VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Canto Forte]

That was the parallel of Lena and Jill having been with assholes and resisting them.
Like Alex, the water mellon guy is loaded and connected,
they are both in the ilk of Seymour and both can and would scheme/openly oppose
someone like Sey if he tried anything.

Jill and Lena both have choices of assholes who are rich and connected,
if they wanted a secure carefree life only catering to them being taken care of
and their boys getting their rocks off, money no object and protection from other asssholes.

axell,the most social one and connected

The girls could have a good life, Jill keeping her status quo, her water mellon guy
just a whack couple of dates guy who prances around as her BF, while she and Bells mock him,
MC can still just be a date or two for her if you do not want her,
while Lena you could essentially make her drop into any lap you want her to fall onto.

one of the best vn I've ever played. Looking forward to the new chapter

Gaming for the dual MC thrill? Wishing for more Lena good girl or bad girl paths?
Played Ian a good catch? Ian the Remy apprentice crass asshole bang and forget guy?
Trying to cater to the MCs as a couple and making their lives the best you can?
What is the deffining attraction in this?

 

[BloodyMares]

She absolutely didn't leave Axel because he was physically abusive, which was what someone else implied and it blatently false.

That's why I said "depending on your definition of abuse". Who ever said he was physically abusing her? He was abusing her mentally with his dickish attitude caused by jealousy and the need to be in control of everything. Just because Lena says "It's not a big deal" doesn't mean it's the truth if she's actually crying alone in some dark corner and vents about it to a complete stranger. When Cindy goes to cry due to her argument with Wade, then he's a terrible boyfriend, but it's okay that Axel did the same thing to Lena, more than once, making her feel miserable? Axel is a controlling, manipulative asshole, and Lena was facing that side of him constantly, only temporarily ignoring it when he was fucking her good, sending her in a better mood. Cheating is bad, but that alone is not enough to cut all ties to the point of closing all communication and moving away. Cheating was the final nail ON TOP of his controlling, manipulative, asshole, and sometimes even scary behavior in front of other people. The way he attacked Robert and almost attacked Ian, the way he tried to learn Lena's location from her parents, it's not something new to him that Lena's breakup did to him. That's simply who he is, who he was even while being together with Lena. And she was not blind to this, she just thought that positives could outweigh the negatives, that she could make it work. Same way Cindy is always trying to think that her relationship with Wade is not doomed, that she can do something to reignite the spark.

But then that story with Cherry happened and all that false hope vanished in an instant. The relationship with him was simply not worth fighting for, and that was the final push that Lena needed to finally free herself from that toxic dysfunctional relationship. His cheating with Cherry is not the reason behind the break up with him. It was an excuse.

 

[CoalPhelps]

I just replayed it... she didn't break up with him at that point, they just had a minor argument. According to Lena in this sequence she says "But it's nothing really serious", and then she leaves Ian and goes back to Axel who is waiting for her in a car. She broke up with Axel because of Cherry. Period. She says that she liked it rough with Axel. Period.

The point is, someone claimed that Axel was abusive to her, and that is quit simply not true. Yeah, they had minor relationship problems, who doesn't. but it wasn't enough for her to leave him and the rough sex was not a problem for her, SHE SAID SO!!! SHE SAID SHE LIKED THAT ABOUT HIM! What she didn't like was him FUCKING ANOTHER WOMAN, which makes sense, and that is why she left him. Period. She says so. I don't get how you totally ignore what the game actually says and insert your own ideas?!

She absolutely didn't leave Axel because he was physically abusive, which was what someone else implied and it blatently false. Maybe they had other normal, minor (according to Lena) problems as most relationships do, but she liked the rough sex, so it wasn't abuse and she left him because he cheated... that's what the game clearly states.

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With all due respect, this is complete bullshit. At the end of Chapter 5, if Lena confides in Ian, she talks about her relationship with Axel: "Jealousy, insecurities, unfair demands and expectations... At the beginning things were great, but as our relationship progressed they get more turbulent and, well... Toxic. And then I learned he had been cheating on me... That was the final nail in the coffin. It was horrible. Especially considering all he was demanding from me. All his trust issues... And it turned out he was the one not to be trusted."

