VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[punisher33]

1. You invite someone out and give them a cute lil' gift before heading out.
2. Then you take them to a nice location where you can get to know each other.
3. Finally you bring them to some obscure place, a bathroom stall, a car on a hill overlooking town or the space underneath a bridge for example.
4. Then you bang furiously until the sun comes up.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Unless Eva is lying, the whole Seymour fiasco is pretty dispiriting for the game. They constantly highlighted how they had plans for him, build him up as the games big antagonist, he is also from the design a far different kind of love interest than the other men - experienced, wise, old, but also not a simple lusty geezer like Arthur or Ed. Whenever he ranked low in the character polls, Eva noted their displeasure, since they wanted him to succeed. So considering all the effort put into him and how the entire audience is (rightfully) entirely uninterested or disappointed in him, could have been a huge impact on Evas enthusiasm for the game.

I wonder the opposite of Stan, a character who barely had a role in the game, but the audience demanded him to be more involved and he won first place in a fan contest that just increased the demand. Then he got a do-over and lot's of additional scenes, more than everyone, but in contrast to Seymour, it seems to be that Eva didn't care much about him and wasn't confident in what to do with him, clumsily giving him a voyeur and pity plotline that didn't line up with Lena's usual taste in men and refused to give him good qualities, making Lena fall for him even more inconsistent.

It honestly makes sense. Seymour ending up a sad caricature of a sugar daddy is fucking tragic and feels almost like she decided to set fire to her own damn scenario.

I just think It's much easier for her to use Lena as a catalyzer for different fetishes and for that it's simpler to keep her 'around' most other characters.

Seymour is fairly separated from the rest so you can't slap a new fetish on Lena with him.

 

[WestSide23]

...people actually like Seymour ?

I just ignored him on a first run but the constant being broke thing got really annoying, so now I just give him a few photoshoots and skim through the Nietzschean CEO drivel to build up a bank, then promptly drop him when he forgets his place lol

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

...people actually like Seymour ?

I don't like him necessarily but game needs an antagonist and the character had a nice design for that role.

Plus I don't really like Lena's side cuz it's hella tame, every 'LI' throw themselves at her World War Z style so it's kinda nice that there's a character that creates dilemma for her.

 

[RiscoFrisco]

1. You invite someone out and give them a cute lil' gift before heading out.
2. Then you take them to a nice location where you can get to know each other.
3. Finally you bring them to some obscure place, a bathroom stall, a car on a hill overlooking town or the space underneath a bridge for example.
4. Then you bang furiously until the sun comes up.

I meant the dates in a calendar but i like how you think

 

[Ray_D]

Stan is the underdog

 

[Turret]

So considering all the effort put into him and how the entire audience is (rightfully) entirely uninterested or disappointed in him, could have been a huge impact on Evas enthusiasm for the game.

Hardly the "entire" audience!
For example, Doom and me always predicted something happening like this, that Seymour is not the antagonist most players presumed. He might be the antagonist in several paths, but not all. When Eva presented Seymour as the main antagonist, I theorise far too many players expected a moustache twirler, whom he was not intended to from the start. I also think during development some changes happened, because on the paths where you have good relations with Seymour he is not an antagonist at all.
It is pretty clear Seymour is one the major characters for the game, whereas Stan is an augmented extra due to some patrons wishes. It is pretty visible that Stan was intended as a side character, maybe some "odd living together" comic relief included, not more by Eva.

 

[Terry Zimmerman]

Are you talking about the guy who manipulated an entire town to make her desperate so he could fuck her? That guy isn’t the antagonist? The one with the ominous music playing? The one people in town are losing their jobs to? That guy isn’t the villain? The pretentious old guy who cites cheap philosophy to sleep with a twenty-something girl and then forces her to become his personal prostitute? There is no way he isn't a bad guy.

 

[SerHawkes]

Some people are skill challenged at basic understanding of simple things.

Guy blackmails everyone, freezes jobs for Lena, snoops into her finances and personal situation, just to have her work for him or else threatens to make her life difficult. To the simple minded people like Durret and others, he's the good guy and idolize him. Likely having a GILF fetish while also liking old man cock I guess.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

I theorise far too many players expected a moustache twirler, whom he was not intended to from the start.

