gang route, and Arthur can end up in jail. Regarding ORS, Seymour and his crownies may lose their reputation and get intangled in a scandal, Axel may get a imprisoned if his stalking tendencies goes too far, maybe Stan will get physical and have a breakdown if Lena and Louise push him too hard. So Hollys life getting destroyed by Ivy and Lena is still possible.

I thought Seymour is the main villain and I was curious as to how his arc with Lena will progress since you can choose to accept/refuse signing the contract, so it could meant that there will be consequences for that and being loyal to Ian or not, but it seems that Eva won't expand it anymore.

 

[SearingFive]

Can't wait for the fedora Stan arc!