You're referring to the Prologue, where Lena is still under abusive and still afraid of Axel (saying she doesn't know what she wants anymore). And most importantly, in the same scene in Chapter 5, she says that... broke up shortly after talking to Ian. Ta-dah! So much for a nothing serious, huh?

Lena was not physically but mentally abused because Axel suspected her of cheating at every turn and apparently forbade her much out of mistrust, quite possibly spying on her. These are not normal relationship problems at all, unless you consider it the norm because so many girls get into relationships with abusers. So obviously she was unhappy with the relationship even before the cheating and that was just the last straw, not the catalyst for the breakup. Lena was under tremendous pressure, but thought he would at least be true to his words. And when that turned out not to be the case, she realized that he was not the image she had fallen in love with.

And I find it interesting that you think Wade is a horrible sexist who mistreats Cindy by not wanting to go to a posh bar or club, and Axel is a good boy who only made innocent relationship mistakes, and that he was suspicious and controlling of her, well, that's just minor Potterian pranks.

Axel is a deeply insecure sociopathic boy who is always needing to assert himself, to be the center of attention and to know that he is loved and appreciated, but who himself is hardly capable of loving in the normal sense of the word. For him "love" consists in complete control over the actions of his partner, whom he believes he fully possesses.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Holy Shit, there are the wildest arguments going on in this comment section. That one guy is right. I guess it is what happens when there is no new content in about a year.

 

[CoalPhelps]

...but then Lena automatically began posting some crazier stuff...

What do you mean by "automatically?" You can choose the degree of Lena's devotion to Stalkfap. You can take Ivy's advice and post more and more lewd content, or you can keep posting tasteful nudes. Same with Seymour, by the way, the degree to which Lena is "devoted" to him and how she behaves on his shoots depends on the choises.

 

[CoalPhelps]

 

[Doppelgang]

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Also art

 

[RoboticCatDogHybrid]

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I see your a man of culture...

 

[Mr. Muscles]

What do you mean by "automatically?" You can choose the degree of Lena's devotion to Stalkfap. You can take Ivy's advice and post more and more lewd content, or you can keep posting tasteful nudes. Same with Seymour, by the way, the degree to which Lena is "devoted" to him and how she behaves on his shoots depends on the choises.

Regarding Stalkfap, she automatically picks the photos she wants to post at one point, at least that's what happened to me. It's one thing to have X and Y picture, it's another to post them. But I guess that's the way Eva decided to pull off these scenes. Now I know what I can change and how in my next playthrough. Kind of the same thing with Seymour, there's moments when the game just takes your hand off it based on previous choices in a particular moment, once again, it's how Eva chose to go ahead with things. I was already surprised at the start with the amount of agency this game has when compared to others, so I was even more surprised when the game assumed things for you. It's fine tho, it's how it is built. Now that I have a larger understanding of how the game works, I'll do what I intend the most in the future.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Only real debate that matters is if your a Tits or Ass guy? bros. Am i right, or am i right.

It's best when it's both, but I'm definitely an assman, haha.

 

[_Zebra_]

Regarding Stalkfap, she automatically picks the photos she wants to post at one point, at least that's what happened to me. It's one thing to have X and Y picture, it's another to post them. But I guess that's the way Eva decided to pull off these scenes. Now I know what I can change and how in my next playthrough. Kind of the same thing with Seymour, there's moments when the game just takes your hand off it based on previous choices in a particular moment, once again, it's how Eva chose to go ahead with things. I was already surprised at the start with the amount of agency this game has when compared to others, so I was even more surprised when the game assumed things for you. It's fine tho, it's how it is built. Now that I have a larger understanding of how the game works, I'll do what I intend the most in the future.

Using the butplug is another similar situation. You never get to pick if you want to explore things further or not. Also, you can't create a scenario in which Lena is more vanilla, she sees Ian as a potential long term partner so she refrains from showing a kinkier side until they are in a relationship. Sometimes girls do that, they don't want to put themself in a potential bad light. Oh, I barely met her and she already let's me sleep with her without a condom and I can also have her ass. She probably did this with a lot of guys. I will have my fun with her, but certainly she's not "wife material".

