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Are you talking about the guy who manipulated an entire town to make her desperate so he could fuck her? That guy isn’t the antagonist? The one with the ominous music playing? The one people in town are losing their jobs to? That guy isn’t the villain? The pretentious old guy who cites cheap philosophy to sleep with a twenty-something girl and then forces her to become his personal prostitute? There is no way he isn't a bad guy.
Seymour had a delayed introduction where he effectively fucked everyone up, messed with people's jobs, blackmailed Lena's photographers into backing off and effectively 'forced' Lena's hand into meeting him. Every single character with morals in ORS lore described him as a scumbag. He is the closest thing to a goddamn moustache twirler.

Yes, because there were supposed to be concessions in dealing with him. He ain't supposed to be the mellow simp he turned out to be but here we are.
Eva confirmed he is the antagonist, even bad guy and villain. Sure, he is affable if Lena and Ian side with him, but that makes them assholes as well. No one demanded an antagonist to be mustache twirling, its common that they can have a caring side and be beneficial for a selected few.

Seymours state as an antagonist never changed, its consistent. What changed was the power dynamic between him and Lena, even though it shouldn't have.
Hi guys, discussion running, target bullseyed!:)

First off: Pardon, but if you look through the thread and listen to a couple patrons what they whine about Seymour, it is pretty clear most expected a moustache twirler! Just remember the stupid discussion about Lena being sold to a sheik.

Terry, I am sorry to have to tell you there are paths in the game, where this does not happen. On the contrary, on some paths Seymour saves the Cafe, shoulders expensive medical bills he had no need to and was not even expected to do so, just for example. He can do good if he wants to.
Seymour is not a beaming hero, he is cunning, clever, likes to have his "personalised deck to play" and has few qualms about seizing his advantage, but that is hardly worse than an average businessman. On most paths he is that main antagonist, that is true, but not all evil (as seems many players believed) and on several paths he is hardly an antagonist.

Someone mentioned the mayor election. Yes, Seymour tries to get a candidate through he prefers for his business, being a grey eminence. To be cynical, that is not worse than what has become the norm in our democracies in the last years, that parties bring incompetent losers into cushy positions due to party membership. To be blunt, Perry for all his faults hints several times that his father is not a very successful mayor. Seymour jumping on the ship of the candidate which will probably win is opportunistic, but not dumb.
 

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I don't see him as a pure villain, but rather a different shade of grey, as there are pros and cons to both accepting his help or siding against him.
 
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Andrea isn't a character in either game. She was a user who frequented this thread some time ago, and was adamantly pushing the "Seymour will sell Lena to a Dubai sheikh" narrative. Thank fuck she left.
Aw, come on man. Andrea wanted to live her fantasies through that scenario. Not all women have the privilege to travel to Dubai, party at the beach, shopping and meet some good looking billionaire and get married like some. :cautious:
 
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True, Seymore is way worse than Axel is and would ever be.
Of course he is. Rich and wealthy people are the ones who can easily destroy your entire life, I mean some of them think that the rest of us are peasants.
 

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Of course he is. Rich and wealthy people are the ones who can easily destroy your entire life, I mean some of them think that the rest of us are peasants.
You forget the worst part. All they have to do is pay money to get away from any of the consequences. As Beluart is set in the USA, the justice system would more than likely be in a person like Seymour's deep pockets. So even if they commit a non-felony, they can just pay some money and off they go free. And good luck getting them charged with any sort of felony at all, especially if you get a corrupt DA on your side.
 
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It does feel like EK is frustrated by Seymour not being more popular and she doenst know what to do with him anymore...
Maybe Andrea was right and you needed to go full Dubai shit on that route,Evakiss:whistle:
 

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I don't see him as a pure villain, but rather a different shade of grey, as there are pros and cons to both accepting his help or siding against him.
Exactly!

As Beluart is set in the USA, the justice system would more than likely be in a person like Seymour's deep pockets
Sorry, that is incorrect. Baluart is a fictional city somewhere in Spain, probably Extremadura, Toledo, Valladolid or some other central region, since that would fit with the travel time they have to the coast for the weekend getaway.
 
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It does feel like EK is frustrated by Seymour not being more popular and she doenst know what to do with him anymore...
Maybe Andrea was right and you needed to go full Dubai shit on that route,Evakiss:whistle:
Nah, I think his route is pretty clear he will want you as a trophy wife / muse kind of deal if you actually agree to go with him with some variations if you are posh, in an NTR relationship with Ian, dominant / sub... And I am hoping there is also the option to go along with him but dump him at some point when he is no longer useful and go with your real couple.
 
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Exactly!

Sorry, that is incorrect. Baluart is a fictional city somewhere in Spain, probably Extremadura, Toledo, Valladolid or some other central region, since that would fit with the travel time they have to the coast for the weekend getaway.
Or...It could be a Portland knockoff? Maybe even something from the UK.

Besides if it truly was Spain, why do people there have such American/British-centric names?

Jeremy. Lena. Ian. Axel, Ivy, Stan, Emma, Gillian, Cindy, Robert, Arthur?

Besides some French names like Louise and Marcel, there are practically no Iberian/Latino names there at all.
 

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Baluart is clearly a Euro city,the setting and vibe of the game does feels like a mix of European and American culture through,like the names Yellowie pointed out.
 
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Sorry, that is incorrect. Baluart is a fictional city somewhere in Spain, probably Extremadura, Toledo, Valladolid or some other central region, since that would fit with the travel time they have to the coast for the weekend getaway.
Deep pockets and political connections help you with legal issues probably anywhere in the world. Spain is certainly part of the rule, not the exception.
 

