Zara Scarlet

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I just want to point out that Cindy is also a girl who becomes a nude model and potentially gets Axel as her boyfriend. And she's nowhere near being wild sexually when that happens -- quite the opposite, she's reluctant to even give blowjobs and reacts negatively to being lightly spanked.

What i'm getting at is there isn't really anything in these two activities per se that defines a girl who engage in them as wild and sexually uninhibited. Nude modeling is just that (heck, even pure version of Holly will readily do that with Lena) and dating Axel is similarly not something that requires all-stamped sex freak bingo card to apply. As such, Lena doing these things doesn't really reflect on her personality as much as you'd present it here.

I agree that Ivy likely had some impact on Lena, but this, too is something the player can limit/control -- Lena can turn down Ivy's sexual advances as well as actively limit her actions and advice when it comes to others (Holly) and abstain from both drugs and smoking. I think it's pretty hard to argue such strait-laced and conservative version of Lena is really some sort of wild and uninhibited sex freak.
Yeah, you can stop her from doing all that stuff. But it's clear she's already done it anyway. Ivy and Lena have had lesbian sex in the past, they've done drugs together and they've slept around together. You can try to make her into a different person, but you can can't unmake the past, when she's been clearly very different, under Ivy's influence.

This is shown clearly with Holly. If Lena prevents Ivy having an undue influence over Holly, then she remains pretty much herself, albeit somewhat more confident and outgoing. But if she allows it, regardless of what Lena does herself, Holly rapidly transforms into Ivy Mark 2. And I'm guessing that's pretty much what happened to Lena. Love her or hate her, this girl has bucketloads of confidence, and most girls can't help but be impressed by her. Even Emma, who is hardly someone who gets easily influenced by others, is a bit in awe of Ivy when she meets her at Blazer.

Also, I think there's a bit of a difference between what Holly does with Lena, in the safe confines of Lena's bedroom, with someone she's obviously developing sexual feelings for, and what Lena does in public, with professional photographers, she's never previously met or being sketched by dozens of complete strangers, some of whom are clearly only there to get a sexual thrill. It's a pretty large order of magnitude different, which Pure Holly would never dream of contemplating. But Ivy influenced Holly, is entirely different matter. How long before she starts posting erotic photos of herself on Peoplegram? She's even suggesting to Ian that her next novel might diverge from the fantasy genre into erotic fiction. So promoting herself on social media, in a similar way to Ivy, might then become an advantage?

Cindy is clearly one of those girls who is celebrity obsessed and dreams of the glamorous lifestyle she could have, if she could become a model. But she obviously lacks confidence, even though it's clear to everyone around her, that she's actually hot and sexy. She just needs someone to tell her that and encourage her to take that step , and Wade never does, because that's not the kind of lifestyle or girlfriend that he really wants. Nobody is really surprised when Cindy actually does become a model, because only she believed that she wasn't capable of being one. So when Axel, starts saying that she'd be perfect, the dream is already there, waiting to be activated by someone who can make it happen. It's not a random event that she just falls into, because she desperately needs the money or she's got nothing better to do. It's something she's always craved, but needed for someone to say, that yeah it's not an outrageous idea. And that's what really makes Axel attractive to Cindy, because he can facilitate her dream, which is the glamorous celebrity lifestyle, that would come with being a successful model. It's not a random occurrence, because the player makes certain choices, it's her previous history, experiences and desires that push her inevitably in that direction. Because that's who she is, and the player can only modify that, by making her hook-up with Ian instead.

Is Cindy really even into Axel? Unless she's having a relationship with Ian, who she's clearly developing feelings for, I think she's still not completely over Wade? And perhaps Axel is just the guy she fucks to try and get past him? If Lena rejects him, then it's clear Axel sees Cindy as a possible replacement for her. But very much, a second class replacement. So I just don't see these hook-ups going anywhere. Because they just don't have the chemistry, that Axel and Lena obviously have, if you allow them to start hooking up again. Ian is clearly supposed to be the 'one' for Cindy (if you allow it to happen) and if you don't, then it will probably be someone else after this game is completed.

What I'm trying to say, is that what went before, is important. And whatever choices you make, you can't wish away the past and the influence that it has on these characters, and will continue to have throughout the remainder of the game. Yes, you can remake Lena and Ian to be closer to what you want, and to a lesser degree the other characters, but what they were before the players start meddling, will always be a factor and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Eva won't throw a spanner in the works, to try to derail the players efforts. Which is clearly the case, with Gillian's return, and the fact she's now going to be working with Ian. So it's not like he can just avoid her. She's going to be there on a regular basis, stirring up old memories. And if you've not allowed Ian to completely disregard his feelings for his ex-girlfriend or you've allowed him to re-connect with her in any way. You just know, that somewhere down the line, she's going to come after Ian.
 
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Depending on previous choices, JeremyxIvy is either 100% happening or not, maybe LenaxIvyxJeremy or LenaxJeremyxIvyxBilly...
Another thing i expect to see is some Drama between a Lena who has shown interest in Billy and Ivy where Lena can steal the spotlight from her by seducing Billy thus ruining her modeling chances or of course just do a photoshoot, get a few drinks then fuck off back home.
Well on my runs Jeremy's chances with Ivy are nil so it's never going to happen on that end.

