VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[KingNtr++]

Dead game 10 months since new update and ppl still supporting her and defend her miliking lmao. Updates cycle passed from 1-2 months to 3=4 to 10 months and counting. The miliking Is real and (sadly because It was great) this game Is dead

yep , some supporter is foolish .
i'm support her since GGGB ....
But now I feel that eva manages the development time. The past few months have been noticed to be spent mostly playing around and asking friends or other developers to fix their work for help periodically. until the moment eva starts to get serious about work Why not succeed? For example, "Your boss ordered the work to be completed within 4-5 months. But you started working really hard. in the past 2 months And the result was not smooth and lost a lot of credit.”

 

[jimul18]

A thought about the latest poll and the endless discussion about the "supporting/simping/milking" debate:

What is the actual downside of releasing the Ian part early?

- It would satisfy at least some of the people that are complaining about the long wait. After the release there would be less of that but still some debate if the update is good or not. However the latter can't be stopped anyway and those people are always going to complain.
- It might encourage some people to re-up their patronage who have been discouraged over the last couple of months.

- And for those who want a complete update with both the Ian and Lena part very little changes. They still have to wait. Probably a couple of months + a few weeks that the release of the Ian-part would take up (which as EK mentioned is mostly done anyway, it would just require some polish to make it playable in an Alpha state, although I would think that it could be released with the caveat that old saves won't work untill the full release).

Nothing changes for those who want to wait for the full release as long as they are disciplined enough to not play the "half-release", it might even result in a better experience the the Ian part could already be revised/improved through feedback.

 

[dolfe67]

A thought about the latest poll and the endless discussion about the "supporting/simping/milking" debate:

What is the actual downside of releasing the Ian part early?

- It would satisfy at least some of the people that are complaining about the long wait. After the release there would be less of that but still some debate if the update is good or not. However the latter can't be stopped anyway and those people are always going to complain.
- It might encourage some people to re-up their patronage who have been discouraged over the last couple of months.

- And for those who want a complete update with both the Ian and Lena part very little changes. They still have to wait. Probably a couple of months + a few weeks that the release of the Ian-part would take up (which as EK mentioned is mostly done anyway, it would just require some polish to make it playable in an Alpha state, although I would think that it could be released with the caveat that old saves won't work untill the full release).

Nothing changes for those who want to wait for the full release as long as they are disciplined enough to not play the "half-release", it might even result in a better experience the the Ian part could already be revised/improved through feedback.

The downside is if you follow the game (discord/forums) you have to unfollow it to avoid spoilers for a few months

 

[_Zebra_]

although I would think that it could be released with the caveat that old saves won't work untill the full release)

Why wouldn't old saves work? There are only 2 situations when an older save won't work.
1. A new chapter is released, you play the alpha version and save at the end. Time goes on, another chapter is released and you try to use your alpha save, without thinking that the final version might have changed something.
2. Let's say that you have a save for chapter 9, but Eva announces that she had to change something that happened in a previous chapter(ch7). In this case, the variables from your save file won't be compatible with the new ones, hence, old saves won't work.

So yeah, unless you try to use a pre-remastered save, your files should work.

Nothing changes for those who want to wait for the full release as long as they are disciplined enough to not play the "half-release", it might even result in a better experience the the Ian part could already be revised/improved through feedback.

Something does change. It's not a matter of discipline for those that don't want to play the first part. I am sure quite a few people would be capable of that. It's more a matter of discipline for everyone else, to not discuss about the new content. In the end, you need to choose: live under a rock until Lena part is release and avoid everything (patreon, discord, this thread) or play the new release.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what are the pros and cons of releasing Ians part first. The people have voted and unless Eva will say in the next progress update (those posts should be renamed from weekly into progress) that she's going to release it anyway, we won't see any new content in the near future.

 

[Deleted member 5223688]

Man, Eva really fucked up with that poll. Allowing a certain group of patreons (those that want to wait for both Ian's and Lena's POVs) to gatekeep content for the other one (those that want content asap) is one of the stupidest things I've seen. It's like a kindergarden level of what you should never, ever do as an author.

There is objectively no reason to do it, as people who don't want their content split for this one (and only one) particular update, could simply wait for the whole thing. If I was a patreon, and she decided to follow the results from that vote - I would unsub immediately while also saying "fuck you" to anyone who voted against the release.

There is one thing when you have to wait for something, because the author you are paying money to is taking his/hers time to do the job. It can be annoying, but you are dealing ONLY WITH THE PERSON YOU ARE PAYING MONEY TO. But being denied content/value for your money, because of other subscribers' decision, that you do not give a fuck about - is a completely different matter.

Seems like she's fucking up not just on the writing/project handling side, but also her business side. We'll see if there are some significant consequences if she decides to not release Ian's part separately, but fuck me if it's not a huge risk she took for no reason whatsoever.