Seymour had a delayed introduction where he effectively fucked everyone up, messed with people's jobs, blackmailed Lena's photographers into backing off and effectively 'forced' Lena's hand into meeting him. Every single character with morals in ORS lore described him as a scumbag. He is the closest thing to a goddamn moustache twirler.

because on the paths where you have good relations with Seymour he is not an antagonist at all.

Yes, because there were supposed to be concessions in dealing with him. He ain't supposed to be the mellow simp he turned out to be but here we are.

 

[Gicoo]

For example, Doom and me always predicted something happening like this, that Seymour is not the antagonist most players presumed.

Eva confirmed he is the antagonist, even bad guy and villain. Sure, he is affable if Lena and Ian side with him, but that makes them assholes as well. No one demanded an antagonist to be mustache twirling, its common that they can have a caring side and be beneficial for a selected few.

Seymours state as an antagonist never changed, its consistent. What changed was the power dynamic between him and Lena, even though it shouldn't have.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Eva confirmed he is the antagonist, even bad guy and villain. Sure, he is affable if Lena and Ian side with him, but that makes them assholes as well. No one demanded an antagonist to be mustache twirling, its common that they can have a caring side and be beneficial for a selected few.

Seymours state as an antagonist never changed, its consistent. What changed was the power dynamic between him and Lena, even though it shouldn't have.

Let's not forget that this dude is possibly going to be involved in the upcoming mayoral race. Either as a candidate, or as a behind the scenes conspirator to take down Perry's father's campaign. He's also one of the main reasons why the city is dealing with worse gentrification. Using legal means to take down other businesses by playing the long game and bankrupting them, getting them to either sell to him or someone else, and then just buy it up for cheap. Remodel and rake in the moolah.

He is 100% an antagonist. Just because he's nice to Ian because Ian is an aspiring writer (like Seymour was, once upon a time) doesn't mean he's a good guy. It's strongly implied that the dude will be involved in affecting the end result of the book competition. (More than once, btw!) And to make matters worse, he's going after Lena as a tame yandere in the attempt of getting her as his personal cumdump, or destroy any hopes she may have of making it as either a Model or as a Guitar player if she refuses.

He's not a calculated moustache twirling villain. He's a realistic evil with his own passions, goals and ambitions. He's an old man who has everything he wants and he always gets what he wants. Isolating Lena's job opportunities in order to monopolise them and effectively have her as an indentured servant is EVIL! That's not good at all, that's downright predatory and just a step away from grooming. (Note their age gap)

He's the reverse Axel. Axel is more physically threatening and intimidating: he's a tank and bruiser and willing to pound someone to death if it meant getting his way. Seymour is a rich prick who is not physically intimidating, he's pretty average body wise. But it's his personality, demeanour and connections that make him a threat. He doesn't lash out aggressively like Axel, he seethes in rage and then acts from the comfort of home/safety.

 

[Nifferman]

Let's not forget that this dude is possibly going to be involved in the upcoming mayoral race. Either as a candidate, or as a behind the scenes conspirator to take down Perry's father's campaign. He's also one of the main reasons why the city is dealing with worse gentrification. Using legal means to take down other businesses by playing the long game and bankrupting them, getting them to either sell to him or someone else, and then just buy it up for cheap. Remodel and rake in the moolah.

He is 100% an antagonist. Just because he's nice to Ian because Ian is an aspiring writer (like Seymour was, once upon a time) doesn't mean he's a good guy. It's strongly implied that the dude will be involved in affecting the end result of the book competition. (More than once, btw!) And to make matters worse, he's going after Lena as a tame yandere in the attempt of getting her as his personal cumdump, or destroy any hopes she may have of making it as either a Model or as a Guitar player if she refuses.

He's not a calculated moustache twirling villain. He's a realistic evil with his own passions, goals and ambitions. He's an old man who has everything he wants and he always gets what he wants. Isolating Lena's job opportunities in order to monopolise them and effectively have her as an indentured servant is EVIL! That's not good at all, that's downright predatory and just a step away from grooming. (Note their age gap)

He's the reverse Axel. Axel is more physically threatening and intimidating: he's a tank and bruiser and willing to pound someone to death if it meant getting his way. Seymour is a rich prick who is not physically intimidating, he's pretty average body wise. But it's his personality, demeanour and connections that make him a threat. He doesn't lash out aggressively like Axel, he seethes in rage and then acts from the comfort of home/safety.

