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Ian/Lena - the game simply imposes this couple until chapter 8, no matter how much you resist, a kiss will still happen at the very least.
No it won't. Yeah the narrative is skewed towards them but it's entirely possible to avoid anything romantic between them. Just choose to not ask Lena out as Ian or let Lena not be interested after the first hang-out.
 

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It is weird how Ian and Jeremy usually have a very wholesome bro relationship when it comes to Alison, both very eager to share her, while Ian is extremely possessive of Lena and her going for both is a breach of trust that even she is aware of, hence she doesn't commit to Ian if she had fun with Jeremy since she know it will hurt him if she goes for his friend.

Its another sign how the story prioritizes the Ian/Lena love as the true one, while all other relationships are mostly variances and secondary, Ian could never love Alison or Louise as much as Lena, just how all of Lenas male options barely have any good chemistry beyond physical attraction (and then there is Stan). Holly is the exception and also a love partner pushed by the narrative.
If Ian and Lena are being 'experimental' in their relationship why would Ian remain possessive towards Lena, since that is a contradictory position to the whole concept of being 'experimental'? That idea just doesn't make any sense, particularly if Ian has already had a threesome with Lena involving Louise, and knows full well that Lena has a similar fantasy involving two guys. Him refusing to countenance such a scenario, would be counter-productive, since the entire basis of this relationship is predicated on the two of them 'experimenting' with other people.

For me, Lena will always struggle in a conventional relationship, because temptation will always be there for her, simply because of the nature of the ways she has to earn a living. Whether she ends up as a rock star, a model, a dancer or even a pornstar, inevitably she'll end up in situations, where other men and women will desire her. And since Eva herself has made Lena's lifestyle and supporting personality this way, it seems totally contradictory that she would have Ian and Lena not move towards a fully open relationship, if they're 'experimenting'.

We all know why Ian has his doubts and fears, but surely he's intelligent enough to realise, that if he's going to date a girl like Lena, and have a successful relationship with her, then he needs to move beyond these fears and become more confident and open than he was, when he was dating Gillian. Because that attitude just wont cut it anymore, if he wants Lena to stick around. Otherwise he'll become increasingly paranoid, everytime his girlfriend inevitably is pursued by one of her multitude of admirers.

And if Ian is uncomfortable with such a scenario, why would he ever consider having a relationship with a girl like Lena, particularly when there are other, 'safer' options? The whole point of choosing someone like Lena, is you know it's never going to be dull, and probably somewhat of a rollercoaster, and if what you want is 'conventional', only a complete moron would go for that option.

If Ian wants a comfortable, conventional relationship, he should choose Holly or maybe Alison. Both of those girls are crazy about him, so he can't really go wrong. Lena is all about having an exciting, unconventional life, that will continuously push Ian to be more than he is.
 
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If Ian wants a comfortable, conventional relationship, he should choose Holly or maybe Alison. Both of those girls are crazy about him, so he can't really go wrong. Lena is all about having an exciting, unconventional life, that will continuously push Ian to be more than he is.
It's far from universal and largely depends on how you choose to play Lena. E.g. Wits-oriented Lena is very much a nerd who gets excited over meeting her idol Holly, had something like two relationships in her life total, and can have completely monogamous relationship with Ian.

Even the whole "experimenting together" thing is completely optional and depends on player's choices.
 

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It's far from universal and largely depends on how you choose to play Lena. E.g. Wits-oriented Lena is very much a nerd who gets excited over meeting her idol Holly, had something like two relationships in her life total, and can have completely monogamous relationship with Ian.

Even the whole "experimenting together" thing is completely optional and depends on player's choices.
True. It's incredible how Eva manages to do this, there are so many choices about literally everything and they are meaningful. It's so complex. I like that you can't get all characters in one play though, characters will show jealousy... The worst games are those that have choices that aren't doing jack shit(illusion of a choice) and is forcing you to play as it meant to be.
 

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True. It's incredible how Eva manages to do this, there are so many choices about literally everything and they are meaningful. It's so complex. I like that you can't get all characters in one play though, characters will show jealousy... The worst games are those that have choices that aren't doing jack shit(illusion of a choice) and is forcing you to play as it meant to be.
I really don't envy all the work that must entail, both for Eva and MrBuBu that does the incredible PDF walkthrough. I do appreciate it, though.
 

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It's far from universal and largely depends on how you choose to play Lena. E.g. Wits-oriented Lena is very much a nerd who gets excited over meeting her idol Holly, had something like two relationships in her life total, and can have completely monogamous relationship with Ian.

Even the whole "experimenting together" thing is completely optional and depends on player's choices.
Yeah but doesn't this apply to Ian as well when Handling Jeremy. Sure Ian is always going to have some reservations about his bro banging the girl he loves. But YOU can choose to be okay about it as well as Lena having fun with other girls (still weird but not cheating if Ian agrees to it). I don't agree that experimenting with others should always lead to an open relationship though cause that is an extreme.
 
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It's far from universal and largely depends on how you choose to play Lena. E.g. Wits-oriented Lena is very much a nerd who gets excited over meeting her idol Holly, had something like two relationships in her life total, and can have completely monogamous relationship with Ian.

