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I do have to say I absolutely hate the needless redesign of Billy and find his new look very unappealing. And I am surprised nobody brought it up sooner.
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i agree with you the original Billy was much better
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This is my only complaint about her writing, she only writes stereotypes for Black male characters.
Tyrone was a parody so that was easy to overlook, but now I just sigh.
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100% agree there. It really shows how she has no imagination in terms of constructing some characters. Like take for example the true fuckwit of a "bro" Jeremy. Now, Eva could have written him as a decent guy whose into MMA and wants give that a shot as he bartends yet has some relationship issues with Louise no doubt but at the same is having some doubts on the relationship but kinda wants it to work, mostly because of the sex. And at the same time maybe Alison is also kinda taking some interest into him and he is certainly interested but instead of fucking around he wants to see how things go with Louise first before everything. But instead, we got the prototypical Black guy who is a wannabe player that cheats on his girl and fucks around, doesn't own up to his own shit, etc etc. Which isn't fucking original at all nor even creative. Like sure, SOME parts of the story are pretty well done, yet honestly some of the characters are written like shit, or even have issues that are briefly brought up (Jeremy getting caught and mentions he should talk to Louise but never fucking does) but aren't even resolved or mentioned afterwards.
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When Robert of all people got more screen time, I started to think back to GGGB.
Then I realized that Ian is Dave but now the MC and the cracks started to make sense.
All the characters have an issue where they don't do enough out the orbit of the two leads.
Your Jeremy example is a good one, he is written so one note it's painful. He checks a box and that's it.
Now I'm sure folks will go "But it's a sex game", but the characters are a big part of the "brand" so it's kinda disappointing to see.
Lena has the worst prospects out of the two but remember that besides Eric (who you are already dating) and Dave (who already has a GF), Ashley had....her dad
Damn, I guess the honeymoon phase is over for me
One less stereotype. People should be thrilled.
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December 2022 or January 2023
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Your point of view is interesting and I would discuss it further, but then unfortunately our comments will be deleted, as it turns into an offtopic.
All I can say on this topic: moral support from friends if you are depressed is of course important and can help a person, but if a person doesn't want to help himself, then nothing will help him. I have a side pass with Lena being tolerant of Stan and trying to cheer him up with good advice, but he doesn't seem to listen.
The only thing he listened to if Lena roasted him when Stan was caught masturbating in her photo. After that, he didn't peek.
The scene when he spies on Lena certainly hints at Stan's mental disorders. It's all there: social phobia, extreme shyness, very low self-esteem, sexual frustration that encourages voyeurism, a phobia of pretty girls. Most likely he was bullied as a child and Stan never recovered from it.
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Yes! Why can't all the characters in be mature, monogamous, responsible, sensitive souls? I too am shocked about all the promiscuous fantasy sex in this promiscuous fantasy sex game!
I cannot accept that there is a guy cheating on his girlfriend. And he's black! Of course all the others guys can cheat - that's fine. For some reason. Apparently.
Say, why are you holding Jeremy to a different standard than Ian, Axel, Mike etc.?
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Don't indulge them. Some people on here are beyond silly. They complain that porn game characters that are created to fulfill certain character archetype/sexual fetish follow that archetype/fetish.
Yes, Jeremy is meant to be that guy that sleeps around. Yes, Axel is supposed to be "Mister steal your girl". Yes, Stan is supposed to be the weirdo, virgin loser who likes to watch you have sex.
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Because Jeremy is the worst written and managed. But by all means, try to make it out that the only reason I am complaining about Jeremy is that he is black. -Good job, good effort there kiddo- Can we get a big round of applause for his guy here folks?
Ian has some little to few hiccups and could do with some better writing I'll admit, Axel has issues as well (mainly that he is a possible rapist and is coincidentally involved with apparently everything), Mike has no issues other than if you let Lena chase after him, as to which is entirely optional and doesn't affect the story that much.
How Jeremy is the most flawed and gets the least amount of punishment compared to say Ian. Jeremy fucks around, get caught lying, and what are the consequences? Either you stay mum and have Lena tell him to talk it out with Louise or they break up. Now, does that talk ever happen or get mentioned? Not at all. It's glossed over in place of the imfamous drinking game and of course if we decide to not take part, of course Jeremy rather than play it safe and smart (drunk or buzzed) he decides to be the horn dog dumbass and sticks to the stereotypical black guy player kink in all of porn.
Ian on the other hand: If you just so happen to kiss Holly while also being interested in Lena, oh yeah Lena grills you and goes overtop with her rage. Chase after Cindy and get caught by your "bro" Jeremy? Oh yeah the dumbass has the audacity to say "we need to come clean to Wade" if he too just so happens to still be with Louise. Like excuse me hypocrite who is fucking Alison and is still trying to hook up with Ivy while you still kinda in a relationship with another girl...
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Too late, already did. And to be fair, some arch types can be decent, yet at the same time we ALREADY had theses to a degree with her first game. Adding a variety or atleast some measure of originality can actually do wonders. But to have every game have the same arch type, over and over again, while maintaining the constant porn portrayal of certain things isn't really all that creative.
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Archetypes exist for a reason, you can't reinvent the wheel every time
SerHawkes
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You can though, in place of some original creativity.
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Nah, you just don't like his archetype. I for example dislike Stan a lot. You can't change archetypes, the whole point of them is that the characters follow a certain model.
You are also comparing Jeremy, an NPC, to Ian, an actual playable character. Ian is a blank slate on which you can project different characteristics, hence the whole point system with Lust/Love and Charisma/Intellect or whatever. Ian goes through a bunch of situations where you have to make choices for him and decide what to do.
Jeremy on the other hand is an archetype and an NPC. He just follows a set "motion".