True, Seymore is way worse than Axel is and would ever be.

 

[Turret]

Are you talking about the guy who manipulated an entire town to make her desperate so he could fuck her? That guy isn’t the antagonist? The one with the ominous music playing? The one people in town are losing their jobs to? That guy isn’t the villain? The pretentious old guy who cites cheap philosophy to sleep with a twenty-something girl and then forces her to become his personal prostitute? There is no way he isn't a bad guy.

Seymour had a delayed introduction where he effectively fucked everyone up, messed with people's jobs, blackmailed Lena's photographers into backing off and effectively 'forced' Lena's hand into meeting him. Every single character with morals in ORS lore described him as a scumbag. He is the closest thing to a goddamn moustache twirler.

Yes, because there were supposed to be concessions in dealing with him. He ain't supposed to be the mellow simp he turned out to be but here we are.

Eva confirmed he is the antagonist, even bad guy and villain. Sure, he is affable if Lena and Ian side with him, but that makes them assholes as well. No one demanded an antagonist to be mustache twirling, its common that they can have a caring side and be beneficial for a selected few.

Seymours state as an antagonist never changed, its consistent. What changed was the power dynamic between him and Lena, even though it shouldn't have.

Hi guys, discussion running, target bullseyed!

First off: Pardon, but if you look through the thread and listen to a couple patrons what they whine about Seymour, it is pretty clear most expected a moustache twirler! Just remember the stupid discussion about Lena being sold to a sheik.

Terry, I am sorry to have to tell you there are paths in the game, where this does not happen. On the contrary, on some paths Seymour saves the Cafe, shoulders expensive medical bills he had no need to and was not even expected to do so, just for example. He can do good if he wants to.
Seymour is not a beaming hero, he is cunning, clever, likes to have his "personalised deck to play" and has few qualms about seizing his advantage, but that is hardly worse than an average businessman. On most paths he is that main antagonist, that is true, but not all evil (as seems many players believed) and on several paths he is hardly an antagonist.

Someone mentioned the mayor election. Yes, Seymour tries to get a candidate through he prefers for his business, being a grey eminence. To be cynical, that is not worse than what has become the norm in our democracies in the last years, that parties bring incompetent losers into cushy positions due to party membership. To be blunt, Perry for all his faults hints several times that his father is not a very successful mayor. Seymour jumping on the ship of the candidate which will probably win is opportunistic, but not dumb.

 

[Meiri]

I don't see him as a pure villain, but rather a different shade of grey, as there are pros and cons to both accepting his help or siding against him.

 

[Saerwen]

Andrea isn't a character in either game. She was a user who frequented this thread some time ago, and was adamantly pushing the "Seymour will sell Lena to a Dubai sheikh" narrative. Thank fuck she left.

Aw, come on man. Andrea wanted to live her fantasies through that scenario. Not all women have the privilege to travel to Dubai, party at the beach, shopping and meet some good looking billionaire and get married like some.

 

[Saerwen]

True, Seymore is way worse than Axel is and would ever be.

Of course he is. Rich and wealthy people are the ones who can easily destroy your entire life, I mean some of them think that the rest of us are peasants.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Of course he is. Rich and wealthy people are the ones who can easily destroy your entire life, I mean some of them think that the rest of us are peasants.

You forget the worst part. All they have to do is pay money to get away from any of the consequences. As Beluart is set in the USA, the justice system would more than likely be in a person like Seymour's deep pockets. So even if they commit a non-felony, they can just pay some money and off they go free. And good luck getting them charged with any sort of felony at all, especially if you get a corrupt DA on your side.

 

[Xupuzulla]

It does feel like EK is frustrated by Seymour not being more popular and she doenst know what to do with him anymore...
Maybe Andrea was right and you needed to go full Dubai shit on that route,Evakiss

 

[Turret]

I don't see him as a pure villain, but rather a different shade of grey, as there are pros and cons to both accepting his help or siding against him.

Exactly!

As Beluart is set in the USA, the justice system would more than likely be in a person like Seymour's deep pockets

Sorry, that is incorrect. Baluart is a fictional city somewhere in Spain, probably Extremadura, Toledo, Valladolid or some other central region, since that would fit with the travel time they have to the coast for the weekend getaway.