VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[bauman]

Well, it took her 1,5 months to make 2 scenes out of 12. So, she'll need at least 9 months to finish the updated, which is about February or March 2023.
A great game, but unfortunately another developer got rich and lazy. I mean how many times we have heard this bullshit from developers? Hundreds? Thousands?

And I remember the time when Eva Kiss was one of the most consistent and hard-working developers...

I don't think she got rich and lazy, but in my opinion, she experienced burnout and never recovered. When that spark is gone is tough to get it back, not to mention she might have writer's fatigue with the project, which is also not uncommon.

Eva gets the benefit of the doubt because she was very consistent with GGGB and pulled through to finish it even when it was obvious her heart wasn't in the project anymore. It's a fantastic achievement considering the percentage of completed games here. It's not looking good with ORS, though. It still feels like the story is barely out of the introductory phase.

25/04/2022 - Chapter 9 Remastered Final
10/11/2021 - Chapter 9 Final
05/06/2021 - Chapter 8 Final
05/04/2021 - Chapter 7 Revised Final
07/03/2021 - Chapter 7 Final
05/12/2020 - Chapter 6 Final
19/10/2020 - Chapter 5 Revised Final
10/09/2020 - Chapter 5 Final
26/07/2020 - Chapter 4 Final
12/06/2020 - Chapter 3 Final
06/05/2020 - Chapter 2 Final
06/04/2020 - Chapter 1 Final
01/01/2020 - ORS Announcement

Honestly, I'm skeptical we'll get to see this completed.

 

[reyir]

I don't think she got rich and lazy, but in my opinion, she experienced burnout and never recovered. When that spark is gone is tough to get it back, not to mention she might have writer's fatigue with the project, which is also not uncommon.

Eva gets the benefit of the doubt because she was very consistent with GGGB and pulled through to finish it even when it was obvious her heart wasn't in the project anymore. It's a fantastic achievement considering the percentage of completed games here. It's not looking good with ORS, though. It still feels like the story is barely out of the introductory phase.

25/04/2022 - Chapter 9 Remastered Final
10/11/2021 - Chapter 9 Final
05/06/2021 - Chapter 8 Final
05/04/2021 - Chapter 7 Revised Final
07/03/2021 - Chapter 7 Final
05/12/2020 - Chapter 6 Final
19/10/2020 - Chapter 5 Revised Final
10/09/2020 - Chapter 5 Final
26/07/2020 - Chapter 4 Final
12/06/2020 - Chapter 3 Final
06/05/2020 - Chapter 2 Final
06/04/2020 - Chapter 1 Final
01/01/2020 - ORS Announcement

Honestly, I'm skeptical we'll get to see this completed.

I think she really overshot this game, i mean GGGB only had one protagonist and we still cant unlock all of the scene with 3 playthrough, and this one had two protagonist, we can see that up until chapter 5, she can keep the pace of development that she do when developing GGGB, but after that the progress keep getting slower and slower because of the complexity of the game keep on increasing

And yes Eva got benefit of the doubt because of GGGB, i just hope she will find her rythm again like when she develop GGGB and not fall to the level of Lazy and milking Dev

 

[patachoucs]

Today on channel F95 : yet another game development becomes slower as the game progresses and becomes more complex.
Entitled pirates becomes angry about it and say Eva must be lazy and rich and doesn't care anymore. Nevermind the fact there are more routes with each chapters and the game is an anti-kinetic novel. THEY MUST BE RIGHT AND IT'S OUTRAGEOUS!!

More shocking details at 5.

 

[gayasfuck]

This have NTR or ugly bastards??

 

[BorgiaBou]

Today on channel F95 : yet another game development becomes slower as the game progresses and becomes more complex.
Entitled pirates becomes angry about it and say Eva must be lazy and rich and doesn't care anymore. Nevermind the fact there are more routes with each chapters and the game is an anti-kinetic novel. THEY MUST BE RIGHT AND IT'S OUTRAGEOUS!!

More shocking details at 5.

Wow you are very acute in your thoughts...

 

[MaliPizdek]

I would love if Ian could bring Cindy over to his flat while Perry was out, they start to have wild sex in his room while Perry comes home with Wade to play videogames they hear Cindy moaning...and Wade is like: oh damn!, Ian's got company i hear , the boy is slaying it lately huh? Is it that model girl Lena? and Perry is like yeah i think she is...
Wade: my man Ian, good for you you lucky SOB

 

[BloodyMares]

This have NTR or ugly bastards??

1) Yes
2) Bastards but not so much ugly

 

[dundun]

Ian + Jeremy + Alison (all three can already be on board with the idea, and that’s the only reason I could see a high five warranting being a part of an illustration)

Something interesting about this line work, the lines are in different color.

