VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Gicoo]

And two of those end with or without the MC's input, you have NO say in it, they will break up.

Which of course is very convenient for the MC, because new girls got available.

I'm not pointing out how every "rival" or male NPC there sucks ass and is there to be a pseudo obstacle for the MC, when in reality they get beaten automatically so everything falls in place of MCs power fantasy.

ORS has its bias toward Ian and Lena, but they still can't fuck everyone without consequences, love interests make demands, break up or cheat if you the MCs don't commit. Other rivals exist and are genuine obstacles you have to overcome with relatively high skills and clever choices. And if the love interests get ignored, they lead their own life and pursue relationships on they own, something that confuses players who got so bleached from your regular power fantasy game (how dare Alison sleep with Jeremy when I make Ian not commit to her, and why isn't Ian having the biggest dick???).

So praising BaD when its a very simple power fantasy game with one chad MC plowing the entire campus with 95% girls only interested in him is not comparable to the character dynamics provided in ORS.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

bro. lena and ian are the MC. of course you're going to see what they're up to. but that does not mean they are more promiscuous than ivy. it feels like you guys just skim through the game and don't read it. ivy is the corrupter. you think someone whose sucking jeremy off in front of his girl, takes holly to a glory hole, tries to convince lena to do only.fan, offers lena drugs, encourages her best friend to just fuck someone to get over axel, tells lena to use her body to get what she wants from the cafe boss, the list goes on. if this is actually what you believe, youre not paying attention to the game.

!) Lena cheats on Ian, knowing full well how badly he was affected by Gillian doing the same, and waits all of a few hours after they start a relationship, before she jumps into bed with Axel.

2) Ian does exactly the same with Cindy, although in his case, he's not merely betraying Lena, but his best friend as well. He lies repeatedly to Wade about what he's actually doing with Cindy, and rather than helping Wade do the right thing, he keeps silent, hoping that Wade will make things worse (he does), so Ian can take her away from him. This is the height of hypocrisy, when you consider how Ian rails against Gillian, for doing the same thing to him.

3) Ian agrees to help Perry with Emma, but then decides to have her for himself instead.

4) He does pretty much the same with Cherry as well, after encouraging Perry to make his own move on her.

5) Oh and he has sex with her, even after Lena tells him, how much she dislikes Cherry and Ian promises that he never will again.

6) Then Lena has sex with Seymour, knowing full well, that he's doing lots of nasty things to exploit the ordinary, hardworking citizens of Baluart.

7) She continues to have sex with Robert, even after Ian has made it clear how much he despises him.

8) She encourages Holly, to have sex with Mark as much as Ivy, and it's her idea, not Ivy's, for Holly to fuck Robert.

9) It's her choice to take drugs, she can still refuse.

10) Lena has sex with Mike, knowing full well he has a girlfriend. She's doing exactly the same thing that Cherry did.

11) She sleeps with her best friend's boyfriend, despite knowing how worried Louise is, that Jeremy might cheat on her with Ivy

12) She also sucks Jeremy off in front of Louise.

13) She has sex with Holly on multiple occasions, and helps Ivy to corrupt her. She knows exactly what Ivy is up to, but makes no attempt to stop it.

14) On some playthroughs Lena steals out of the till, at the cafe, knowing full well that the cafe is struggling financially.

15) She gives Mike or Mark a BJ in the nightclub toilets, whilst Ian is waiting for her outside. She can even do this, immediately after they've just made up and decided to carry on with their relationship. And this can happen on any route, not just the cuck route. She tries to blame the drugs (if she takes them), but the real reason is, she wants to be bad. This scene demonstrates how slutty Lena can be, when she wants to. She's not an innocent girl, and when she gives in to her dark side, she's easily the equal of Ivy, in the ' Bad Girl' stakes.