 

[KingNtr++]

Let release chapter 10 in 2023 eva Good luck

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Dead game 10 months since new update and ppl still supporting her and defend her miliking lmao. Updates cycle passed from 1-2 months to 3=4 to 10 months and counting. The miliking Is real and (sadly because It was great) this game Is dead

Sooo when the next update comes out this game is a zombie?!?

Since each chapter makes the game more complex (more choices = more routes/possibilities/outcomes), the workload goes up. So the developer needs more time to finish. Alternatives being the chapters become shorter each time (not desirable) or Eva hires people to help with the game. That only works out for her if her patron numbers significantly go up (otherwise she loses money) and bears the risk they don't work well together.

 

[applesnacks1111]

Dead game 10 months since new update and ppl still supporting her and defend her miliking lmao. Updates cycle passed from 1-2 months to 3=4 to 10 months and counting. The miliking Is real and (sadly because It was great) this game Is dead

You're completely wrong and your inability to see that suggests you're trolling (in which case, nice), or *insert insult to intelligence here*.

Eva's already created a completed game. A completed game that's recognized as one of the best on this site, with some of the best characters, story, and art. She's pretty hardworking, diligent, and talented as hell. Is this me white knighting her? I don't know, I don't think so, you just have to recognize she's good at her job.

Development is a complicated beast, and if you expect it to be linear, prepare to be disappointed (like you currently are). Early chapters are easy - you develop 5 scenes, include a few choices that don't affect much, and everyone's happy. But late chapters are HARD. They're not linear, they're exponential in how the workload grows.

What I mean is, imagine it's now chapter 10, and Eva wants to create some content for 5 specific paths, plus some general content everyone sees. So chapter 10 requires SIX TIMES the work of chapter 1, which just had the one path to follow. So, Eva should actually take SIX TIMES as long to complete the update. That's not milking, that's math.

Naturally she won't take 6 times as long because she'll find ways to be efficient and each given path in chapter 10 won't be as long as the whole of chapter 1, but you get what I'm saying. The workload gets bigger and bigger as the paths grow and branch off.

There's really nothing to suggest that she's milking, since she's actively working on it. Also, how can the game be dead when she's updating her progress regularly?

I get people have been burned by developers before, but I see a game still being actively developed - it's just a problem of workload vs. single dev capacity.

 

[Hoey]

"It's been a year daddy"

 

[ArcherHades46]

However, what kind of discussion has been started here, guys, what is there about the announcement? When are we waiting for the version from Eva?

 

[JoJoPool]

Sooo when the next update comes out this game is a zombie?!?

Since each chapter makes the game more complex (more choices = more routes/possibilities/outcomes), the workload goes up. So the developer needs more time to finish. Alternatives being the chapters become shorter each time (not desirable) or Eva hires people to help with the game. That only works out for her if her patron numbers significantly go up (otherwise she loses money) and bears the risk they don't work well together.

A few said that she makes enough to hire 2 or 3 people for help so i doubt money is an issue... maybe she can't find someone good enough or she prefers to work alone, i don't know

 

[HolyMolly]

Guys I think it's time to make a petition for Good Girl Gone Bad 2.

Seriosuly the dev process was so much smoother because it was much more simple (in a good way) by focusing on 1 thing, doing it good and that's it. Updates were regular and frequent with great amount of content, no bs.

ORS has been a trainwreck, it's just trying to do too much of everything and I personnaly don't even think it's great by the end... it lacks the crazyness of GGGB and don't allow the player to fully immerse into 1 MC decisions etc + abysmal updates because it's probably a nightmare to progress all that extra complexity

I hope Eva keep making games but ngl ORS kinda sucks

 

[JoJoPool]

Guys I think it's time to make a petition for Good Girl Gone Bad 2.

Seriosuly the dev process was so much smoother because it was much more simple (in a good way) by focusing on 1 thing, doing it good and that's it. Updates were regular and frequent with great amount of content, no bs.

ORS has been a trainwreck, it's just trying to do too much of everything and I personnaly don't even think it's great by the end... it lacks the crazyness of GGGB and don't allow the player to fully immerse into 1 MC decisions etc + abysmal updates because it's probably a nightmare to progress all that extra complexity

I hope Eva keep making games but ngl ORS kinda sucks

I agree for the most part, if things don't get better i think it's best to abandon ORS (after Stan gets laid of course) and start a new much simpler game. But i rather it be a completely new and fresh game than it being GGGB 2

 

[Jugovic]

ICSTOR 2.0. y’all see

 

[scor099]

it all comes down to what happens after the release of chapter 10, I understand that Eva was feeling burnout a little and hit a wall but if the releases go back to every 2 or 3 months I'm ok with that.