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we can see that up until chapter 5, she can keep the pace of development that she do when developing GGGB, but after that the progress keep getting slower and slower because of the complexity of the game keep on increasing

No. GGGB had about 7000 lines of code per update and it took a month. Chapters 2 to 5 took about 1.5 months and had around 10000 lines of code. Chapters 6 to 8 had about 20000 lines of code and took about 3 months. So she has been very consistant until chapter 9.
I mean, play through chapters 4 and 7. Can't you see the difference? Chapter 4 has Lena with Robert tree times and Ian one time, a masturbation scene, the pictures from Axel, a photo shoot and selfies from Alison and Louise. Chapter 7 has Ian with Alison, Cindy, Emma, Lena, Minerva, and Holly, Jeremy with Alison, some images from Cindy's photo shoot and some random porn images, Lena with Louise, Mike, Robert, masturbating, her life modelling, her dance video, her dream of Axel, some Stalkfap pictures and Ivy's game with scenes with Ivy, Jeremy and Louise.
An 'update' is not an 'update'.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Something interesting about this line work, the lines are in different color.

Haha, this is first rate detective work. That makes sense. So Ian on the left, Jeremy on the right, and *camera zooms down* Alison everywhere in between. (No, just kidding, it’s obviously Stan, the bouncer and Minerva.)

bro, humor needs to be understood but obviously it hurt u

Or the attempt at humor needs to be more funny. ‍ I mean, your “humor” consisted of seven words and a poop emoji, I think you’re overestimating yourself if you think there’s something in there people aren’t getting.

 

[BloodyMares]

No. GGGB had about 7000 lines of code per update and it took a month. Chapters 2 to 5 took about 1.5 months and had around 10000 lines of code. Chapters 6 to 8 had about 20000 lines of code and took about 3 months. So she has been very consistant until chapter 9.
I mean, play through chapters 4 and 7. Can't you see the difference? Chapter 4 has Lena with Robert tree times and Ian one time, a masturbation scene, the pictures from Axel, a photo shoot and selfies from Alison and Louise. Chapter 7 has Ian with Alison, Cindy, Emma, Lena, Minerva, and Holly, Jeremy with Alison, some images from Cindy's photo shoot and some random porn images, Lena with Louise, Mike, Robert, masturbating, her life modelling, her dance video, her dream of Axel, some Stalkfap pictures and Ivy's game with scenes with Ivy, Jeremy and Louise.
An 'update' is not an 'update'.

Exactly. And let's not forget that ORS tracks all timelines simultaneously because the plot doesn't wait. GGGB iirc had much shorter updates (2 - 4 scenes per update on average). And after major paths were introduced (Slut / Thug etc), there was one month for Good Ash update, one month for Slut Ash update, and one month for Thug Ash update. You had to have several saves for different paths just to get anything out of each update because it was unlikely that the featured content was with characters you personally were involved with. In ORS, we are almost guaranteed to have something with our preferred characters at least each 2 updates and not 3-4.

 

[reyir]

No. GGGB had about 7000 lines of code per update and it took a month. Chapters 2 to 5 took about 1.5 months and had around 10000 lines of code. Chapters 6 to 8 had about 20000 lines of code and took about 3 months. So she has been very consistant until chapter 9.

Oh okay i dont know about that... when we see this game still in the middle phase (If Eva really wanna finish this game with at least 20 chapter) man, i cannot fathom how complex this game gonna be in final phase... im currently choosing IT major in college, and not gonna lie, programming is A LOT harder than what we imagine, and honestly, many times i already questioning myself about choosing IT for my major thats why i kinda know how hard it is to develop ORS with this much complexity and Eva does almost everything by herself from story, art and code, it just hard to believe

 

[reyir]

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Fan Art Contest Winners!

The 5th anniversary contest is over and the winners have been decided! To pick them I added up all the votes from different entries that belonged to the same artist and here are the results:
1st Place: Dashole with 302 votes for his fabulous scenes depicting Lena and Stan being naughty (you can download all the high-res images on the set

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2nd Place: DH with 197 votes for his beautiful 3D renders of various characters, like Holly and Cindy.

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3rd Place: Razorer with 156 votes for his stylized renditions of Cindy and Ivy.

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And an extra one, my personal pick and one of my favourite entries, Succubus Lena by the Black Pharaoh.

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You can check out all the contest entries

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Did you guys enjoy this initiative? Would you like me to host another fan art contest in the future? Did you want to participate but didn't in the end? Let me know your thoughts down below!