I reckon I could fill up another page, with all the 'nasty' things that Ian and Lena do in this game, at the expense of friends and loved ones. One thing is certain, you couldn't do the same with Ivy, because you pretty much exhausted all the possibilities above. Yes, Ivy does her fair share of behaving badly, but don't try to make out that Ian and Lena are blameless and saints by comparison, because it's simply not true. Both of them, do far worse than Ivy. They betray each other and their friends, knowing full well, how devastating it is to be on the receiving end. Each of them, tell the other, how bad it was when Axel and Gillian betrayed them, and yet within a few hours, both of them do precisely the same thing. Lena lies, betrays, cheats, steals and plays a big role in corrupting Holly. Whilst Ian, seduces Cindy, betrays Perry, Wade and Lena, leads Holly on and then ignores her, has sex with Cindy, Alison, Emma, Cherry and Minerva, all the while that he's dating Lena, and acting like he's only interested in her. I'm sure I haven't exhausted all the possibilities, but surely you're getting the picture by now.? This idea, that people seem so keen to push, that Ivy is worse than anybody in this game, is simply not bourne out by the actual facts.

 

[Gicoo]

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ORS is from the viewpoint of Ian and Lena, so naturally they appear to be raunchier than a secondary character like Ivy or Jeremy, who are fucking off-screen and whose persepctive we don't have.
All the stuff Ivy makes Holly do? The way Ivy acts, its indicated that she did the same and worse, hence its only an initiation towards her "student/pet". If Holly or Lena would be sluttier than her, she would point it out. When Lena and Ian go out and finds themselves seducing and fucking a hot person, its an exciting event for them. For Ivy and Jeremy? it's tuesdays, they work at a night club, they fuck strangers regularly.

Applying your logic in another case: Ian can beat up Robert twice, beat Milo, subdue Wade, beat some meathead in the first round, start a fight with Axel and Jeremy.
Wen didn't fight anyone in this game. All he did was tricking Jeremy once. Clearly, Ian is stronger and more skilled than Wen. There is no evidence telling us exactly how and why Wen is stronger, according to your logic. But we know it because we can interfer, read the subtext and use our common sense.

 

[Saerwen]

ORS is from the viewpoint of Ian and Lena, so naturally they appear to be raunchier than a secondary character like Ivy or Jeremy, who are fucking off-screen and whose persepctive we don't have.
All the stuff Ivy makes Holly do? The way Ivy acts, its indicated that she did the same and worse, hence its only an initiation towards her "student/pet". If Holly or Lena would be sluttier than her, she would point it out. When Lena and Ian go out and finds themselves seducing and fucking a hot person, its an exciting event for them. For Ivy and Jeremy? it's tuesdays, they work at a night club, they fuck strangers regularly.

Applying your logic in another case: Ian can beat up Robert twice, beat Milo, subdue Wade, beat some meathead in the first round, start a fight with Axel and Jeremy.
Wen didn't fight anyone in this game. All he did was tricking Jeremy once. Clearly, Ian is stronger and more skilled than Wen. There is no evidence telling us exactly how and why Wen is stronger, according to your logic. But we know it because we can interfer, read the subtext and use our common sense.

This recycled conversation will be useless when Ivy starts slutting it up with all characters and prove what we have been saying. Idk why Zara insists that Ivy don't have much content but neither have other female characters. Some have less, some more. All characters have predetermined personality/traits until you start playing and make choices because it's a fucking game.

 

[GibboBtw]

Which of course is very convenient for the MC, because new girls got available.

I'm not pointing out how every "rival" or male NPC there sucks ass and is there to be a pseudo obstacle for the MC, when in reality they get beaten automatically so everything falls in place of MCs power fantasy.

ORS has its bias toward Ian and Lena, but they still can't fuck everyone without consequences, love interests make demands, break up or cheat if you the MCs don't commit. Other rivals exist and are genuine obstacles you have to overcome with relatively high skills and clever choices. And if the love interests get ignored, they lead their own life and pursue relationships on they own, something that confuses players who got so bleached from your regular power fantasy game (how dare Alison sleep with Jeremy when I make Ian not commit to her, and why isn't Ian having the biggest dick???).

So praising BaD when its a very simple power fantasy game with one chad MC plowing the entire campus with 95% girls only interested in him is not comparable to the character dynamics provided in ORS.

Wdym "new girls are available for the MC" one of those two girls is wanted by two of your brothers, so chances are nothing major will be happening with her (he might add a route for her sure, but it'll be really low prio if anything) and the other one...

