VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Gicoo]

too be fair, the direction Seymour is going is wack as fuck, absolutely butchered that route

Absolutely. His appeal was his enigmatic charisma. He had the power, we didn't know what he wanted. The moment he relinquished his power to Lena by confessing that he was simping for her, his entire character shattered.

I get the idea of an older womanizer who has seen it all and has a different mindset than the usual beefcakes like Jack and Axel, but it is very hard to write someone like Seymour compelling, while its not too difficult to create the likes of Jack and Axel.

What are the chances she was actually a Dubai Shiekh?

More like a girl wanting to get dominated and seduced into the elites world by a debauched Dubai Shiekh.

 

[Xupuzulla]

too be fair, the direction Seymour is going is wack as fuck, absolutely butchered that route

Yeah that Seymour update is awful,even if EK has some twist saved from him that doenst change the fact that he looks weak and desperate on that part of the game.
So sad,he deserved more.

 

[Gicoo]

Unless Eva is lying, the whole Seymour fiasco is pretty dispiriting for the game. They constantly highlighted how they had plans for him, build him up as the games big antagonist, he is also from the design a far different kind of love interest than the other men - experienced, wise, old, but also not a simple lusty geezer like Arthur or Ed. Whenever he ranked low in the character polls, Eva noted their displeasure, since they wanted him to succeed. So considering all the effort put into him and how the entire audience is (rightfully) entirely uninterested or disappointed in him, could have been a huge impact on Evas enthusiasm for the game.

I wonder the opposite of Stan, a character who barely had a role in the game, but the audience demanded him to be more involved and he won first place in a fan contest that just increased the demand. Then he got a do-over and lot's of additional scenes, more than everyone, but in contrast to Seymour, it seems to be that Eva didn't care much about him and wasn't confident in what to do with him, clumsily giving him a voyeur and pity plotline that didn't line up with Lena's usual taste in men and refused to give him good qualities, making Lena fall for him even more inconsistent.

 

[Gicoo]

Do you want to wear them yourself or what?

It is as combination of intimacy and debauchery. Her string is closer to her genitals and juicy ass than anything else attached to her. It is permeated in her sweat, pheromones, estrogen and vaginal extractions. Just stripping it off her alone would be an act of dissolving that bond, anticipating for myself to replace that string and take its place.

 

[stuffygames]

Stan is the underdog, and probably a lot more like most of the people that play this game than Seymour is. In the end Seymour is just like Ed and Arthur, he just has more status and money. Maybe a mistake in the writing, but I found him to be an intolerable windbag, and Lena's complete flip if she gave into him was just way out of character for her imo. Didn't matter if she was pure slut or completely into Ian, she just "tastes" a little of the good life and she becomes a vapid bitch.

I still think he's the major villain, if she refuses he manipulates everyone, ala he can't have her no one will. Plus, who else could be the villain? Ivy? Actually, Ivy and Seymour suit each other !

 

[RiscoFrisco]

I just think someone just needs to let EK know how dates work

 

[BlandChili]

I just think someone just needs to let EK know how dates work

1. You invite someone out and give them a cute lil' gift before heading out.
2. Then you take them to a nice location where you can get to know each other.
3. Finally you bring them to some obscure place, a bathroom stall, a car on a hill overlooking town or the space underneath a bridge for example.
4. Then you bang furiously until the sun comes up.

 

[punisher33]

1. You invite someone out and give them a cute lil' gift before heading out.
2. Then you take them to a nice location where you can get to know each other.
3. Finally you bring them to some obscure place, a bathroom stall, a car on a hill overlooking town or the space underneath a bridge for example.
4. Then you bang furiously until the sun comes up.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Unless Eva is lying, the whole Seymour fiasco is pretty dispiriting for the game. They constantly highlighted how they had plans for him, build him up as the games big antagonist, he is also from the design a far different kind of love interest than the other men - experienced, wise, old, but also not a simple lusty geezer like Arthur or Ed. Whenever he ranked low in the character polls, Eva noted their displeasure, since they wanted him to succeed. So considering all the effort put into him and how the entire audience is (rightfully) entirely uninterested or disappointed in him, could have been a huge impact on Evas enthusiasm for the game.