Unfortunately however, Ian and Ivy at this point are a distant dream and are more and more looking like it will never happen, inspite of EK bullshit claims that 'it will happen'.
 
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Honestly, I have zero confidence with this up and coming 'Billy's Update'. EK is gonna talk it up, "tease" how good it will be, only for it to fall flat on it's face due to the lack of actual creativity. If anyone happens to remember the Tyrone pool party from GGGB, this photoshoot will in essence be an exact copy of that, with very likely a Tyrone Cameo just for shits and giggles and pointless unimaginate storytelling, much like how Jack showed up out of the blue. It will be more of a panderment to cuckolds wanting Ian to get cucked more than anything with Jeremy/Billy/Tyrone?/some random no body. And of course, EK will have my girl Ivy very likely try to hit things off with Billy before our bro Ian ever does, despite the pointless fanservice of late.

-sigh- Where is that cliff...?
 

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Honestly, I have zero confidence with this up and coming 'Billy's Update'. EK is gonna talk it up, "tease" how good it will be, only for it to fall flat on it's face due to the lack of actual creativity. If anyone happens to remember the Tyrone pool party from GGGB, this photoshoot will in essence be an exact copy of that, with very likely a Tyrone Cameo just for shits and giggles and pointless unimaginate storytelling, much like how Jack showed up out of the blue. It will be more of a panderment to cuckolds wanting Ian to get cucked more than anything with Jeremy/Billy/Tyrone?/some random no body. And of course, EK will have my girl Ivy very likely try to hit things off with Billy before our bro Ian ever does, despite the pointless fanservice of late.
I don't think this event being similar to the Tyrone pool party will upset a lot of people.

I rather fear this event will disappoint in a similar manner to the last Seymour section or the beach event. Both were opportunities for great depravity and both turned out much vanilla than anyone had predicted that they would. With the beach trip this mainly came down to only playing Ian's pov and anything exciting became limited to his possible scenes with Emma or slut Holly. With the Seymour trip the whole vibe changed moods, after meeting he comes off as much more cheap for the company he keeps and his sexual scene, or denial of it, makes him come across as much more feeble.

Billy's trip will disappoint, I think, if it's literally just Ivy, Lena, Billy and Jeremy hanging out, if it turns out to be the most vanilla version of what the premise of "Ivy and Lena goes on a trip to a beach house Billy rents" suggests. We await these updates to see how depraved Eva will make the content after all and recently she has shown us that she doesn't actually go that far. Even Emma who is turning into a bit of a sexual glove, fit for many different situations, have some hard boundaries that she can't really be tempted to cross yet.
 
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Is it possible to have a true friendship with female and male characters? In life I don't know which is worse. Men will hit on you even if you are supposed to be friends and women who are so called besties will at the first chance to try to take your man/have already or ruin your happy relationship/marriage out of jealousy.
 
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Is it possible to have a true friendship with female and male characters? In life I don't know which is worse. Men will hit on you even if you are supposed to be friends and women who are so called besties will at the first chance to try to take your man/have already or ruin your happy relationship/marriage out of jealousy.
I'd say it is possible but since it's a game they would want give you the option of starting a romance if you don't want a platonic relationship. In real life it's a bit more complicated. I would still say yes but very often one party would not hesitate to jump in bed with the other if it was offered. As for women friendships I am very clueless lol.
 
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I rather fear this event will disappoint in a similar manner to the last Seymour section or the beach event. Both were opportunities for great depravity and both turned out much vanilla than anyone had predicted that they would.
I think anyone expecting great depravity from this game needs to adjust their expectations in general. From the start, ORS has been more story led and vanilla than GGGB.
 
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I think anyone expecting great depravity from this game needs to adjust their expectations in general. From the start, ORS has been more story led and vanilla than GGGB.
Sadly yes, not wanting a repeat of GGGB (with varying success) led to a tamer game although some plotlines were promising
 
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Is it possible to have a true friendship with female and male characters?
In this game? Sure. Ian can easily interact with every girl and not hit on them, he has various scenes with Lena and Holly just talking about art, career and life. Or hanging out with Emma along Perry and Wade, drinking, playing pool and chatting. Or helping Cindy and Wade in an entirely friendly way (snide remarks incoming). Consequently, they don't flirt with him as soon as they know he isn't interested, with some exceptions like Alison or Gillian.

With Lena, most guys are noticable more forward and only interested in sex, that leaves Ian and his gang (Perry, Wade) and I suppose she can remain friends with Stan, even if she has to turn him down (supposedly he moves on...).

So your fears mostly align with Lena, who barely can have a male friend without drama, but don't with Ian, who can treat every girl just as a friend.
 

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In this game? Sure. Ian can easily interact with every girl and not hit on them, he has various scenes with Lena and Holly just talking about art, career and life. Or hanging out with Emma along Perry and Wade, drinking, playing pool and chatting. Or helping Cindy and Wade in an entirely friendly way (snide remarks incoming). Consequently, they don't flirt with him as soon as they know he isn't interested, with some exceptions like Alison or Gillian.