No...just no...You will not be sleeping/getting with her...that's 100% fact and you would know that if you've ever played the game.

And then, "the entire campus with 95% girls" like...wtf are you talking about?? Do the DIKs, Tri-Alphas, Preps, Nerds and random side characters just not appear in the game for you or what lmao...Honestly the way you're talking, it really seems like you've never even played it, and instead just hate how popular it is.

Calling BADIK a "very simple power fantasy game" is kinda insane as well NGL. It's a brilliant game with some of the best written LI's in any VN, hence why it's so popular.

You really do come off as one of those "AVN hipsters" you find every now and again. Who think that looking down on the most popular and played AVN, somehow makes you smarter and better than the people that play it.

 

[SerHawkes]

Ivy don't have much content but

She doesn't. The vast bulk of her supposed content is simply fan service. 4-5 total scenes in total, all of which very on choice. All of which are Lena-centric. Meanwhile Ian gets fan service and a brief moment of optional grab ass.

EK has a major skill issue when it comes to balancing and handing out content evenly.

 

[Saerwen]

She doesn't. The vast bulk of her supposed content is simply fan service. 4-5 total scenes in total, all of which very on choice. All of which are Lena-centric. Meanwhile Ian gets fan service and a brief moment of optional grab ass.

EK has a major skill issue when it comes to balancing and handing out content evenly.

Ivy and I think Cherry and then Minerva have the least content. I wonder if it's based on girl's popularity poll someone posted before. Is Cindy the most popular among patrons, I can't remember...

 

[Gicoo]

If the next update is on Billys trip, then it would be the most important character progression for Ivy. She is on standstill for most of the game, now her status regarding career and relationships can significantly change.

- Billy as a genuine love interest if he something beyond just a sleazy porno director, rather a free-spirited endearing individual who can match Ivy.
- Progression in her modeling career vs just staying on stalkfap or going straight to porn movies.
- relationship towards Lena can change, either towards partners or even rivals if Lena outdoes her.

Regarding the last point, I dread a repeat of the Tyrone shooting in GGGB, when Ashley and Jessica got on stage and as long as the player makes one simple choice, Ashley overtakes Jessica and gets the spotlight and scene with Tyrone.

If the trip is something comparable, I'd demand it to be much better: Ivy will always come out on top and be the favorite of Billy and Co., unless Lena is prepared for the event: Very high lust and athletics or charisma points, experience in stalkfap, managing a bunch of quick time events. So Lena can outshine Ivy, but it should be hard to do and feel earned, just how Ian can beat hunks a head taller than him if he focused on gym and athletics and made correct choices in rapid quick time events.

 

[SerHawkes]

Ivy and I think Cherry and then Minerva have the least content. I wonder if it's based on girl's popularity poll someone posted before. Is Cindy the most popular among patrons, I can't remember...

The popularity poll doesn't mean jack shit to EK. Ivy was in the top 3rd for quite some time before dropping in favor of Cindy when EK started to ramp up Cinders content and potential. Meanwhile at the time, Ivy was stuck in the middle with Lena centric stuff.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

ORS is from the viewpoint of Ian and Lena, so naturally they appear to be raunchier than a secondary character like Ivy or Jeremy, who are fucking off-screen and whose persepctive we don't have.
All the stuff Ivy makes Holly do? The way Ivy acts, its indicated that she did the same and worse, hence its only an initiation towards her "student/pet". If Holly or Lena would be sluttier than her, she would point it out. When Lena and Ian go out and finds themselves seducing and fucking a hot person, its an exciting event for them. For Ivy and Jeremy? it's tuesdays, they work at a night club, they fuck strangers regularly.

Applying your logic in another case: Ian can beat up Robert twice, beat Milo, subdue Wade, beat some meathead in the first round, start a fight with Axel and Jeremy.
Wen didn't fight anyone in this game. All he did was tricking Jeremy once. Clearly, Ian is stronger and more skilled than Wen. There is no evidence telling us exactly how and why Wen is stronger, according to your logic. But we know it because we can interfer, read the subtext and use our common sense.