Even the whole "experimenting together" thing is completely optional and depends on player's choices.
She may have only had two relationships, but it's clear from her dialogues with Ivy, that she's had no shortage of sex partners. The way the two of them talk to Holly, it's almost like she's joining the Slut Club. So regardless of whether she has a momogamous relationship with Ian, she's still had a lot more sex than him, with many more sexual partners (which she makes very clear to Ian on the cuck route). And it doesn't matter whether she's faithful to him or not. Because she's still a nude model, still potentially on Stalkfap or involved with Seymour. Whatever she does, there's potentially temptation at every turn, and Ian knows that and has to learn to cope with it.

I don't think it's a forgone conclusion, that Ian and Lena being in a monogamous relationship, means that something isn't going to come along to upset the applecart. Even if they both reject their former ex partners, they're both still there, stirring up trouble and memories (good and bad). Ian in particular, is now working with Gillian, and even if he denies it, I don't think he's entirely moved on from her, and it's almost certainly going to cause issues for him and Lena, just like Axel has done the same. But in Axel's case, at least Lena isnt working in the same building everyday, as Ian and Gillian will be going forward. And let's face it, that probably means they'll be working together at some point. Eva has clearly brought Gillian back, so Ian can succumb to her charms once more, or at the very least be tormented and mercilessly tempted to do so.
 
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I'm kinda already disappointed with the Ivy path. It ultimately dragged on too long. At this point, even if Ian gets to bang her, it won't be as satisfying. Also a potential romance path is out of the question which was why I was so looking forward to the potential pairing. For it to happen it's gonna need Louise levels of speed running and it just won't be as satisfying. I guess I'd still be happy with the sex scene between her and Ian but meaningless sex doesn't really do much for me.
 

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She may have only had two relationships, but it's clear from her dialogues with Ivy, that she's had no shortage of sex partners. The way the two of them talk to Holly, it's almost like she's joining the Slut Club. So regardless of whether she has a momogamous relationship with Ian, she's still had a lot more sex than him, with many more sexual partners (which she makes very clear to Ian on the cuck route).
The way Lena talks to Holly is, again, decided by the player's choices. Lena can encourage Holly to have sex, but she also has numerous options to (literally) "protect Holly" where she does the opposite and actively counters Ivy's ideas and influence. In fact, using these options Lena can form a monogamous relationship with Holly that's presented all like innocent unicorns and rainbows for both of them, including the supposed all-out-slut Lena.

Lena's former sex partners are also not set in stone -- she mentions having a lot of them if she's Lust oriented. She mentions having some casual partners if she's Charisma oriented. And she mentions none when she's Wits oriented which, given the alternatives, makes it a logical conclusion that on this path she didn't actually have many such relationships, if any at all. Lena is very much what you choose to make her and like i said, that includes Nerd Lena who'd kept very much to herself for most of her life, with her friendship with Ivy being more of "opposites attract" than "two peas in a sex pod".

As for the cuck route... the whole cuck route and talk about past dicks only happens if you choose for Lena to have sex with Axel in Ch.9 (or to work with Seymour against her misgivings) Afterwards, what Lena is doing is having sexy talks with her partner about things he clearly enjoys. Not only are these talks based mainly on what she's done in the game not before it (so yet, again, player's choices) but there's also no guarantee that what Lena tells Ian is 100% based on her actual experiences, as opposed to just telling him what he likes to hear.

I don't think it's a forgone conclusion, that Ian and Lena being in a monogamous relationship, means that something isn't going to come along to upset the applecart.
I don't think anyone is saying that. I'm simply noting that the idea of Lena as "wild, adventurous girl with plenty of sex and someone Ian has no choice but to enter open relationship with and strive all the time to match her slutty attitude" is very much misguided and perhaps based more on how you've played your particular Lena, than anything else. She can be like that, yes, but she can also be nothing like that.
 

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I'm kinda already disappointed with the Ivy path. It ultimately dragged on too long. At this point, even if Ian gets to bang her, it won't be as satisfying. Also a potential romance path is out of the question which was why I was so looking forward to the potential pairing. For it to happen it's gonna need Louise levels of speed running and it just won't be as satisfying. I guess I'd still be happy with the sex scene between her and Ian but meaningless sex doesn't really do much for me.
Yeah, it's peculiar that Ivy don't have much content yet, nor Lena's FMM threesome. Either Eva will include something in the next chapter or at the end of the game. Will there even be a gangbang, an orgy, who knows...
 

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I'm kinda already disappointed with the Ivy path. It ultimately dragged on too long. At this point, even if Ian gets to bang her, it won't be as satisfying. Also a potential romance path is out of the question which was why I was so looking forward to the potential pairing. For it to happen it's gonna need Louise levels of speed running and it just won't be as satisfying. I guess I'd still be happy with the sex scene between her and Ian but meaningless sex doesn't really do much for me.
Yeah, it is starting too late. Nothing but some flirting. I also feel Louise started a bit too late, but she at least it getting a little bit of a speedrun though her path. Feels like Eva should of started both of these paths a bit sooner, now we are close to the end, so not much left for them.