 

[Naos]

I can't fathom people flaming the developer that it takes too much time to release updates. These people have no idea how much work it is to develop a game, specially when it is deep in development and it's a non-linear game, where you have to go through all code (horrible in itself) and control dozens of variables.

The dev is also writing and drawing, as far as I know, which are two things that take a lot of time to think through. All in all, there are lots of games that can be criticized in this regard. There are a lot more that can't. This is one of the former.

 

[The_Searcher]

I agree for the most part, if things don't get better i think it's best to abandon ORS (after Stan gets laid of course) and start a new much simpler game. But i rather it be a completely new and fresh game than it being GGGB 2

And with craziness please, that's one of the best and funny aspects of GGGB.

 

[pavlogrk]

ICSTOR 2.0. y’all see

you are mistaking Eva for L&P and Stopper dude !!
Reboot ur brain!!!!

 

[Canto Forte]

Everyone keeps asking for the same thing:
- We have seen LEna bang a number of guys, gamers still want LEna bangs.
- Jeremy bangs everything that moves, we got players still wanting to see him bang more.
Dev be like: been there, done that.
Is there anything exciting that you want
or simply more of the same?

yep , some supporter is foolish .
i'm support her since GGGB ....
But now I feel that eva manages the development time. The past few months have been noticed to be spent mostly playing around and asking friends or other developers to fix their work for help periodically. until the moment eva starts to get serious about work Why not succeed? For example, "Your boss ordered the work to be completed within 4-5 months. But you started working really hard. in the past 2 months And the result was not smooth and lost a lot of credit.”

You're completely wrong and your inability to see that suggests you're trolling (in which case, nice), or *insert insult to intelligence here*.

Eva's already created a completed game. A completed game that's recognized as one of the best on this site, with some of the best characters, story, and art. She's pretty hardworking, diligent, and talented as hell. Is this me white knighting her? I don't know, I don't think so, you just have to recognize she's good at her job.

Development is a complicated beast, and if you expect it to be linear, prepare to be disappointed (like you currently are). Early chapters are easy - you develop 5 scenes, include a few choices that don't affect much, and everyone's happy. But late chapters are HARD. They're not linear, they're exponential in how the workload grows.

What I mean is, imagine it's now chapter 10, and Eva wants to create some content for 5 specific paths, plus some general content everyone sees. So chapter 10 requires SIX TIMES the work of chapter 1, which just had the one path to follow. So, Eva should actually take SIX TIMES as long to complete the update. That's not milking, that's math.

Naturally she won't take 6 times as long because she'll find ways to be efficient and each given path in chapter 10 won't be as long as the whole of chapter 1, but you get what I'm saying. The workload gets bigger and bigger as the paths grow and branch off.

There's really nothing to suggest that she's milking, since she's actively working on it. Also, how can the game be dead when she's updating her progress regularly?

I get people have been burned by developers before, but I see a game still being actively developed - it's just a problem of workload vs. single dev capacity.

Guys I think it's time to make a petition for Good Girl Gone Bad 2.

Seriosuly the dev process was so much smoother because it was much more simple (in a good way) by focusing on 1 thing, doing it good and that's it. Updates were regular and frequent with great amount of content, no bs.

ORS has been a trainwreck, it's just trying to do too much of everything and I personnaly don't even think it's great by the end... it lacks the crazyness of GGGB and don't allow the player to fully immerse into 1 MC decisions etc + abysmal updates because it's probably a nightmare to progress all that extra complexity

I hope Eva keep making games but ngl ORS kinda sucks

it all comes down to what happens after the release of chapter 10, I understand that Eva was feeling burnout a little and hit a wall but if the releases go back to every 2 or 3 months I'm ok with that.

I can't fathom people flaming the developer that it takes too much time to release updates. These people have no idea how much work it is to develop a game, specially when it is deep in development and it's a non-linear game, where you have to go through all code (horrible in itself) and control dozens of variables.

The dev is also writing and drawing, as far as I know, which are two things that take a lot of time to think through. All in all, there are lots of games that can be criticized in this regard. There are a lot more that can't. This is one of the former.

Someone already said it: Lena has been in the hole the wholegame:
- assholes on the job shitting on her and asking her to bang them,
gating/jeaoperdising her work and income.
- assholes in her hobby, taking advantage and trying to get in her pants.
Those were her troubles all the time, now we are back into them,
neverending circle to put her down into the dirt and blackmail her into sex.

Is this game backed up into the paths already ended in sex and there is no
excitement anymore as everyone wants the same thing over and over:
Jeremy to bang/Lena to bang?

 

[aris666]

Guys I think it's time to make a petition for Good Girl Gone Bad 2.

Meh.. a lot of other simple female MC corruption games (Japanese). ORS is something a bit different at least (with two MCs)