The thing is, I've never suggested that Ivy isn't a slutty girl or even that she's less slutty than Lena. All I said, was that within the confines of the game, it's not the case. You're suggesting stuff that happens outside the game, and is perhaps insinuated. But if it's only insinuated, it's not in the game. And the reality is, you have no real evidence that those things happened, you're just making a best guess, based on circumstantial evidence. Whereas, all I'm talking about, is what has actually happened, rather than what may have happened.

Everyone is assuming that Ivy is sleeping around constantly, but there's no evidence of it. Yes, she probably has slept around many many times in the past, but that is outside the actual timeframe of this game. And therefore, you cant say with any degree of certainty, that she's been more promiscuous than Lena or Ian, since the game started. What happened before is irrelevant, because it's not within the game. To determine who is more promiscuous in the game, Ian and Lena or Ivy, you therefore can only include instances that happen in the game. And its clear from that, that both Ian and Lena are being the most promiscuous..

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Just say "can be" instead of "are being", and nobody will argue with you.

It makes no difference. Because whether you play that content or not, it's still in the game. Obviously, if you don't play the game that way, then it's different for you. But that doesn't stop it from being there. And when you're trying to determine who is the most promiscuous person within the game, naturally you don't include routes where the MCs are not being particularly promiscuous, or not at all. Because that won't lead to an accurate analogy.

 

[prpa]

I deleted the comment you replied to because I wasn't in the mood to argue. I hoped no one saw it.

It makes no difference. Because whether you play that content or not, it's still in the game. Obviously, if you don't play the game that way, then it's different for you. But that doesn't stop it from being there. And when you're trying to determine who is the most promiscuous person within the game, naturally you don't include routes where the MCs are not being particularly promiscuous, or not at all. Because that won't lead to an accurate analogy.

Just having that content in the game doesn’t really matter, some people might not even see it. If a player avoids certain routes, especially the ones where the MC's come off as promiscuous, then for them, that’s just not who the characters are.

And dismissing the routes where the MC's aren't promiscuous just because they don’t “fit the analogy” is pretty biased. If anything, ignoring whole parts of the game actually makes your argument weaker.

 

[ffive]

And therefore, you cant say with any degree of certainty, that she's been more promiscuous than Lena or Ian, since the game started. What happened before is irrelevant, because it's not within the game. To determine who is more promiscuous in the game, Ian and Lena or Ivy, you therefore can only include instances that happen in the game.

But what does it matter if Ian or Lena are more or less promiscuous than Ivy within the game? NGL, this is entirely bizarre hill to stage a fight on.

Like, for real. "Lena fucked 5 guys in game while Ivy fucked 3 (or 4, or 5, or 12 or whatever)." OK, and..?

 

[varpep]

Honestly I missed you Zara Last time you were online it was to argue about how Robert was a decent love interest. Now this...never change

 

[Saerwen]

Honestly I missed you Zara Last time you were online it was to argue about how Robert was a decent love interest. Now this...never change

Andrea thought Stan masturbating over Lena's photos was hot and how she wished to see him cumming on Lena.

 

[varpep]

Andrea thought Stan masturbating over Lena's photos was hot and how she wished to see him cumming on Lena.

That woman's fantasies genuinely scare me lol.

 

[Saerwen]

That woman's fantasies genuinely scare me lol.

I do not agree; I think Lena's exhibitionist photo shoot with Stan, ending in his ejaculating over her was the hottest scene after the last Seymour interludes. EK could really take that far....especially if Lena becomes dominant over Louise, coercing her to join in. Remember both girls have seen Stan pumping his penis to Lena's images... that household trio could turn into a pretty depraved environment as an alternative or concurrent path to the LSD arc.

 

[Gicoo]

I thought she bailed out once it became clear that her Lena-Seymour-cucked-by-massive-Dubai-sheiks-self-insert-fanfic-extravaganza didn't pan out and all we got was Seymour simping over Lena in the vanillest way possible.

 

[yuvce]

Andrea thought Stan masturbating over Lena's photos was hot and how she wished to see him cumming on Lena.

That woman's fantasies genuinely scare me lol.

Could you kindly not summon her? I'm enjoying the peace and quiet.