I have a play through where Ian was shy and Lena didn't push things in any way. They went on a few dates, they kissed, Ian got a bj from Lena when she visited his room and in ch7 (i think) they had sex for the first time ... without a condom. Another date and Lena goes: hey, do you want to try my ass. Now imagine how this scenario would play out if each sex scene would be placed in a separate file. You could just pick to show the scene from ch 3 or 4, sometime in chapter 7. The art would fit the scene better and probably the text would too. Of course, you will have to hide some things that maybe were already discussed. But in the same time, you would work less when you write the scenes found in ch5,6,7. There is no need to think, what if this is their first time, let me write a few lines for that in order to cover that scenario.

 

[BloodyMares]

Oh, I barely met her and she already let's me sleep with her without a condom and I can also have her ass. She probably did this with a lot of guys. I will have my fun with her, but certainly she's not "wife material".

She'd dodge a bullet if the guy with that mentality leaves her. One controlling asshole with insecurities was enough, no more, so better test his reaction right away. A girl is allowed to be experienced in sex and to have preferences and kinks. If the dude can't handle it, he can find girls that like to act demure. Emma is saying right away that she loves anal. Would my Ian still date her seriously? Absolutely, because she's a good friend and is fun to be around, and it's a very good start for a healthy relationship. Does it matter if she did it with a lot of guys? As long as she's clean and is not cheating during relationship, nope.

I have a play through where Ian was shy and Lena didn't push things in any way. They went on a few dates, they kissed, Ian got a bj from Lena when she visited his room and in ch7 (i think) they had sex for the first time ... without a condom.

Lena only needed the condoms because she wasn't on the pill. After Chapter 5 she started taking them, so there's no point for her to need condoms anymore. But you do have a point, Ian should still bring it up (if he doesn't) because he has no idea if she's on the pill or not.

 

[_Zebra_]

Lena only needed the condoms because she wasn't on the pill. After Chapter 5 she started taking them, so there's no point for her to need condoms anymore. But you do have a point, Ian should still bring it up (if he doesn't) because he has no idea if she's on the pill or not.

There still is a point, because a condom is not useful only to avoid a pregnancy. Until you get to know someone, if you value your health, you better use one. But let's say that by the time you get to chapter 7, Ian knows enough about Lena and Lena knows enough about Ian that it is not needed anymore. So I agree, Ian bringing it up just to make sure that there is no risk to have a child is enough.

She'd dodge a bullet if the guy with that mentality leaves her. One controlling asshole with insecurities was enough, no more, so better test his reaction right away. A girl is allowed to be experienced in sex and to have preferences and kinks. If the dude can't handle it, he can find girls that like to act demure. Emma is saying right away that she loves anal. Would my Ian still date her seriously? Absolutely, because she's a good friend and is fun to be around, and it's a very good start for a healthy relationship. Does it matter if she did it with a lot of guys? As long as she's clean and is not cheating during relationship, nope.

Man, I need to be more careful with what words I use to describe something, because you picked up exactly what was the least important. Mr Prime mentioned how "the game just takes your hand off it based on previous choices in a particular moment". I just wanted to offer another example. The discussion was more about how many scenarios you can create using the game choices.

Probably I should have not written "fun" in the paragraph that you selected, but even so, there are multiple ways in which you can think about it.

Is this girl clean? I don't know her, I don't know with how many people she's been with. Maybe she thinks she's clean, but if she let's everyone sleep with her without a condom, is there a way to know if that is actually true? Does she value her health at all? Does she care that she could get pregnant? Does she use any form of birth control? Maybe she is pregnant already and wants to find a dad. Does sex means anything to her or is it just physical? Maybe this is not the kind of person that I want to spend my life with. This are thoughts that can cross someone mind and are not "insecurities". Using the big head, instead of the small one, is not a bad thing. Maybe he is the one that dodged a bullet.

Can a girl have kinks and enjoy sex with multiple partners? Sure she can. Is a man, that had only two long term relationships his entire life, an insecure asshole for not viewing a women that slept with 50+ men "wife material"? No he is not. They are not compatible and that's it.

 

[Turret]

If you are into Alison, you might get that in Chapter 10. If you play all the cards right:
- miss out your first chance with Alison
- ask Jeremy for details
- go after her the second time (as in sleep with her, you'll need 1 will point)
- ask Jeremy for pictures (you'll get only one)
- try to max out the relationship with Alison(full love route)
- in chapter 7 I think, you can end up with this:

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- agree to have a threesome
Most likely it won't be a cuck scenario, but definitely you can view it as a hotwife/sharing scenario.