With Lena, most guys are noticable more forward and only interested in sex, that leaves Ian and his gang (Perry, Wade) and I suppose she can remain friends with Stan, even if she has to turn him down (supposedly he moves on...).

So your fears mostly align with Lena, who barely can have a male friend without drama, but don't with Ian, who can treat every girl just as a friend.
Yeah, Ian's part is so cozy and wholesome.
 

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Yeah, you can stop her from doing all that stuff. But it's clear she's already done it anyway. Ivy and Lena have had lesbian sex in the past, they've done drugs together and they've slept around together. You can try to make her into a different person, but you can can't unmake the past, when she's been clearly very different, under Ivy's influence.
Well, no. The point is that with your choices and prioritizing different attributes you literally define Lena's past. Lena has not slept around together with Ivy if she's Wits based. Heck, she didn't even really sleep around when she's Charisma based, as she doesn't do one-night stands in this scenario, either. Similarly, iirc there's no indication that Lena who refuses to take drugs from Ivy has done it before; much like the choice whether Lena smokes this seems to be applied to Lena's background retro-actively.

Also, Lena had sex with Ivy exactly once, when Ivy was upset/heartbroken over some guy. I think your idea of Ivy corrupting Lena into a huge slut is way off base in most cases (short of player choosing to play very promiscuous Lena themselves) and frankly, i have no clue why you'd cling so much to this idea, seemingly discarding any possibility this is not universal scenario.
 

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Well, no. The point is that with your choices and prioritizing different attributes you literally define Lena's past. Lena has not slept around together with Ivy if she's Wits based. Heck, she didn't even really sleep around when she's Charisma based, as she doesn't do one-night stands in this scenario, either.

Also, Lena had sex with Ivy exactly once, when Ivy was upset/heartbroken over some guy. I think your idea of Ivy corrupting Lena into a huge slut is way off base in most cases (short of player choosing to play very promiscuous Lena themselves) and frankly, i have no clue why you'd cling so much to this idea, seemingly discarding any possibility this is not universal scenario.
It seems that Zara thinks that the Lena she speaks of is a canon whether or not you choose to play her like.
 

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In this game? Sure. Ian can easily interact with every girl and not hit on them, he has various scenes with Lena and Holly just talking about art, career and life. Or hanging out with Emma along Perry and Wade, drinking, playing pool and chatting. Or helping Cindy and Wade in an entirely friendly way (snide remarks incoming). Consequently, they don't flirt with him as soon as they know he isn't interested, with some exceptions like Alison or Gillian.

With Lena, most guys are noticable more forward and only interested in sex, that leaves Ian and his gang (Perry, Wade) and I suppose she can remain friends with Stan, even if she has to turn him down (supposedly he moves on...).

So your fears mostly align with Lena, who barely can have a male friend without drama, but don't with Ian, who can treat every girl just as a friend.
All you said is true except when it comes to Ian and Lena. If Lena and Ian are friends, Ian still has a crush on Lena. Sure he respects her and doesn't hit on her. But he gets jealous when he learns Lena had sex with Robert and can even masturbate to Lena. This only happens with Lena. Ian can be completely platonic with every other girl including Cindy. I guess Ian is just hard coded to have feelings for Lena at least at the beginning.
 
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I personally wouldn't mind muscle mommy Lena. Maybe she could be a wrestler or a gym instructor.
Muscle mommies Lena and Emma reporting for duty.

But seriously, I am slightly disappointed with how little athletics plays into Lena's character. It allows her to do a pole dancing move, once or twice in practice, and to punch Rosa. Neither of which are particularly compelling uses of athletics skill at the moment.

Comments on Lena's appearance don't really change, like they do for Ian, based on her level. So far, she cannot use athletics to earn Posh / bitchy points or money like Ian can with Chad points from various skill checks or money from the tournament. If she's Seymour's muse she'll automatically go to the gym, but she doesn't even make a comment if she already has a high athletics.
 

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My issue with EK's games is that we don't get (nor get to play) a caring male dom to pair with the female LIs, nor a proactive sub to play with Ian. So we only get kinky sex if we play as assholes or as sluts going after assholes (or if we play as cuck Ian, but then we only have Lena to play around as such).

There is much less opportunities for non-vanilla scenes because of this. (and also no after care, which is (among ) the best part(s) of such plays.)
 

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I think anyone expecting great depravity from this game needs to adjust their expectations in general. From the start, ORS has been more story led and vanilla than GGGB.
I don't know about expecting, I think I'm more hoping for something new. Given Eva's kink poll I don't think it's entirely unlikely that something unexpected will happen, but like I said I am presuming that it will more than likely not go as far as it could.
 
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My issue with EK's games is that we don't get (nor get to play) a caring male dom to pair with the female LIs
There're some options for Ian which move him towards dominant attitude with his partners, as opposed to the cuck route. I think this will be developed further and you can pair them with Ian's default caring attitude, so it should provide what you're after..?
 
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