My man Stan really living his best life in that first picture

 

[Deleted member 4635886]

Does anyone know when this gem of a game will be updated?

 

[daltrey]

Does anyone know when this gem of a game will be updated?

I'd say mid-August.

 

[Wallsfalldown]

I love when non-writers get really angsty about the time it takes to do pre-planning for a piece of writing. It's clear some of y'all struggled to do a two page essay in school.

 

[Night Hacker]

I love when non-writers get really angsty about the time it takes to do pre-planning for a piece of writing. It's clear some of y'all struggled to do a two page essay in school.

The writing is the hard part for me (trying my own novel out). Unlike a normal story, you have to take into account the many different paths a player can take then account for ALL of them. Then setting up the scenes alone takes time, and you have to account for every path, then the actual rendering is slow on top of it all. And then, when all this is done, you still have to program the game, and then once it is done, you need to actually TEST it to find bugs, spelling errors, problems with certain paths you forgot to account for, and if there are problems, you have to fix them and hope one of your testers didn't leak your test version.

Then you get to release it to people, often at no cost to them and listen to them complain about it and how long it took.

Been trying my hand at a visual novel and I have a new found respect for people who can write a good story, I find that more difficult than all the rest of it.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Emotional rollercoaster. I imagine it will be very amazing at first, but then Ian's patience will be tested, and he'd probably need a lot of Wits and Charisma to keep it up and prove to her that he's a better option than Wade or Axel.

Yes, in fact, I think in some ways it may be one of the most difficult paths from a writer's perspective. First of all, depending on how this relationship started, Ian may have fucked up almost his entire circle of friends. Even Lena would be outrageous if she knew what he had done. Second, that rollercoaster you described. If Ian has an organic relationship with Lena or Holly, with Cindy, even when they're having fun and being nice, it's more abrasive, Cindy likes it spicy and provocative. So this relationship will be as intense as possible and rollercoaster indeed.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Okay, guys, I want to translate Eva games into Russian, but I need to understand that someone needs it at all. Is it worth starting or is this effort in vain?

 

[BloodyMares]

Okay, guys, I want to translate Eva games into Russian, but I need to understand that someone needs it at all. Is it worth starting or is this effort in vain?

I'm not sure it's good for your health to attempt a translation of at this stage of development, while the scripts get updated all the time (mostly with bug fixes). It's a massive undertaking regardless, but with constant updates, you'd also have to check each new update for the changes in the early scripts, and if there were minor tweaks, you'd have to properly update your localization as well, just like I have to do for the walkthrough, and like JohnDupont does for his JDMOD. I was actually thinking about doing a translation for this game at one point, but I know it would be too much work for one person (even the walkthrough feels like it at times), especially if nobody's supporting you monetarily for it.

If you're not scared by these difficulties and are still committed to the idea, then maybe you could translate GGGB first to measure your ability to commit to something so big? At least you could work at your own pace and not have to worry about rewriting your translation, since the game is finished. I don't believe that game was localized properly (mostly machine translation).

If you want to focus on ORS, then let me discuss it with Eva. Our programmer proposed an easier way to implement multiple languages. If Eva greenlights it, then we can make it into an official localization, and i could provide the latest scripts so you won't have to manually check each script for changes in every release.

 

[CoalPhelps]

I'm not sure it's good for your health to attempt a translation of at this stage of development, while the scripts get updated all the time (mostly with bug fixes). It's a massive undertaking regardless, but with constant updates, you'd also have to check each new update for the changes in the early scripts, and if there were minor tweaks, you'd have to properly update your localization as well, just like I have to do for the walkthrough, and like JohnDupont does for his JDMOD. I was actually thinking about doing a translation for this game at one point, but I know it would be too much work for one person (even the walkthrough feels like it at times), especially if nobody's supporting you monetarily for it.

If you're not scared by these difficulties and are still committed to the idea, then maybe you could translate GGGB first to measure your ability to commit to something so big? At least you could work at your own pace and not have to worry about rewriting your translation, since the game is finished. I don't believe that game was localized properly (mostly machine translation).

If you want to focus on ORS, then let me discuss it with Eva. Our programmer proposed an easier way to implement multiple languages. If Eva greenlights it, then we can make it into an official localization, and i could provide the latest scripts so you won't have to manually check each script for changes in every release.

Well, yeah, I guess I should have been more specific. Yes, of course, at this point I'm only going to take on GGGB. My enthusiasm isn't enough to translate the same thing after rewritings like in chapter 9. I've already started translating Being a DIK and I realized that Ren'Py can be such a bitch, so I'd feel more comfortable working on something stable.