I am also really disappointed that the Gillian path is starting too late also, I feel she should of came into the story around the same time as Axel and got some build up. I feel like her path has a lot of potential and intrigue, so it's sad that she didn't even show up till over halfway through the game.
 
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And she mentions none when she's Wits oriented
In chapter 11 when Lena gives Ian a footjob, if Ian asks how she learnt to do it, she says she used to sleep with her professor that was into feet. I believe this to be cannon to every Lena since she says this regardless of which version of Lena you're playing. Is this perhaps an oversight when it comes to wits Lena?
 
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I wouldnt call "wits Lena" a nerd, she's still a party girl and a nude model who dated a party boy (Axel) and was kinda freaky in bed with him. She can be a bit of a bookworm but nothing close to Holly. Or we don't have the same definition of nerd.
 

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In chapter 11 when Lena gives Ian a footjob, if Ian asks how she learnt to do it, she says she used to sleep with her professor that was into feet. I believe this to be cannon to every Lena since she says this regardless of which version of Lena you're playing. Is this perhaps an oversight when it comes to wits Lena?
Unless I'm misremembering, that has more to do with a Cuck Ian changing her background than it being some sort of cannon event in her life.
 

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I wouldnt call "wits Lena" a nerd, she's still a party girl and a nude model who dated a party boy (Axel) and was kinda freaky in bed with him. She can be a bit of a bookworm but nothing close to Holly. Or we don't have the same definition of nerd.
Wits Lena talks how she's been keeping to herself and interested only in reading books, writing her music and staying away from her peers she viewed as immature. She wasn't really a party girl, and she basically fell under Axel's influence after Ivy has introduced them, for her modeling work. It's not unlike default Ashe from GGGB getting involved with Jack and/or party scene in the game.

Also, being freaky in bed isn't mutually exclusive with being a nerd. Just look at 95% of the users of this very site. Not that most of them have means to put these desires to be freaky into actual practice but, you know. :whistle:

edit: interestingly enough, you could say that for wits Lena her "freakiness in bed" was perhaps a result of being shaped/influenced by both of her relationship partners -- between Axel's wanna-be dom tendencies and her former professor who was into getting peed on and other unconventional stuff, she's never actually been in a "vanilla relationship", so to speak. Ian (or Holly) can be potentially first such person for her.
 
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Unless I'm misremembering, that has more to do with a Cuck Ian changing her background than it being some sort of cannon event in her life.
Yeah but even though you don't pick the cuck option, if you pick the lust option she still says she use to be with a guy that was into feet stuff. And on every playthrough that Lena is with Ian she gives him the footjob. It's on Ian to say whether he likes it or not.
 
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Yeah but even though you don't pick the cuck option, if you pick the lust option she still says she use to be with a guy that was into feet stuff. And on every playthrough that Lena is with Ian she gives him the footjob. It's on Ian to say whether he likes it or not.
The feet guy was her college professor, one of her two canon relationships* no matter Lena's background:
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                l "I used to date a guy who was into foot stuff. He always asked me to do it, so I ended up becoming pretty good at it..."
                menu v11feetcuck:
                    "{image=icon_sad.webp}Tell me more...":
//...
                        i "Who was he? An ex-boyfriend?"
                        l "Not quite... We saw each other for several months, but we never got into a serious relationship... I was barely nineteen at the time, and he was quite a bit older than me..."
                        "Lena began caressing her pussy while she kept stroking my cock between her beautiful feet. This situation made me feel incredibly lewd..."
                        i "Really...? How much older?"
                        l "About twenty years or so... He was a college professor, very smart, but quite weird. He loved to lick and use my feet... and he even asked me to pee on him."
There's some more info about him that the game provides during the "Never Have I Ever" thing:
Python:
                    l "He was one of those silver foxes... A bit old, but with a very elegant presence and demeanor. And I loved the cologne he wore..."
                    l "I signed up for his tutoring sessions, partly for academic interest, partly because I was really into him. And apparently, he felt the same way about me."
                    l "We went on a few dates, but he was married, and we both knew we just wanted to satisfy our mutual curiosity and desire."
*) note how Lena mentions here that it wasn't really a relationship. So it's possible for Lena to only really have been in one "actual relationship" with the Wits background, and that being Axel.
edit: i remembered it wrong. Lena's other relationship was a guy a few years older than herself:
Python:
                    e "How many years older was your first boyfriend?"
                    l "Not that many I was sixteen and he was... twenty-one or twenty-two."
                l "He was still really a kid, but in the eyes of my teen self, he was so mature..."
                l "It wasn't until I realized that, that I matured myself. In the end, he taught me a lot, even if it was painful."
 
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I'm perplexed by how Lena broke up with Axel because he "cheated" yet herself is always in a position or in high tendency to cheat. She had so many sexual exposures, she and Ivy used to do it a lot... idk but maybe it has to do with how you play her. Ian on the other hand seems kinda nerdy, but a sweet guy
 
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