I wonder the opposite of Stan, a character who barely had a role in the game, but the audience demanded him to be more involved and he won first place in a fan contest that just increased the demand. Then he got a do-over and lot's of additional scenes, more than everyone, but in contrast to Seymour, it seems to be that Eva didn't care much about him and wasn't confident in what to do with him, clumsily giving him a voyeur and pity plotline that didn't line up with Lena's usual taste in men and refused to give him good qualities, making Lena fall for him even more inconsistent.

It honestly makes sense. Seymour ending up a sad caricature of a sugar daddy is fucking tragic and feels almost like she decided to set fire to her own damn scenario.

I just think It's much easier for her to use Lena as a catalyzer for different fetishes and for that it's simpler to keep her 'around' most other characters.

Seymour is fairly separated from the rest so you can't slap a new fetish on Lena with him.

 

[WestSide23]

...people actually like Seymour ?

I just ignored him on a first run but the constant being broke thing got really annoying, so now I just give him a few photoshoots and skim through the Nietzschean CEO drivel to build up a bank, then promptly drop him when he forgets his place lol

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

...people actually like Seymour ?

I don't like him necessarily but game needs an antagonist and the character had a nice design for that role.

Plus I don't really like Lena's side cuz it's hella tame, every 'LI' throw themselves at her World War Z style so it's kinda nice that there's a character that creates dilemma for her.

 

[RiscoFrisco]

1. You invite someone out and give them a cute lil' gift before heading out.
2. Then you take them to a nice location where you can get to know each other.
3. Finally you bring them to some obscure place, a bathroom stall, a car on a hill overlooking town or the space underneath a bridge for example.
4. Then you bang furiously until the sun comes up.

I meant the dates in a calendar but i like how you think

 

[Ray_D]

Stan is the underdog

 

[Turret]

So considering all the effort put into him and how the entire audience is (rightfully) entirely uninterested or disappointed in him, could have been a huge impact on Evas enthusiasm for the game.

Hardly the "entire" audience!
For example, Doom and me always predicted something happening like this, that Seymour is not the antagonist most players presumed. He might be the antagonist in several paths, but not all. When Eva presented Seymour as the main antagonist, I theorise far too many players expected a moustache twirler, whom he was not intended to from the start. I also think during development some changes happened, because on the paths where you have good relations with Seymour he is not an antagonist at all.
It is pretty clear Seymour is one the major characters for the game, whereas Stan is an augmented extra due to some patrons wishes. It is pretty visible that Stan was intended as a side character, maybe some "odd living together" comic relief included, not more by Eva.

 

[Terry Zimmerman]

Are you talking about the guy who manipulated an entire town to make her desperate so he could fuck her? That guy isn’t the antagonist? The one with the ominous music playing? The one people in town are losing their jobs to? That guy isn’t the villain? The pretentious old guy who cites cheap philosophy to sleep with a twenty-something girl and then forces her to become his personal prostitute? There is no way he isn't a bad guy.

 

[SerHawkes]

Some people are skill challenged at basic understanding of simple things.

Guy blackmails everyone, freezes jobs for Lena, snoops into her finances and personal situation, just to have her work for him or else threatens to make her life difficult. To the simple minded people like Durret and others, he's the good guy and idolize him. Likely having a GILF fetish while also liking old man cock I guess.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

I theorise far too many players expected a moustache twirler, whom he was not intended to from the start.

Seymour had a delayed introduction where he effectively fucked everyone up, messed with people's jobs, blackmailed Lena's photographers into backing off and effectively 'forced' Lena's hand into meeting him. Every single character with morals in ORS lore described him as a scumbag. He is the closest thing to a goddamn moustache twirler.

because on the paths where you have good relations with Seymour he is not an antagonist at all.

Yes, because there were supposed to be concessions in dealing with him. He ain't supposed to be the mellow simp he turned out to be but here we are.