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I suppose Baluart is designed to be an ambiguous city; it could easily be an American or a European city. Some things we know about the city:

- It's a university city, with a strong focus on arts and culture.

- It's a medium-sized city, but an economic and cultural engine for the region (Lena's parents live in another city, and Lena and Ivy moved to Baluart as soon as they could).

- It has high-speed trains and is well connected to other cities.

- It's a few hours from the coast.

- It has large green areas, and the characters don't need to use the car.
 

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Or...It could be a Portland knockoff? Maybe even something from the UK.

Besides if it truly was Spain, why do people there have such American/British-centric names?

Jeremy. Lena. Ian. Axel, Ivy, Stan, Emma, Gillian, Cindy, Robert, Arthur?

Besides some French names like Louise and Marcel, there are practically no Iberian/Latino names there at all.
those are germanic,slavic or greek names brother not American/british
 
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I suppose Baluart is designed to be an ambiguous city; it could easily be an American or a European city. Some things we know about the city:

- It's a university city, with a strong focus on arts and culture.

- It's a medium-sized city, but an economic and cultural engine for the region (Lena's parents live in another city, and Lena and Ivy moved to Baluart as soon as they could).

- It has high-speed trains and is well connected to other cities.

- It's a few hours from the coast.

- It has large green areas, and the characters don't need to use the car.
Yeah based on that information, it's possible that it's somewhere in the UK. It's the melting pot of Europe with the most diverse groups of people. It would also explain the more obvious British-centric names like Arthur, Robert, Cindy and Wade.
 

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Or...It could be a Portland knockoff? Maybe even something from the UK.
Besides if it truly was Spain, why do people there have such American/British-centric names?
Jeremy. Lena. Ian. Axel, Ivy, Stan, Emma, Gillian, Cindy, Robert, Arthur?
Besides some French names like Louise and Marcel, there are practically no Iberian/Latino names there at all.
Hi! The names (which are less America/British centric than you think, these are from Germanic, Greek, Slavic, Latin stock) were taken for an international player base, but Baluart is very much a middle-sized university city in Spain. Not near the top centers like Madrid, Barcelona or Sevilla, but the regional home hot spot somewhere in central Spain. I mentioned some regions which are very probable like the Extremadura or Valladolid.
In addition we have some characters which are clearly based on Spanish people. Seymour is like a composite of Mariano Rajoy/Jonathan Goldsmith or the mayor candidate is a Pedro Sanchez lookalike and I would bet that Perry´s father is based on a regional governor.
 
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He's the reverse Axel. Axel is more physically threatening and intimidating: he's a tank and bruiser and willing to pound someone to death if it meant getting his way. Seymour is a rich prick who is not physically intimidating, he's pretty average body wise. But it's his personality, demeanour and connections that make him a threat. He doesn't lash out aggressively like Axel, he seethes in rage and then acts from the comfort of home/safety.
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"Pound" huh? Interesting choice of phrasing.

Seymour is a villain there is no doubt about it, I think his lameness actually makes him a more dangerous villain because he is potebtially underestimated in what amd how he can destroy the characters.

I wouldn't be surprised given his connection to incestous Arthur, that the "house party" he has Billy invite Lena, Ivy and Jess is, is actually his idea and a ploy to blackmail Lena into porn.

Yeah based on that information, it's possible that it's somewhere in the UK. It's the melting pot of Europe with the most diverse groups of people. It would also explain the more obvious British-centric names like Arthur, Robert, Cindy and Wade.
Baluart is definifely not in a fictional America. The architecture alone and existence of high speed trains negates that.

More like a fictional Iberia, where people speak English and have more English sounding names.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised given his connection to incestous Arthur, that the "house party" he has Billy invite Lena, Ivy and Jess is, is actually his idea and a ploy to blackmail Lena into porn.
That'd be quite a bit of unnecessary stretch on routes where Lena was already doing Stalkfap and Seymour made her shut that down. If he wanted her to do porn he could've just put himself in the role of director of her orgasms, not just the architect. :whistle:
 
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I wouldn't be surprised given his connection to incestous Arthur, that the "house party" he has Billy invite Lena, Ivy and Jess is, is actually his idea and a ploy to blackmail Lena into porn.
How exactly? Not only his contract with Lena is ended and he cut off ties with her, Seymour have nothing on Lena to blackmail her. In fact, Lena might be curious to do it on her own. Besides having a Stalkfap, she can already do amateur web camming which is more interesting than filming porn. We already have Ashley for that.
 

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That'd be quite a bit of unnecessary stretch on routes where Lena was already doing Stalkfap and Seymour made her shut that down. If he wanted her to do porn he could've just put himself in the role of director of her orgasms, not just the architect. :whistle:
Yeah, I agree. It's clear that he's more interested in a hot trophy wife. One that's smart and knows how to keep her mouth shut and stuffed with his wiener. It also makes complete sense too, because he isolates her from any job opportunities to grow her career, forcing her to rely on him. And for the most part, what she does is less of a 'job' and more of a sort of forced prostitution. It's way more depraved than Stalkfap (Lena's choice) or the Nude Modelling she did with Beta Photographer (can't remember name) and the Gallery. Both of those modelling opportunities are entirely artistic and not meant for depravity. (I'm sure some losers still go there for it, but it's not lewd in nature. No different than Renaissance paintings of women.)
 
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