 

[AlphaDlaW]

Lola slander... is sacrilege.
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!) Lena cheats on Ian, knowing full well how badly he was affected by Gillian doing the same, and waits all of a few hours after they start a relationship, before she jumps into bed with Axel.

2) Ian does exactly the same with Cindy, although in his case, he's not merely betraying Lena, but his best friend as well. He lies repeatedly to Wade about what he's actually doing with Cindy, and rather than helping Wade do the right thing, he keeps silent, hoping that Wade will make things worse (he does), so Ian can take her away from him. This is the height of hypocrisy, when you consider how Ian rails against Gillian, for doing the same thing to him.

3) Ian agrees to help Perry with Emma, but then decides to have her for himself instead.

4) He does pretty much the same with Cherry as well, after encouraging Perry to make his own move on her.

5) Oh and he has sex with her, even after Lena tells him, how much she dislikes Cherry and Ian promises that he never will again.

6) Then Lena has sex with Seymour, knowing full well, that he's doing lots of nasty things to exploit the ordinary, hardworking citizens of Baluart.

7) She continues to have sex with Robert, even after Ian has made it clear how much he despises him.

8) She encourages Holly, to have sex with Mark as much as Ivy, and it's her idea, not Ivy's, for Holly to fuck Robert.

9) It's her choice to take drugs, she can still refuse.

10) Lena has sex with Mike, knowing full well he has a girlfriend. She's doing exactly the same thing that Cherry did.

11) She sleeps with her best friend's boyfriend, despite knowing how worried Louise is, that Jeremy might cheat on her with Ivy

12) She also sucks Jeremy off in front of Louise.

13) She has sex with Holly on multiple occasions, and helps Ivy to corrupt her. She knows exactly what Ivy is up to, but makes no attempt to stop it.

14) On some playthroughs Lena steals out of the till, at the cafe, knowing full well that the cafe is struggling financially.

15) She gives Mike or Mark a BJ in the nightclub toilets, whilst Ian is waiting for her outside. She can even do this, immediately after they've just made up and decided to carry on with their relationship. And this can happen on any route, not just the cuck route. She tries to blame the drugs (if she takes them), but the real reason is, she wants to be bad. This scene demonstrates how slutty Lena can be, when she wants to. She's not an innocent girl, and when she gives in to her dark side, she's easily the equal of Ivy, in the ' Bad Girl' stakes.

I reckon I could fill up another page, with all the 'nasty' things that Ian and Lena do in this game, at the expense of friends and loved ones. One thing is certain, you couldn't do the same with Ivy, because you pretty much exhausted all the possibilities above. Yes, Ivy does her fair share of behaving badly, but don't try to make out that Ian and Lena are blameless and saints by comparison, because it's simply not true. Both of them, do far worse than Ivy. They betray each other and their friends, knowing full well, how devastating it is to be on the receiving end. Each of them, tell the other, how bad it was when Axel and Gillian betrayed them, and yet within a few hours, both of them do precisely the same thing. Lena lies, betrays, cheats, steals and plays a big role in corrupting Holly. Whilst Ian, seduces Cindy, betrays Perry, Wade and Lena, leads Holly on and then ignores her, has sex with Cindy, Alison, Emma, Cherry and Minerva, all the while that he's dating Lena, and acting like he's only interested in her. I'm sure I haven't exhausted all the possibilities, but surely you're getting the picture by now.? This idea, that people seem so keen to push, that Ivy is worse than anybody in this game, is simply not bourne out by the actual facts.

one major difference. you as the player control their choices. you made them into that person. lena could be a very sweet af person who doesnt cheat or betray her friends. same with ian. i have multiple paths. some ian is the best friend in the word. others, hes an asshole. you know who doesnt change? ivy lol. ivy is a slut and corrupted. lena and ian can be. there's a difference. and even when they are, they are still behind ivy in that field. again, ian and lena are the MC. youre supposed to see the story mostly from their pov. just because you don't see what ivy is up to, doesnt mean she isnt that person. the story's narrative is telling you that's who ivy is. ivy on a slut scale of 1 to 10 is a 10 lol. lena and ian can also be at a 10 but again, if you decide thats who you want to become. but they can also be a lot lower, unlike ivy, who is always at a 10 no matter what.