Because Jeremy is her Plan B to get laid, it's that simple. Like seriously, is everyone here a one-woman kind of man and would reject all the slutty girls if they have a crush on someone? If you have a crush on a girl and you don't know if she's also interested in you, and you're trying to gently probe her feelings but she's playing dumb, would you not bang the hot girl that has been hitting on you and is clear that all she wants is just sex and wouldn't demand relationship from you?

How is Jeremy a bull if he can't seduce any girl that isn't already interested in him? Louise is a desperate clingy easily-manipulated girl that seeks affection from anyone she picks as her "favorite person", be it Lena, Jeremy or whoever else. Alison, Lena, and Ivy are sll just using Jeremy for easy lay and see no value in him beside his dick. When he's trying to shoot his shot with Jessica, he gets rejected HARD because she had hundreds of Jeremys in her life and can see right through him for the self-centered desperate boy that he is, while Ian is charming enough to get her number by simply paying attention to her mood.

Women are people with agency, not a property of men that can be "stolen". Jeremy didn't give dating advice to Ian so he can be with her, Jeremy wanted Ian to fuck Alison so they could both share her, because having a threesome with another dude is his real goal. He's not a selfless wingman that would help Ian get settled for life, but he's wingman enough to get Ian laid. His advice DOES work if Ian LISTENS. Alison likes straightforward approach, so if you show her your interest, she forgets about Jeremy really fast, that is as long as you prove that you see her as something more than a convenient fuck-buddy.

The thing is that Alison can be several things in game. She can be a deeply loyal girlfriend (some members here seem to totally forget that all(!) Jeremy content can be stopped well before it happens or is talked about) or a loyal friend with benefits. She can also be a slutty, experiment-happy girlfriend (if we want that and AStech gave an example of how to do it), wihich would not be cuckolding, but hotwife sharing. And she can be a slutty friend with benefits.

As among others BloodyMares mentioned, no matter the path we take with Alison, she has deep feelings for Ian and prefers if their relationship transforms towards full couple. If Ian shows interest in deepening their relationship, even the "slutty" Alison variant shelves Jeremy real quick (outside some possible fun romps on the way, but that depends how Ian and Alison decide together). Jeremy is not the one she wants for longer, but he is a nice lay.
Considering her former boyfriend was a rivet in bed, it is no surprise that Alison is curious to experiment with new things.

 

[CoalPhelps]

I never said Axel was a good boy. The ONLY thing I stated was the reason why Lena left him was NOT over physical abuse. It was over Cherry (though I will admit there were probably other issues as has been pointed out). My ONLY real problem is people stating Axel physically abused her or whatever... mentally maybe, but I wasn't talking about t hat. The rough sex and her being submissive to him was the one aspect that she liked... and why it was difficult for her to leave him, being a submissive person with his mental abuse...

That's true, but the only one who said something about physical abuses here is Canto AI™ and no one pays attention to what they writes and... Well, I better shut up before I say something unnecessary and break forum rules, but I think you get the point.

That Lena has a BDSM kink is obvious and is emphasized even in the rather vanilla scenes with Ian. Lena likes it better when Ian shows the dominant and assertive side.

 

[okfairenough]

Is this game abandon?

 

[soprano31]

no,chapter 10 is coming soon!!

 

[Turret]

Can a girl have kinks and enjoy sex with multiple partners? Sure she can. Is a man, that had only two long term relationships his entire life, an insecure asshole for not viewing a women that slept with 50+ men not "wife material"? No he is not. They are not compatible and that's it.

I would not be so black and white on their general compability. The bed is part of the equation, not everything. There is the old bonmot about "Good guys need bad girls", but beyond that there are several variants which could still lead to happy, compatible couples.

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Is this game abandon?

Yes, this game is awesome.

 

[soprano31]

I would not be so black and white on their general compability. The bed is part of the equation, not everything. There is the old bonmot about "Good guys need bad girls", but beyond that there are several variants which could still lead to happy, compatible couples.

that's the hypocrisy in the world ,if a man has sex with different partners everyone immediately thinks he is great,a woman does the same,she is immediately called a slut