 

[Gicoo]

For example, Doom and me always predicted something happening like this, that Seymour is not the antagonist most players presumed.

Eva confirmed he is the antagonist, even bad guy and villain. Sure, he is affable if Lena and Ian side with him, but that makes them assholes as well. No one demanded an antagonist to be mustache twirling, its common that they can have a caring side and be beneficial for a selected few.

Seymours state as an antagonist never changed, its consistent. What changed was the power dynamic between him and Lena, even though it shouldn't have.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Eva confirmed he is the antagonist, even bad guy and villain. Sure, he is affable if Lena and Ian side with him, but that makes them assholes as well. No one demanded an antagonist to be mustache twirling, its common that they can have a caring side and be beneficial for a selected few.

Seymours state as an antagonist never changed, its consistent. What changed was the power dynamic between him and Lena, even though it shouldn't have.

Let's not forget that this dude is possibly going to be involved in the upcoming mayoral race. Either as a candidate, or as a behind the scenes conspirator to take down Perry's father's campaign. He's also one of the main reasons why the city is dealing with worse gentrification. Using legal means to take down other businesses by playing the long game and bankrupting them, getting them to either sell to him or someone else, and then just buy it up for cheap. Remodel and rake in the moolah.

He is 100% an antagonist. Just because he's nice to Ian because Ian is an aspiring writer (like Seymour was, once upon a time) doesn't mean he's a good guy. It's strongly implied that the dude will be involved in affecting the end result of the book competition. (More than once, btw!) And to make matters worse, he's going after Lena as a tame yandere in the attempt of getting her as his personal cumdump, or destroy any hopes she may have of making it as either a Model or as a Guitar player if she refuses.

He's not a calculated moustache twirling villain. He's a realistic evil with his own passions, goals and ambitions. He's an old man who has everything he wants and he always gets what he wants. Isolating Lena's job opportunities in order to monopolise them and effectively have her as an indentured servant is EVIL! That's not good at all, that's downright predatory and just a step away from grooming. (Note their age gap)

He's the reverse Axel. Axel is more physically threatening and intimidating: he's a tank and bruiser and willing to pound someone to death if it meant getting his way. Seymour is a rich prick who is not physically intimidating, he's pretty average body wise. But it's his personality, demeanour and connections that make him a threat. He doesn't lash out aggressively like Axel, he seethes in rage and then acts from the comfort of home/safety.

 

[Nifferman]

Let's not forget that this dude is possibly going to be involved in the upcoming mayoral race. Either as a candidate, or as a behind the scenes conspirator to take down Perry's father's campaign. He's also one of the main reasons why the city is dealing with worse gentrification. Using legal means to take down other businesses by playing the long game and bankrupting them, getting them to either sell to him or someone else, and then just buy it up for cheap. Remodel and rake in the moolah.

He is 100% an antagonist. Just because he's nice to Ian because Ian is an aspiring writer (like Seymour was, once upon a time) doesn't mean he's a good guy. It's strongly implied that the dude will be involved in affecting the end result of the book competition. (More than once, btw!) And to make matters worse, he's going after Lena as a tame yandere in the attempt of getting her as his personal cumdump, or destroy any hopes she may have of making it as either a Model or as a Guitar player if she refuses.

He's not a calculated moustache twirling villain. He's a realistic evil with his own passions, goals and ambitions. He's an old man who has everything he wants and he always gets what he wants. Isolating Lena's job opportunities in order to monopolise them and effectively have her as an indentured servant is EVIL! That's not good at all, that's downright predatory and just a step away from grooming. (Note their age gap)

He's the reverse Axel. Axel is more physically threatening and intimidating: he's a tank and bruiser and willing to pound someone to death if it meant getting his way. Seymour is a rich prick who is not physically intimidating, he's pretty average body wise. But it's his personality, demeanour and connections that make him a threat. He doesn't lash out aggressively like Axel, he seethes in rage and then acts from the comfort of home/safety.

True, Seymore is way worse than Axel is and would ever be.